Arifureta: 5D range (✔)

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Related threads: Nine realms(2-A)/Smurf

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The 9 realms:

Spoiler: Multiverse

The realms are nine different universes:

「……Don’t perceive what we called “other world” at the level of a “single planet”. Perceive it wider as a “single universe”, huh. Well, certainly that tracks. Even the desert world has outer space outside the planet and also other planets. Perhaps there is also planet with abundant nature and life somewhere in that vast universe.」

What Hajime and others vaguely called “other world” wasn’t a “different planet” that existed inside the same universe by all means. The universe itself was different from their universe, and the planet that they knew there was nothing more than a single planet inside that different universe.

Hajime once more spoke of the great premise that he had to base his perception on while tossing the tablet in his hand on the desk. He joined his hands behind his head and leaned back deeply on his chair. He stared at the empty space in order to sort his thinking.

「In other words, the “nine other worlds”, should be called as “nine other universes” to be more accurate……」Ch 470

Each realm has a random time flow:

「……Hajime, the time flow of the machine world is also out of sync?」

「Yeah, apparently so.」

「Previously, there hath not be any omen of that correct?」

「That’s right.」

「Five years you said, so basically the flow of time here became the same like the star spirit world huh?」

「That’s not it, Ryuu-kun. Nagumo-kun contacted here a week ago. And, there wasn’t any problem at that time. In other words──」

「Earth’s one week became five years in the machine world you mean? In this one week, out of nowhere.」

Yuuka’s words made Atsushi and others to understand the situation too. The difference of time was too radical that their faces were convulsing. Ch 505

『Eh? Your last call……it was when the Dragon Tree was revived right?』

「Right.」

『Then──it was around three months ago right?』

「……」

Hajime closed his eyes. The crease on his forehead deepened.

It wasn’t as bad as the machine world. But, time difference was also forming in the sky dragon world. Ch 505

According to them, there was no abnormality with Tortus and the star spirit world. However, apparently there was a change with the fairy world and the desert world.

「……Hajime, the fairy world’s time also turned strange. But it’s the reverse. They said that not even a day has passed since Hajime called there a week ago.」

「Papa! The time also shortened at Ku-chan’s place nano! We talked the day before this trip’s departure but, she said that only around two hours has passed since then!」

「Just in case, I also did my own checking but it looks like there’s no mistake.」

It seemed during the call Remia also checked with Lilin who was beside Koone at that time.

Hajime massaged his forehead with his fingertip as though enduring a headache from hearing their report.

「I don’t get the pattern at all.」Ch 505

Which mean that the nine universes are separated spatially and temporally.

The interval:

Spoiler: Sepration

――Fall, to the interval of the worlds

The moment that sentence resounded, the space behind Shia twisted crazily.

「Wha-, this is-」

Shia immediately attempted to retreat from that place, but she was pulled in by a tremendous power and she stumbled midair.

When she looked across her shoulder, over there the twisted space and whirling darkness were……

「Don’t tell me, a gravitational field!?」

A power greatly resembling that which frequently used by the vampire princess she was so close it caught Shia and wouldn’t let go.

She desperately stood her ground using the foothold of the “Air Force”, but the twisted space and whirling darkness expanded in proportion of her effort. It was trying to envelop Shia in spherical shape.

It covered her above, spread below her too, and narrowed in from left and right.

In that situation she already had no other choice but to leap forward, however, at this point the after-effect of Level X worked against her. She could only reinforce herself until Level V, with that she was unable to get away from the gravitational field!

「Nununu-, this is a biiit bad!! Or rather, interval of worlds you said!?」

In order to recover even by a bit more, she summoned recovery medicine from her treasure warehouse and caught it in her mouth. She crunched the rim and gulped down the content while yelling. In the end, was the star tree Lutria answering her, or perhaps it was just a one-sided proclamation?

――To somewhere that is not here. Simply, because you shouldn’t exist in this world.

「That’s unreasonable! Even I didn’t come here because I want you know!? Where are you planning to send me!? At least please make it a world I can survive in you know!?」

The interval of worlds, she could only feel uneasy hearing those words. It would still be better if it was another world. But, if it was a place just like the words meant…… ch 337

It's the border that separate the realms:

Tio pressed her hands in prayer inside her heart. If Shia was sent into another world accidentally because the border that separated the worlds were shaking or something, then that was still alright. Ch 336

It's the partition of the world:

According to them, it wasn’t just limited to wind, apparently existences who possessed nature divinity of water or light were also relatively easy to summon although not as easy as the hero as long as there was some kind of connection formed even through the partition of the world. Especially divinity with strong connection with “World Tree’s Branch”.

