Avatar: Possible Vaatu and Raava Downgrade

[Meosos]

Vaatu and Raava are currently listed as "Likely Continent level via environmental destruction at full power (He was going to cover the world in darkness and then reshape it, when he possessed Unalaq he nearly managed to do so)"

From what I remember Unalaq/Vaatu simply said that a new age for humans and spirits would start (10.000 years of Darkness), but he first had to reclaim the material world. There are no more statements or feats from what I remember.

I think we should downgrade them to High 7-C at most (comparable to the Avatar), since they have not proven to be more powerful and Vaatu fought Avatar Wan in the past on equal terms. The Tier was also given by the creator of the page and it was never questioned.

Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Dark649]

Matthew pointed out an Island level Avatar feat and the covered world feat if calced could bring higher results.

 

[Meosos]

Matthew pointed out an Island level Avatar feat and the covered world feat if calced could bring higher results.

Thats what I meant, there is no "covering the world in darkness feat" at least what I remember.

 

[Meosos]

I rewatched the show and couldnt find any statement or feat that would justify 6-A for Raava and Vaatu. Perhabs we should downgrade them for now until there are better feats.

Since Vaatu is clearly capable to fight the Avatar and a combination of Vaatu and Unalaq (the dark avatar) was going to destroy republic city, I would suggest downgrading them to a level witch is actually justified: High 8-C to High 7-C.

 

[Schnee_One]

Vaatu literally covered the world in Darkness when he possessed Unalaq

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with the first post for now, unless there are better opposing arguments later on.

 

[Antvasima]

However, I think that Raava and Vaatu are supposed to be the strongest spirits, so they should scale from the Moon Spirit's Island level feat.

 

[Meosos]

Vaatu literally covered the world in Darkness when he possessed Unalaq

No he didnt. Thats the time he possessed Unalaq:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdETR2tXYgI

What you mean is harmonic convergence, which is a natural event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1A8ejk-NE4#t=1m32s

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Still doesn't mean it can't ever be done though.

Raava outrigt told Wan that if Vaatu won against her Darkness would cover the earth for 10,000 years until the next H.C.

 

[Meosos]

I would be glad if you have the actual quote

The Island feat was furthermore done by the Avatar and the Ocean spirit, so its the combined power.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Be right back with it.

Also no it wasn't. It was discussed and decided already that Aang wasnt a factor, the feat is purely the Ocean Spirits.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Here https://youtu.be/eBnAj5Mue_U

At 7:26 onward.

"Vaatu will destroy the world as you know it. Darkness will cover the earth for 10,000 years."

Also, if possible, shouldnt Raava and Vaatu have a form of conceptual manipulation over Light and Darkness? They are literally the light and darkness that make up the Avatar Universe and when destroyed they revive as the actual concepts to my knowledge.

 

[Js250476]

It's true I remember it being said that Aang at the time wasn't contributing and it was all the ocean spirit's doing

 

[Antvasima]

Corrupting the minds of spirits and people is not quantifiable.