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The god-tiers of Hoyoverse are currently rated at 1-B via scaling to the Imaginary Tree, which is the origin of everything, stores everything (particularly, it stores everything as if it were game data), is supposedly akin to a bulk neutral hyperspace, contains infinite 11-D multiverses, and would logically contain an uncountable amount of bubble worlds since it runs on MWI. However, none of these are valid evidence for a higher dimensional tier at all, and I will explain why each of these are invalid evidence.
First of all, neither being the "origin" of something nor "storing" something (even an infinite amount of it) indicates a higher dimensional tier. This is pretty obvious.
Now on to the seemingly-stronger evidence...
The imaginary tree stores everything as game data
The Imaginary Tree is stated to store everything as if it were game data. However, this doesn't prove any sort of quantitative superiority (nor does it prove qualitative superiority, mind you). A game server doesn't have uncountably infinite quantitative superiority over its game data, but it does have a great deal of control over its game data (basically hax). Likewise, the Imaginary Tree doesn't necessarily have uncountably infinite quantitative superiority over the bubble worlds it contains, it simply has a great deal of control/hax over those bubble worlds. Note that while a data/server analogy could prove R>F-like relationships or even straight-up R>F, the analogy in Honkai Impact simply doesn't go that far. The relationship between the Imaginary Tree and its 11D worlds is more similar to the relationship between Flowey and the timelines he controls or between Monika and the timeline she controls than some sort of uncountably infinite quantitative superiority.
The bulk/hyperspace argument
It is also claimed that the Imaginary Tree acts as a bulk neutral hyperspace, containing infinite 11-D multiverses (both of these statements work hand-in-hand, so I can address both at once). However, the former is never proven and does not follow from the latter. All that we know is that the Imaginary Tree contains an infinite multiverse of 11-D bubble worlds. The issue is that we already know that containing an infinite amount of x-dimensional worlds and being larger than it does not indicate n+1-dimensionality. Just because the Imaginary Tree contains infinite 11-D multiverses doesn't mean that it is 1-B
Even if one were to argue that the Imaginary Tree must be +1 dimensional tier above the 11-D multiverses it contains because it encompasses a collection of them that are separated by a "significant distance", this still isn't a valid justification. Here in this image one can see that it's quite possible for multiple lengths/intervals, each separated by a "significant distance" to be "encompassed" by a length/interval of equal length/cardinality; that is, without any need for higher infinities or extra dimensions. Here, the infinite lengths/cardinalities [0, ω] and [2ω, 3ω] are both separated by an significant distance and are "encompassed" by the interval [-ω, 3ω+1]. No higher cardinalities or extra dimensions are necessary. Sure, this image only contains a finite number of infinite intervals/lengths, but you could repeat this an infinite number of times without the need for higher infinities or extra dimensions. For example, the interval [-ω^2, ω^2] "encompasses" all of the intervals (ω*n, ω*n+1) where n is an even number. It "encompasses" an infinite number of infinitely long lengths/intervals that are each separated by a "significant" infinite length/interval, yet no higher cardinalitities or extra dimensions are necessary.
The MWI argument
Finally, it is claimed that Honkai runs on MWI, so there would be an uncountably infinite amount of bubble worlds. While I do agree that MWI would probably logically result in there being uncountably many worlds, we simply don't have any proof that Honkai runs on MWI to begin with. The writer of the CRT claims that they provided proof for MWI in this thread, but neither MWI nor the many worlds interpretation are even mentioned in that thread.
Going back to the Part 2 thread, the writer claims that this scan proves that Honkai operates under MWI, but all that does is prove that there are infinite possibilities that sprout from each world. That's it. This doesn't prove MWI because MWI isn't just "the theory that there are infinite branching worlds," it's a theory based off a very specific, particular interpretation of quantum mechanics that also assumes that the wave function doesn't collapse and that all possible quantum states are actually real. In short, the existence of "infinite worlds" doesn't prove MWI, so we shouldn't assume Honkai actually has MWI merely based on statements confirming that it has infinite worlds.