It's the gap between worlds:

Well, setting that aside……Hajime ignored Kousuke’s blank stare.

「I often mentioned distance when talking about the necessary magic power requirement for teleporting, but to be more accurate, the required amount is actually in proportion to the strength of the “world’s gap”. The physical distance doesn’t really matter.」

「In other words, the gap between Tortus and this world is thinner than with the desert world?」Ch 378

By strength he mean size, and by "teleporting" he's talking about portals

「With my remaining magic power――the energy can only open the path to other world for five seconds. The older kids should carry the others as many as they can. If they don’t hurry when the gate is opened, they’ll be left behind.」Ch 378

He pulled the Compass of Eternal Paths out of his pocket. Unlike his Gate Keys, which could be used to open portals to the respective keyholes they connected to, the Crystal Key did exactly what its concept magic had designed it for. It opened a door leading to the user’s desired destination. But in order to do that, the user needed to have an accurate mental image of their destination, as well as a good grasp of the physical or metaphysical distance to it. But that meant so long as Hajime had the compass as well, he could have the key take him anywhere. Vol 10 p242

Spoiler: Time synch

They can synchronize time through connection like Magic Phones or gates.

Hajime also activated his communication device. It made a noise. He glanced aside and met the gazes of Yue and others. It looked like it was the same with them. Apparently the call was getting harder to connect.

He sent unlimited magic power to Yue and others through artifacts. That act was like boosting the signal’s strength if this was a normal telephone call.

The noise cut off. There was silent for a while before finally the call connected to the call receiver.

『This is Amanogawa. Is this Nagumo?』

「Yeah. There’s emergency.」

Hajime felt just a bit relieved that the call was connected safely. It looked like Yue and others had connected properly too.

『Emergency? What happened?』

「Before that I want to check. How much time has passed since the last time I called?」Ch 505

『……Is this too the effect of we reviving the “World Tree Branches”?』

「I wonder about that. It looks like there’s also variation in the speed of the time difference. There isn’t enough data.」

『I see……what now? Before this I planned to stay here until we meet up but』

「No, don’t wait for us and go to the hell world. The hell world is──」

「Hajime-kun! I’ve checked! It looks like there isn’t any change in the hell world!」

Kaori had just returned from “Miniature Garden” and she reported in respond to Hajime’s words. Hajime nodded to her and thanked with his eyes.

「It looks like there’s no problem there right now but we still don’t know the cause of this, so just in case I want you to connect it with earth using Fary Ring and World Door’s orb.」

『Got it. I’ll prioritize doing that. Should I leave immediately? If possible I want to say farewell to the people who’ve helped me in this world first, and there’re also several things I want to take care……』

「Then you can leave after doing those. I’ll tell the demons to observe round the clock. ……Well, that world is really close to earth that you can connect even through things like “water” or “mirror”. This might be just a needless fear.」

『Aa, now that you mention it. Perhaps that’s the reason there isn’t any time difference there?』Ch 505

「I see. Those guys’ arrival might have influenced the “wall” between worlds and created the time difference huh.」Ch 492

It's clear from this that the interval encompasses and separate the realms space-time.

Spoiler: Realm travel

The elements:

「Then, perhaps it’s a god in savior-san’s world? There is a strong and pretty presence of wind around you.」

「Yep yep! You see, mister. The wind is connected anywhere in the world. Surely that god too marked you mister so they can sense you wherever you are.」

「You are connected to that god by wind after all! And they are also a god, so I think it will be easy for them to come!」

According to them, it wasn’t just limited to wind, apparently existences who possessed nature divinity of water or light were also relatively easy to summon although not as easy as the hero as long as there was some kind of connection formed even through the partition of the world. Especially divinity with strong connection with “World Tree’s Branch”.

「The gap of “hell” and “this world” is wavering. Just now, I said that they could not cross the gap of worlds without the “mirror gate” but……now is different. In this time when this gap is wavering, if there is a medium that can easily connect the interval, they will be able to descend to “this world” with a strong body maintaining their existence.」

For example, a mirror. A mirror that reflected another world, especially when there was an opposite mirror, the gap of worlds could be shaken just with that.

For example, a thick mist. A heavy mist that shut the field of vision where it was impossible to look even an inch ahead, it could also shake the spot of “this world” itself.

And then, water.

The world was connected by water. Water was a natural “gate” that crossed every world.

The hero:

When the world’s balance was starting to go out of order due to internal or external calamity or due to conflict and the like among the lives of that world, the “hero” would shoulder the role of balancer as the hands and feet of the avatar.

That was why, when the avatar sought help and carried out a summoning, it would definitely get connected to the hero. Also, it was because the hero was an existence with the quality that the World Tree recognized, the hero was able to pass through the gap between worlds. Though as the side effect of that, when a hole was drilled open in the gap between worlds, most of the time it would also get connected to the hero. Ch 386

So traveling the realm require manipulating the interval.

Spoiler: Time travel

The gap between dimensions(realms) is a dimensio beyond space-time

This abandoned capital didn’t actually exist anywhere within the real world. It had once stood where the sea they’d come from was, but the seal had transported it into a gap between dimensions. Basically, this whole space was a city-sized Treasure Trove.

And because the whale was also the product of that ancient civilization, it too possessed the power to transcend space and time. However, its power had been greatly weakened, so it could only transport people here once, and only people who visited the particular stretch of sea the capital had once been on. Meaning this was the only chance anyone would ever have to repair this seal. Restoration magic wouldn’t be enough to do it because a lot of the damage to the seal was too old to be realistically recovered. It would take more mana than anyone in the world possessed. Which was why the whale had needed to bring in people who could analyze the seal and rebuild it from the ground up, namely Synergists who could use creation magic. Not only that, Synergists with more skill and mana than either Hajime or Oscar possessed individually.

“So it brought you and Oscar-oniisan together even though you’re from different times, Daddy! It made a miracle!” p259

and could be used to access all the realms at any period in time.

While they’d been traveling to Hajime, it had told them the gist of the situation. Apparently, the whale was the guardian of this destroyed city. Long ago, this city had been brought to ruin by the same monsters that were flooding out of the castle. Those monsters had actually been created by human hands, and the strongest of them made the nigh-immortal Hell Eater Hajime and the others had just recently fought look cute.

But, as it always went in stories like this, the people had been unable to control the monsters they’d created, and brought their empire to ruin. However, they’d at least had the tenacity and the good sense to seal away the monsters they’d created. But to do so, they’d needed to use the whale as a cornerstone.

Now, centuries or perhaps millennia later, the seal had been weakened to the point where it was nearly gone. If the lynchpin of the seal, the tower that the whale was fused with, broke, then the ancient evil horrors would regain their full strength and would start terrorizing people across all worlds and all times. p259

Again th interval could access all the realms at any point in time meaning it encompasses their space-time.

BTW, The Spirit Whale used mist to teleport them to this city.

“It’s strange... I can sense mana from everything around us, both the fog and the water.”

“Hajime-san, I think we’ll be okay! I’m not seeing any future where we die, at least!”

Hajime shot Yue a glance. Though he said nothing, it was a trivial task for her to read his thoughts, and she quickly created a teleportation portal to let everyone escape. But before she could send anyone through—

“Daddy! He’s calling for us! He wants us to save him!”

“Wh-What?”

Unfortunately, there wasn’t enough time to process that or ask Myu what she meant. Owooooooooooooooooooooo!The creature let out a howl. It wasn’t a threatening sound, though. In fact, it almost sounded melodic. A second later, Hajime and the others were surrounded by light, and their consciousness began to fade.

“Shi—” Yue shouted, panicking. The portal she’d created scattered to the four winds. SS Volume p215

Wiki standards:

It should be recognized that travel between universes is not feasible unless through the use of a portal or similar unusual mechanisms. This is because it should be impossible for two distinct universes to be connected by a path that only goes through regular 3 dimensional space. Universes must be separated by something other than 3 dimensional distance or physical barriers, otherwise they would be considered to both be part of one large universe for our tiering purposes.

The most typical example is the presence of a higher dimensional space serving as a separator. In other words, two separate universes coexist in a four dimensional or even higher dimensional space, occupying different position along some additional dimensional axis. Therefore, in order to travel between such universes, the movement must be through the higher dimensional space between them. To summarize, two realms are separated through a higher dimension space if

1. A larger space encompasses all the universes or space-times
2. This space is of a higher dimensional nature.

Conclusion:
The interval is the 5th dimension and everyone/everything that scale to it will get 5D range including mana from the smurf thread above. (There is also this statment about gates being connected to an extra dimendional space)

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Agree: @Astral_Trinity439 ,@Lloydblitzed ,@Digital_Franz ,@Community_Gamer ,@ActuallySpaceMan42 ,@Vietthai96 ,@Elizhaa

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Noneless21]

Did you seriously made another 5D thread even though your previous thread got rejected

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Did you seriously made another 5D thread even though your previous thread got rejected

Not even a minute has passed

 

[Community_Gamer]

Did you seriously made another 5D thread even though your previous thread got rejected

lmao

 

[Noneless21]

Not even a minute has passed

yeah, and people shared this thread because you're being an arsehole didn't even tried to change the arguments and just steamroll it

 

[Robo432343]

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Honestly, I don't see anything worth 5D here.

The interval is the 5th dimension and everyone/everything that scale to it will get 5D range including mana from the smurf thread

TBH it being the 5th dimension separating space-time continuities wouldn't auto make it Low 1-C (5-D). You'll need it to be infinite itself, or alternatively, there would need to be an infinite gap between realms. But that's not the case here since between some words, the gap is as thin as a desert.

Well, setting that aside……Hajime ignored Kousuke’s blank stare.

「I often mentioned distance when talking about the necessary magic power requirement for teleporting, but to be more accurate, the required amount is actually in proportion to the strength of the “world’s gap”. The physical distance doesn’t really matter.」

「In other words, the gap between Tortus and this world is thinner than with the desert world?」Ch 378

This is essentially because anything below Infinite space separating continuums would just be not significant enough to warrant an actual Low 1-C.

To elaborate, a structure larger than 2-A meets the requirements for dimensional superiority over them if it either explicitly mentions an uncountably infinite number of universes or has portrayals/statements of being larger than 2-A structures to the point that even infinite multipliers on top of the size of that structure are of no relevance to it. Multiversal structures past Low 2-C frequently have a distance of unknown length along a 5th dimensional axis separating them. That isn't automatically Low 1-C, as for Low 1-C the distance must be known to be of non-insignificant size.

I remember there being a Chinese verse (forgot the name) where the 5th dimension separating continuums was infinite in size and was thus rated as Low 1-C. Don't know if that tiering was old or per the current standards, but still, that would be my base example.

Edit: I binged your old thread just in case there were any relevant arguments and this was what I came across:

I’ll turn this thing into a luxury cruise ship. It won’t be a sad battleship anymore. But to be the world’s greatest passenger ship to go to adventure through the endless space toward the unknown worlds. A ship that can bring anyone and anything on board of it.」Ch 381

However, given the staff (retired) translation said it was the "Infinite Universe", I wouldn't be so sure to conclude that the "infinite-ness" here is referring to the sea of dimensions/interval, and not some random universe/world itself among many unknown worlds.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

TBH it being the 5th dimension separating space-time continuities wouldn't auto make it Low 1-C (5-D). You'll need it to be infinite itself, or alternatively, there would need to be an infinite gap between realms.

Let me make this clear I'm not looking for L1-C.

The infinite size is necessary only for L1-C, but separating 4D realms is enough for 5D.

It should be recognized that travel between universes is not feasible unless through the use of a portal or similar unusual mechanisms. This is because it should be impossible for two distinct universes to be connected by a path that only goes through regular 3 dimensional space. Universes must be separated by something other than 3 dimensional distance or physical barriers, otherwise they would be considered to both be part of one large universe for our tiering purposes.

The most typical example is the presence of a higher dimensional space serving as a separator. In other words, two separate universes coexist in a four dimensional or even higher dimensional space, occupying different position along some additional dimensional axis. Therefore, in order to travel between such universes, the movement must be through the higher dimensional space between them. To summarize, two realms are separated through a higher dimension space if

1. A larger space encompasses all the universes or space-times
2. This space is of a higher dimensional nature.

But that's not the case here since between some words, the gap is as thin as a desert.

Eh no

The "desert world" is a different universe with its main planet losing its lifeforce and flora which led to it becoming deserted. It's another universe. (Check the 1st scan under Multiverse)

Now, when they say "the gap between Tortus(universe) and this world(universe) is thinner than with desert world(universe)" they mean it will take less energy to travel to Tortus than Desert world, because the gap varies in size between realms.

This is essentially because anything below Infinite space separating continuums would just be not significant enough to warrant an actual Low 1-C.

Again ths is a 5D upgrade

I remember there being a Chinese verse (forgot the name) where the 5th dimension separating continuums was infinite in size and was thus rated as Low 1-C. Don't know if that tiering was old or per the current standards, but still, that would be my base example.

Edit: I binged your old thread just in case there were any relevant arguments and this was what I came across:
However, given the staff (retired) translation said it was the "Infinite Universe", I wouldn't be so sure to conclude that the "infinite-ness" here is referring to the sea of dimensions/interval, and not some random universe/world itself among many unknown worlds.

It refering to the Sea of dimension, which encompass the nine realms and separate them through the intetvals, and it coud even be a space-time.

But yeah, just ignore that and only focus on the interval.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

The infinite size is necessary only for L1-C, but separating 4D realms is enough for 5D.

Hmm, I suppose if it's Extra-dimensional range (5-D) you're looking for, that could work.

Eh no

The "desert world" is a different universe with its main planet losing its flora and becoming deserted after losing its lifeforce. It's another universe. (Check the 1st scan under Multiverse)

Now, when they say "the gap between Tortus(universe) and this world(universe) is thinner than with desert world(universe)" they mean it will take less energy to travel to Tortus than Desert world, because the gap varies in size between realms.

Ah, I see, my bad then. I suppose there's no anti-feat present then, at least.

Again ths is a 5D upgrade

To be fair, 5D 'usually' means Low 1-C in discussion (even though it isn't necessarily), so a clarification that you aren't aiming for Low 1-C being there in the OP would be better.

Well, in any case, I could see Extra-dimensional as a range rating, yes, if that was what you were aiming for in being 5-D.

 

[Community_Gamer]

I'm personally not sure why this is even particularly relevant make a thread for; when the cosmology isn't going to be thoroughly fleshed out until the LN volumes release and no characters in the verse remotely scale to cosmology as far as I'm aware.

I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do I'm just kinda lost in the purpose besides doing just because we can.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I'm personally not sure why this is even particularly relevant make a thread for; when the cosmology isn't going to be thoroughly fleshed out until the LN volumes release and no characters in the verse remotely scale to cosmology as far as I'm aware.

You know that the WN is on its last arc?

With the pace the LN is going at right now we'll have to wait for about 10 years for it to catch up.

I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do I'm just kinda lost in the purpose besides doing just because we can.

If it's not obvious, it's a range upgrade.

 

[Community_Gamer]

You know that the WN is on its last arc?

With the pace the LN is going at right now we'll have to wait for about 10 years to catch up.

Yeah thats how it goes homie

If it's not obvious, it's a range upgrade.

For who?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I agree with Astral Trinity's reasoning so far

 

[Digital_Franz]

Extradimensional Range seems fine.

 

[FinePoint]

Did you seriously made another 5D thread even though your previous thread got rejected

@EL_xWatcher1234x

Has anything actually changed since the last thread?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

@EL_xWatcher1234x

Has anything actually changed since the last thread?

Yes, I removed the the unecessary parts and this CRT is about 5D range alone.

If you read that CRT you'll find that what was rejected was L1-C and nothing was said about 5D range.(Elizha, Actualspace, Everything12)

 

[Community_Gamer]

I agree with Astral as well

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Bump

Where the staff at?

You can ping them on their msg walls.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I did and bump it still nothing

Did you ping staff that are knowledge in tier 2 and tier 1? Agnaa, FinePoint, Qawsedf, etc.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Did you ping staff that are knowledge in tier 2 and tier 1? Agnaa, FinePoint, Qawsedf, etc.

Yes besides Agnaa, Finepoint asked a question and left.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Besides Agnaa, and Finepoint asked a question and left.

FinePoint evaluates stuff sequentially from his msg wall. If he already came here once and left, you might need to make a new post on his msg wall instead of bumping your old request.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Since it's a matter of range, this should be fine.

 

[Vietthai96]

This suppose 5D range is Low Complex Multiversal range or just 5D Extradimensional range?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

This suppose 5D range is Low Complex Multiversal range or just 5D Extradimensional range?

Extra dimensional, since the OP currently agrees he meant this:

Well, in any case, I could see Extra-dimensional as a range rating, yes, if that was what you were aiming for in being 5-D.

There's nothing to prove Low 1-C range anyways (significant 5D).

 

[Vietthai96]

Extra dimensional, since the OP currently agrees he meant this:


There's nothing to prove Low 1-C range anyways (significant 5D).

Well, that is fine then

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Bump

Are two votes enough for this?

Tier 1 stuff (I guess this is technically tier 1?) needs at least 3 votes. Even if not, tier 2 stuff still needs the participation of at least one admin or higher level staff.

 

[Elizhaa]

The 5D range proposal looks fine.