Arima vs Azuma

[Arkenis]

Equal Speed
Post-Time Skip Azuma
H7C Arima scaling

Arima:
Azuma:

 

[NikHelton]

As I understand it, Arima needs to win before Azuma enters his Chaos form?

 

[Arkenis]

No. He can kill him, chaos isn't indefinite and neither is the regen.

 

[Foriaa]

Arima's page isn't updated btw.

 

[Arkenis]

Does he go up a tier or gain some new hax?

 

[Foriaa]

Yes, Narukami's 30,000 c will be applied, Half-Humans will also be added to the Ghoul Phys page, and get around 3 new abilities, some of them tied to his senses so his analytical stuff will be enhanced. But I think we can probably still do the match.

Arima can still remote activate IXA through the ground or send projectiles flying from Owl/Narukami and with his analytical pred and info analysis, trapping him is going to be hard.

 

[DarthSorox]

How good are Azuma's blitz amps? Arima handled Kaneki's kakuja amp like it was nothing.

 

[DarthSorox]

Yes, Narukami's 30,000 c will be applied, Half-Humans will also be added to the Ghoul Phys page, and get around 3 new abilities, some of them tied to his senses so his analytical stuff will be enhanced. But I think we can probably still do the match.

Arima can still remote activate IXA through the ground or send projectiles flying from Owl/Narukami and with his analytical pred and info analysis, trapping him is going to be hard.

Will Arima's skills section be as detailed as Kaneki's?
When do you plan to update it?

 

[NikHelton]

Bump

 

[Arkenis]

How good are Azuma's blitz amps? Arima handled Kaneki's kakuja amp like it was nothing.

Pretty good but even so, he stays faster given his real speed is above Arima iirc. He should be able to overwhelm Arima with his constructs.

 

[Pedonar]

Pretty good but even so, he stays faster given his real speed is above Arima iirc. He should be able to overwhelm Arima with his constructs.

+ He has the range advantage and can use his chains to move around walls and other surfaces, keeping his distance while basically flying around

 

[NikHelton]

+ He has the range advantage and can use his chains to move around walls and other surfaces, keeping his distance while basically flying around

This isn't new to Arima at all. He also successfully counters speed amps and confidently fights opponents with AD.

Arima can kill him with blindside attacks.

 

[Arkenis]

This isn't new to Arima at all. He also successfully counters speed amps and confidently fights opponents with AD.

Arima can kill him with blindside attacks.

He won't be able to easily fight someone who can fly and nuke the area.

 

[Foriaa]

Arima activates IXA into this dudes back

 

[Arkenis]

He just regenerates.

 

[Foriaa]

Arima sends it into his back again

 

[Foriaa]

Where's the scan for Low-High

 

[Arkenis]

Arima sends it into his back again

He just dodges and flies into the air.

Where's the scan for Low-High

Azuma's not a nonphysical Choujin so that's irrelevant for now.

 

[Foriaa]

IXA’s tentacle is going to follow, if he leaves range, Narukami’s bolts with danmaku and homing can hawk him down

 

[Arkenis]

IXA’s tentacle is going to follow, if he leaves range, Narukami’s bolts with danmaku and homing can hawk him down

He blocks IXA and its not long enough to reach him tens of meters in the air. When has Narukami traveled out of range? And Azumas chains are gonna be way more of an issue than Ixa.

 

[Foriaa]

Wdym traveled out of range? I’m saying if IXA can’t reach him, Narukami will. Also, those chains will melt or at the very least allow for narukami to conduct through

 

[Pedonar]

Wdym traveled out of range? I’m saying if IXA can’t reach him, Narukami will. Also, those chains will melt or at the very least allow for narukami to conduct through

1. When Choujins enter a Chaos State, their power increases drastically. Chaosified Azuma went from only damaging the Blood Choujin to completely one shotting him
2. Has range and speed advantage
3. His chains are generated directly from his body, so even if they’re melted or destroyed, he can just create more
4. I’m not completely sure about this, but I think Arima has to switch between offense and defense rather than using both at the same time
Meanwhile, Azuma can keep attacking while staying out of Arima’s range, using his chains, creating constructs, or firing energy attacks

 

[Arkenis]

Wdym traveled out of range? I’m saying if IXA can’t reach him, Narukami will. Also, those chains will melt or at the very least allow for narukami to conduct through

How far can Narukami travel.

 

[NikHelton]

1. When Choujins enter a Chaos State, their power increases drastically. Chaosified Azuma went from only damaging the Blood Choujin to completely one shotting him

Arima has a 2x AP advantage, a weapon with limited contact area, and a 16x LS advantage. He continued to dominate Kaneki despite Kakuja's speed, AP boost, and his AD.
So, Arima will have the advantage throughout the match.

2. Has range and speed advantage

Speed has been adjusted. Arima has much faster reaction speed and Quinque attacks.

3. His chains are generated directly from his body, so even if they’re melted or destroyed, he can just create more

You're missing the point. Electricity flows instantly through the conductor. So, if Narukami touches the circuits, he'll fry Azuma. Plus, the quinque slows down regeneration.

4. I’m not completely sure about this, but I think Arima has to switch between offense and defense rather than using both at the same time
Meanwhile, Azuma can keep attacking while staying out of Arima’s range, using his chains, creating constructs, or firing energy attacks

He can block attacks with any Quinque, but IXA provides better coverage. Arima can easily defend and attack simultaneously.

 

[Arkenis]

Arima has a 2x AP advantage, a weapon with limited contact area, and a 16x LS advantage. He continued to dominate Kaneki despite Kakuja's speed, AP boost, and his AD.

Azuma can make weapons too, so idk what a limited contact area helps with. 16x LS is good but the guy rarely grabs, so he can push back and hold onto his weapons. He was faster than Kaneki, he won't be faster than Azuma given equal speed.

You're missing the point. Electricity flows instantly through the conductor. So, if Narukami touches the circuits, he'll fry Azuma. Plus, the quinque slows down regeneration.

It won't slow Azuma's regen down.

 

[NikHelton]

Azuma can make weapons too, so idk what a limited contact area helps with.

What I mean is that Arima will be able to deal damage in any case.

16x LS is good but the guy rarely grabs, so he can push back and hold onto his weapons.

In this case, any attempt to block or parry will be unsuccessful.

He was faster than Kaneki, he won't be faster than Azuma given equal speed.

Not so much that Kaneki couldn't perceive it. Besides, Kaneki then used Kakuja and AD.

It won't slow Azuma's regen down.

Why?

 

[Arkenis]

What I mean is that Arima will be able to deal damage in any case.

So would Azuma. And Azuma's got armor to further protect himself.

In this case, any attempt to block or parry will be unsuccessful.

Well no not really, they're relative in ap so he can block and parry.

Not so much that Kaneki couldn't perceive it. Besides, Kaneki then used Kakuja and AD.

If Kaneki can perceive it, that makes it seem like kakuja isn't much of an amp. But again, its equal speed, Arima won't be faster here, combat and reactions gets equalized and Azuma stays the faster out of the two. Azuma has RE, the more danger they put themselves in, the more powerful they'll become. Plus their regeneration works similar to half ghouls.

Why?

Because of how raise works and the fact Choujin has special particles that everything has that makes their abilities work. Narukami's never shown to hinder such a thing.

 

[NikHelton]

So would Azuma. And Azuma's got armor to further protect himself.

Arima still has the AP advantage and the Quinques are incredibly sharp, so the advantage goes to Arima

Well no not really, they're relative in ap so he can block and parry.

The difference in AP is 2x. The difference in LS is 16x. This is more than enough to break any block.

If Kaneki can perceive it, that makes it seem like kakuja isn't much of an amp. But again, its equal speed, Arima won't be faster here, combat and reactions gets equalized and Azuma stays the faster out of the two. Azuma has RE, the more danger they put themselves in, the more powerful they'll become. Plus their regeneration works similar to half ghouls.

Kaneki's Kakuja always gives a speed boost. Arima just manages to handle it. Besides, Arima's base reaction is 2.5 times faster than his speed.

Because of how raise works and the fact Choujin has special particles that everything has that makes their abilities work. Narukami's never shown to hinder such a thing.

Is this unconventional regeneration?

 

[Arkenis]

Arima still has the AP advantage and the Quinques are incredibly sharp, so the advantage goes to Arima

Barely and it won't matter given Azuma has range advantage and better mobility.

The difference in AP is 2x. The difference in LS is 16x. This is more than enough to break any block.

Uh idk, pretty sure the new LS stuff is just for the actual person to person interactions, anything else is just ap/dura.

Kaneki's Kakuja always gives a speed boost. Arima just manages to handle it. Besides, Arima's base reaction is 2.5 times faster than his speed.

Yeah okay and its equal speed. Azuma's FTL, he'll stay the faster one.

Is this unconventional regeneration?

No, its mechanically buffed regeneration cuz some regen neg can't stop the actual source.

 

[NikHelton]

Barely and it won't matter given Azuma has range advantage and better mobility.

Arima still has an AP advantage and will dodge all attacks plus attack from blind spots.

Uh idk, pretty sure the new LS stuff is just for the actual person to person interactions, anything else is just ap/dura.

So it's person on person. One puts physical force into the blow. The other can't handle it.

Yeah okay and its equal speed. Azuma's FTL, he'll stay the faster one.

That's not how it works. Your base speed and combat speed are equalized. So Azuma's speed will be Sub-Rel+. But Arima's reaction speed will still be Rel.

No, its mechanically buffed regeneration cuz some regen neg can't stop the actual source.

Any regeneration in fiction is enhanced. So unless Choujin has a radically different regeneration or resistance nature, the quinque will work.

 

[Arkenis]

Arima still has an AP advantage and will dodge all attacks plus attack from blind spots.

He barely has a 2x advantage. Azuma is faster so he won't get behind to attack from blindspots.

That's not how it works. Your base speed and combat speed are equalized. So Azuma's speed will be Sub-Rel+. But Arima's reaction speed will still be Rel.

And Azuma's faster regularly, so his amps will be faster than Arima.

Any regeneration in fiction is enhanced. So unless Choujin has a radically different regeneration or resistance nature, the quinque will work.

No?

 

[NikHelton]

He barely has a 2x advantage. Azuma is faster so he won't get behind to attack from blindspots.

It's almost a 2x difference, and the quinque is incredibly spicy. That's an advantage. No, Azuma isn't faster.

And Azuma's faster regularly, so his amps will be faster than Arima.

That's not how it works. The speed is equalized relative to Arima's. He retains the reaction advantage. Moreover, he has a specific advantage designation, while Azuma doesn't. Arima has the advantage.

No?

Yes

 

[Arkenis]

That's not how it works. The speed is equalized relative to Arima's. He retains the reaction advantage. Moreover, he has a specific advantage designation, while Azuma doesn't. Arima has the advantage.

It is.

Yes

Yes genuinely it is lmao. Arima's regen neg has no way of interacting with the source of choujins regen.

 

[NikHelton]

It is.

No, the battle speed is leveled out. The reaction speed proportions remain the same. Arima's reaction speed is still much faster.

Yes genuinely it is lmao. Arima's regen neg has no way of interacting with the source of choujins regen.

Does Choujin have an unconventional regeneration mechanism? If not, then the quinque works.

 

[Arkenis]

No, the battle speed is leveled out. The reaction speed proportions remain the same. Arima's reaction speed is still much faster.

If you think that, that means Azuma is still ftl in reactions lmao

Does Choujin have an unconventional regeneration mechanism? If not, then the quinque works.

Not going back and forth with u if u cant understand

 

[NikHelton]

If you think that, that means Azuma is still ftl in reactions lmao

No, you misunderstood. If a character's combat speed and reaction speed are the same, then both are reduced. If the reaction speed is higher, then the reaction speed is maintained.

So, if character A's speed is Mach 1 and reaction speed is Mach 3, and character B's speed is Mach 10, then when the speeds are equalized, the first character still has Mach 1 speed and reaction speed of Mach 3, while the second character will simply be Mach 1.

Not going back and forth with u if u cant understand

To resist regen neg, you need either unconventional regeneration or resistance

 

[Arkenis]

No, you misunderstood. If a character's combat speed and reaction speed are the same, then both are reduced. If the reaction speed is higher, then the reaction speed is maintained.

So, if character A's speed is Mach 1 and reaction speed is Mach 3, and character B's speed is Mach 10, then when the speeds are equalized, the first character still has Mach 1 speed and reaction speed of Mach 3, while the second character will simply be Mach 1.

I meant combat speed, mb. Azuma's amps let him blitz other ftl characters like Vlad, so his increases would be the same, they would not fall under still being slower.
"Speed Amplification techniques are assumed to grant the same percentile of increase to a character's equalized speeds, as they would to their usual speeds."

To resist regen neg, you need either unconventional regeneration or resistance

No. You can just have a special source for your regen. If you think special source equals unconventional then think of it that way by all means. Still it doesn't address the source of the regeneration being from the super cells.

 

[Pedonar]

Yeah, it isn’t stated directly, but from what we know, a Choujin’s powers come from their desire. That desire controls the special particles that serve as the blueprint for the world’s building blocks, while the Supercell acts as the biological key that lets them manipulate those particles.

All of a Choujin’s abilities cones from this system. For example, some Choujin can reconstruct their bodies into the very phenomenon they control. The Smoke Choujin’s body turns into smoke and regenerates through it. That’s why I think their regeneration isn’t just normal biological healing,it works by manipulating the world’s building blocks through their desire.