Conclusion
As a result, all of the god tiers that currently scale to 1-B should be downgraded to High 1-C (11-D).
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:
First of all, neither being the "origin" of something nor "storing" something (even an infinite amount of it) indicates a higher dimensional tier. This is pretty obvious.
Now on to the seemingly-stronger evidence...
The imaginary tree stores everything as game data
The Imaginary Tree is stated to store everything as if it were game data. However, this doesn't prove any sort of quantitative superiority (nor does it prove qualitative superiority, mind you). A game server doesn't have uncountably infinite quantitative superiority over its game data, but it does have a great deal of control over its game data (basically hax). Likewise, the Imaginary Tree doesn't necessarily have uncountably infinite quantitative superiority over the bubble worlds it contains, it simply has a great deal of control/hax over those bubble worlds. Note that while a data/server analogy could prove R>F-like relationships or even straight-up R>F, the analogy in Honkai Impact simply doesn't go that far. The relationship between the Imaginary Tree and its 11D worlds is more similar to the relationship between Flowey and the timelines he controls or between Monika and the timeline she controls than some sort of uncountably infinite quantitative superiority.
The bulk/hyperspace argument
It is also claimed that the Imaginary Tree acts as a bulk neutral hyperspace, containing infinite 11-D multiverses (both of these statements work hand-in-hand, so I can address both at once). However, the former is never proven and does not follow from the latter. All that we know is that the Imaginary Tree contains an infinite multiverse of 11-D bubble worlds. The issue is that we already know that containing an infinite amount of x-dimensional worlds and being larger than it does not indicate n+1-dimensionality. Just because the Imaginary Tree contains infinite 11-D multiverses doesn't mean that it is 1-B
Even if one were to argue that the Imaginary Tree must be +1 dimensional tier above the 11-D multiverses it contains because it encompasses a collection of them that are separated by a "significant distance", this still isn't a valid justification. Here in this image one can see that it's quite possible for multiple lengths/intervals, each separated by a "significant distance" to be "encompassed" by a length/interval of equal length/cardinality; that is, without any need for higher infinities or extra dimensions. Here, the infinite lengths/cardinalities [0, ω] and [2ω, 3ω] are both separated by an significant distance and are "encompassed" by the interval [-ω, 3ω+1]. No higher cardinalities or extra dimensions are necessary. Sure, this image only contains a finite number of infinite intervals/lengths, but you could repeat this an infinite number of times without the need for higher infinities or extra dimensions. For example, the interval [-ω^2, ω^2] "encompasses" all of the intervals (ω*n, ω*n+1) where n is an even number. It "encompasses" an infinite number of infinitely long lengths/intervals that are each separated by a "significant" infinite length/interval, yet no higher cardinalitities or extra dimensions are necessary.
The MWI argument
Finally, it is claimed that Honkai runs on MWI, so there would be an uncountably infinite amount of bubble worlds. While I do agree that MWI would probably logically result in there being uncountably many worlds, we simply don't have any proof that Honkai runs on MWI to begin with. The writer of the CRT claims that they provided proof for MWI in this thread, but neither MWI nor the many worlds interpretation are even mentioned in that thread.
Going back to the Part 2 thread, the writer claims that this scan proves that Honkai operates under MWI, but all that does is prove that there are infinite possibilities that sprout from each world. That's it. This doesn't prove MWI because MWI isn't just "the theory that there are infinite branching worlds," it's a theory based off a very specific, particular interpretation of quantum mechanics that also assumes that the wave function doesn't collapse and that all possible quantum states are actually real. In short, the existence of "infinite worlds" doesn't prove MWI, so we shouldn't assume Honkai actually has MWI merely based on statements confirming that it has infinite worlds.
Conclusion
As a result, all of the god tiers that currently scale to 1-B should be downgraded to High 1-C (11-D).
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:
