Arzon vs Sans

[BattleReviews]

Arzon for reason above.
Why would Sans not be able to turn his soul blue because of a Forcefield?

It's not like he fires a projectile to turn your soul blue it just turns blue.

this, cant he just smash that forcefield hard by using telekinesis

 

[Noahkaismith]

@Noah Sans ignores CONVENTIONAL durability, not something like forcefields. Nothing implies his attacks can bypass a forcefield. Also Sans definitely does not have higher stamina. Sans soul damage is chip damage, one hit isn't going to kill Arzon.

Sans can just summon attacks out of midair. I don't see why he couldn't summon a bone barrage or a gaster blaster behind the forcefield. I'd say Sans has noticably higher stamina, considering how he could fight with Chara for an extended period of time. Chip damage to your soul, especially considering said "chip damage" could 2-shot Chara (a being with soul manip resistance) if they made direct contact with it, I can tell you that it would one shot Arzon.

 

[BattleReviews]

yeah... sans FRA

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

>Sans 2-shotting Chara

Stop saying that. It just isn't true and unaccepted here at that.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

5-3, Arzon. Saik, who's your vote on?

 

[Kepekley23]

Sans can just summon attacks out of midair. I don't see why he couldn't summon a bone barrage or a gaster blaster behind the forcefield

Because, as you said it, there's a forcefield preventing it from happening.

I'd say Sans has noticably higher stamina, considering how he could fight with Chara for an extended period of time.

Arzon's life-purpose is to battle people.

Chip damage to your soul, especially considering said "chip damage" could 2-shot Chara (a being with soul manip resistance) if they made direct contact with it, I can tell you that it would one shot Arzon.

Good thing Arzon's Wind Dance makes him many, many times faster.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

No one. I just came here to debunk Noah's non-stop wank of Sans.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

C'mon, buddy. Vote. It's the least you could do after Doremy vs Kirby ovo

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Arzon fra

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Yeah gotta say the same as Weekly. Not much Sans can do here.

 

[Kepekley23]

7-3.

Grace period.

 

[BattleReviews]

still much i say

 

[Noahkaismith]

Weapon summoning could get annoying for Sans, but it's not like he can't deal with them
Please elaborate. Arzon's weapons can home into their targets, and they proved annoying to Time Havoc (who is > Sans)

Air manip is a problem, but it's nothing he can't dodge

Arzon's air manipulation is extremely hard to dodge.

Forcefields aren't as big as a deal as people are making them out to be, as Sans ignores durability, which would end up with him shattering the forcefield rather quickly.

Explain how a soul attack can bypass a forcefield.

He could also turn it into an advantage, and ping-pong Arzon around aganist the forcefield

This has already been discussed and debunked. San's TK isn't getting past Arzon's forcefield.

He could easily just summon his attacks past the forcefield.

This would work if there wasn't a forcefield to prevent it from happening.

teleport himself past the forcefield

Time Havoc's teleport is better than Sans's and he couldn't do this.

Sans also has much higer stamina, intelligence, and skill

The Dojo participants literally live to fight stronger or equal opponents. Arzon is clumsy, but he is a battle genius.

Finally, Sans only needs a single blow to finish him, considering Sans attacks your soul as opposed to your physical body.

Arzon's forcefield prevents this from happening.

How is Time Havoc surperior to Sans? In what regard? In terms of teleportation? That's not true, considering how both teleport the exact same way (with a thought). In fact, Time Havoc only teleprted once in that whole fight.

That doesn't seem to be mainly air manip, and more of a combination of being much faster than his opponent and striking him over and over with air manip.

Can you provide me an example of Arzon's forcefields? I don't really understand how they work.

Not really, I haven't seen it debunked anywhere on the thread.

Does his forcefield surrond him like a bubble, or is it just a barrier facing a single direction? Either way, Sans could either summon an attack from WITHIN the forcefield, or attack from a different direction.

How is Time Havoc's teleportation better than Sans'? Just saying it is doesn't mean anything. But even if Time Havoc DID have better teleportation, you can't say he couldn't teleport inside the forcefield because ARZON NEVER MADE A FORCEFIELD IN THAT FIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Arzon being a "battle genius" means next to nothing here. Sans fought and defeated Flowey and Chara countless times, and Flowey and Chara were able to kill every single monster in the Underground but Sans. This would include Undyne, who trains nonstop, is taught by the strongest monster in the Underground. In other words, she's a "battle genius." Sans is even smarter than ALPHYS, someone who is smart enough to build a 2-B weapon. He managed to stomp a 2-B repeatedly using nothing but his hax and skill. Meanwhile, Arzon forgot that he was in a fight to the death.

I don't see how Arzon's forcefields protect him from gravity manip, bones that burst out of the ground, teleportation, and giant lasers coming out of nowhere.

 

[BattleReviews]

you can still change your vote, to unable the period,

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Sans being > Alphys has no canonical backing, iirc.

 

[Noahkaismith]

Sans being > Alphys has no canonical backing, iirc.

Eh, it's debatable as to who's smarter. Sans is aware of timelines and all that, constantly tricks the player, is smart enough to use his strongest attack first, likely assissted in creating the Core and discovered the amalgamates, among other things. Alphys, on the other hand, created Mettaton, is able to trick Mettaton, turned Frisk's phone into a jetpack, seems to know about timelines, she hacked into the core, and created the amalgamates. It's up for you to decide. Alphys seems to more book smarts, being able to build robots and such, while Sans is more street smart, specializes in quantum theory and other universes, and has more meta knowledge. I for one think that Sans is smarter, but they're at least both equal.

 

[Kepekley23]

How is Time Havoc surperior to Sans? In what regard? In terms of teleportation? That's not true, considering how both teleport the exact same way (with a thought). In fact, Time Havoc only teleprted once in that whole fight.

In terms of both hax and teleportation. And yes, Time Havoc's teleportation is better, since he can spam it endlessly, witout a time limit or fatigue.

That doesn't seem to be mainly air manip, and more of a combination of being much faster than his opponent and striking him over and over with air manip.

Arzon used air manipulation to enhance his speed there.

Can you provide me an example of Arzon's forcefields? I don't really understand how they work.

They are basically bubbles which surround Arzon, and they are too small, but still extremely durable, for Sans to summon attacks from within. It works the same as [Time Havoc's bubble], which can nosell 7-B attacks without a scratch.

 

[Noahkaismith]

How is Time Havoc surperior to Sans? In what regard? In terms of teleportation? That's not true, considering how both teleport the exact same way (with a thought). In fact, Time Havoc only teleprted once in that whole fight.
In terms of both hax and teleportation. And yes, Time Havoc's teleportation is better, since he can spam it endlessly, witout a time limit or fatigue.

That doesn't seem to be mainly air manip, and more of a combination of being much faster than his opponent and striking him over and over with air manip.

Arzon used air manipulation to enhance his speed there.

Can you provide me an example of Arzon's forcefields? I don't really understand how they work.

They are basically bubbles which surround Arzon, and they are too small, but still extremely durable, for Sans to summon attacks from within. It works the same as [Time Havoc's bubble], which can nosell 7-B attacks without a scratch.

I HIGHLY doubt Time Havoc has better hax, and Sans' teleportation is spammable and doesn't have a time limit or significantly drain his stamina.

Again, speed is equalized. He's not doing that here.

If that's the case, he could summon a bone to impale Arzon like he did with Frisk. Time Havoc no-selling 7-B attacks is irrelevent, considering A). Sans can damage 2-B's. And B). Sans ignores durability.

 

[Kepekley23]

I HIGHLY doubt Time Havoc has better hax, and Sans' teleportation is spammable and doesn't have a time limit or significantly drain his stamina.

He does, since you just admitted it tires San out. And you still have to prove Sans can ignore Arzon's bubble.

Again, speed is equalized. He's not doing that here.

In other words, your point about Sans dodging Arzon's air manip is now invalid. Got it.

If that's the case, he could summon a bone to impale Arzon like he did with Frisk.

Arzon is inside a forcefield.

Time Havoc no-selling 7-B attacks is irrelevent, considering A). Sans can damage 2-B's.

Which is still no proof he can bypass the forcefield. And by the way, it isn't in-character for him to start the fight with...anything, really.

And B). Sans ignores durability.

Weekly has already debunked this. Sans can't get past forcefields with his durability negation.

 

[Noahkaismith]

I HIGHLY doubt Time Havoc has better hax, and Sans' teleportation is spammable and doesn't have a time limit or significantly drain his stamina.
He does, since you just admitted it tires San out. And you still have to prove Sans can ignore Arzon's bubble.

Again, speed is equalized. He's not doing that here.

In other words, your point about Sans dodging Arzon's air manip is now invalid. Got it.

If that's the case, he could summon a bone to impale Arzon like he did with Frisk.

Arzon is inside a forcefield.

Time Havoc no-selling 7-B attacks is irrelevent, considering A). Sans can damage 2-B's.

Which is still no proof he can bypass the forcefield. And by the way, it isn't in-character for him to start the fight with...anything, really.

And B). Sans ignores durability.

Weekly has already debunked this. Sans can't get past forcefields with his durability negation.

It doesn't tire him out. Where in my sentence did I imply that?

Oh my god. Sans can dodge his air manip because he has teleportation spam. He needs a single thought to move out of the way.

So? He'd summon the bone inside the forcefield.

Are you seriously telling me that Arzon's forcefields wouldn't be destroyed by a 2-B? Did you even play the game? He starts with his strongest attack... Come on.

Are the forcefields physical or no? Are they something that can be damaged?

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Sans is not a 2-B.

 

[Kepekley23]

It doesn't tire him out. Where in my sentence did I imply that?

"or significantly drain his stamina."

Oh my god. Sans can dodge his air manip because he has teleportation spam. He needs a single thought to move out of the way.

So does Time Havoc. Arzon has fought insta-teleporters with the same speed as him before, and he has done well.

So? He'd summon the bone inside the forcefield.

No, he wouldn't. That's why it's a forcefield. It blocks external attacks.

Are you seriously telling me that Arzon's forcefields wouldn't be destroyed by a 2-B? Did you even play the game? He starts with his strongest attack... Come on.

Sans isn't a 2-B.

Are the forcefields physical or no? Are they something that can be damaged?

They are physical. They, however, won't be negated by soul hax.

 

[Noahkaismith]

It doesn't tire him out. Where in my sentence did I imply that?
"or significantly drain his stamina."

Oh my god. Sans can dodge his air manip because he has teleportation spam. He needs a single thought to move out of the way.

So does Time Havoc. Arzon has fought insta-teleporters with the same speed as him before, and he has done well.

So? He'd summon the bone inside the forcefield.

No, he wouldn't. That's why it's a forcefield. It blocks external attacks.

Are you seriously telling me that Arzon's forcefields wouldn't be destroyed by a 2-B? Did you even play the game? He starts with his strongest attack... Come on.

Sans isn't a 2-B.

Are the forcefields physical or no? Are they something that can be damaged?

They are physical. They, however, won't be negated by soul hax.

Exactly. It doesn't drain his stamina.

Time Havoc teleported once in that whole fight. Compare that to Sans, who will constantly teleport himself, Arzon, and his attacks all over the place. That will quickly overwhelm him.

It blocks external attacks. Not an attack from within the forcefield.

He's 2-B with hax.

He doesn't need to negate it. If an attack connects with it, it will apply chip damage over and over to the point that it can obliterate a 2-B within seconds. Pretty sure it will crack a 7-B forcefield VERY quickly. Even ignoring this, Sans doesn't just teleport himself. He can also teleport his opponent. He could always teleport Arzon outside of the forcefield.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Name one instance of Sans teleporting someone outside of a forcefield. I'll wait.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Sans is Unknown with hax

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

"It will apply chip damage over and over to the point that it can obliterate a 2-B within seconds"...because of hax that won't get past the forcefield.

Arzon for Kep's reasons.

 

[Noahkaismith]

Name one instance of Sans teleporting someone outside of a forcefield. I'll wait.

Why wouldn't he? He's smart, he'd figure out "hey, better get rid of that forcefield."

 

[Noahkaismith]

Sans is Unknown with hax

We have that because his powers work in strange ways and we have now way of knowing how it works and it who it works on. He's at least 2-B though.