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Avatar:Questions about calculations

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hello everyone. looking at the calculations of the achievements of the avatar characters, I had a slight indignation about the results obtained in the calculations. and I have no complaints about those who approved of them, and they evaluated what they were given. I have a question for those who did the calculations themselves-are you aware that there are other data that also need to be checked, and which directly affect a particular achievement?

let's start:

Point 1:Iroh breaks the outer wall of ba sing se.

Well, first of all, it's worth clarifying one detail. the outer wall is not 100 meters high, but 180 (the authors indicated it as 600-foot), but this does not apply to the essence of the matter. This includes the fact that this is not an external wall, but an internal one that separates the middle and upper rings (or maybe some other wall, but it doesn't really matter), and its height and thickness are MUCH smaller than those of the outer wall. For example, we can look at the gathering of troops at the wall
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, we see this wall at full height and people on it.

We see tanks approaching the gate,
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and we see the gate itself.
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We can see the gate in this frame
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and in this one to clearly calculate its dimensions. I'm not a big fan of counting by pixels, but even so, I couldn't reach a wall height of more than 30 meters. Accordingly, the volume of the destroyed piece should be lowered at least 9 times, that is, not a city block or a multi-city block, but a large building. using the initially incorrect parameter was confusing, leading all calculations in the wrong direction.

Point 2: Bumi moves the statue.

undoubtedly, the achievement is impressive, but it is unclear to me that why use such crutches in calculations, like people who are not even visible due to poor quality. It was assumed that the person was half the height, so about a meter. Or maybe you can only see the head there? Or maybe it's a dwarf? why use such an unreliable parameter? why is it impossible to calculate the size of the statue from the size of the wall that we see here
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, here
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and here
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? here we can see people in full growth, and walls. you can add an intermediate parameter in the form of a gate, which will reduce the error. or you can, for example, make calculations through the base of the statue
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, next to which we see the warriors of firenation. The total height of the statue is about 5-6 times the height of its base. These are as many as 3 calculation examples, which are much more consistent than simple guessing. I used to estimate it at 25-28 meters, but taking into account all the data, I am ready to raise it to 40

Point 3: Bolin breaks the runway.

The achievement was calculated using Bolin's height, which was assumed to be 170 centimeters. I have no complaints about this (although it is slightly higher, but it doesn't matter). and what about the 10-meter robots that rode behind him? here, for example, is a two-meter-high bumi against the background of one of these.
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He is 5 times smaller. and what about this shot of airplanes that have a wingspan twice as large as the height of tanks?
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What about the hangar where these planes and tanks are?
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for example, Bolin riding on a naga
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(it should be about 2.5-3 meters high) against the background of the opening, we can see how small it is. We can see how big this room is. even the smaller building was very spacious
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, and the grid, where the three of them were not crowded at all, occupies a very small part of the room. and some of the stones that Bolin lifted could easily compete with a large hangar in height, I'm not talking about a small building at all. and we can see that this huge hangar is not much more wide than the runways, if at all more. The estimated width of the lanes is 90-100 meters, and the length is about 400 meters. taking into account the height, this achievement of the bolin should be estimated MUCH higher. Bolin was artificially made more distinguishable to make it clear where it is located, but this does not reflect the actual size of the runways that it destroyed.

Point 4: Freezing the kuvira robot.

the thing is interesting, because the estimate came from Korra's statement that he was as tall as a 25-storey building (actually 20, but it doesn't matter). However, nowhere does it say that the world of avatar uses the same floor metric as ours, or that it is somehow standardized. however... What about the airships frames?
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or this shot where the colossus appears in front of the army
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? or a shot with the eye of the colossus and korra next to it
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? Here, according to rough estimates, the eye extends 10 meters. In general, the size of the colossus is quite contradictory and ranges from 100 to 600 meters, but the two most common variants were 100 and 400. the first one was in the episode "day of the colossus", the second one was in all the others. and although mathematically there were more moments where he was 100 meters away, although not much, and some of them could be explained by the requirement to distinguish the characters against the background of such a huge car, but something else speaks in favor of 400 meters. dimensions of buildings.
 
Here, for example, is the arena
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. we see mecha tanks, and even with the naked eye it is clear that they will not reach the roof, even if they are put on top of each other. and this is confirmed by its internal dimensions
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and comparison with the judges' stands
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. However, let's take a look at the general layout of the city.
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Do you see a building as big as the arena standing out from other buildings in any way other than its color? I don't see it either. it even looks small. that is, all the other buildings are impressively huge, and the 400-meter option looks more plausible both from the point of view of the comparison already shown with airships, ships and tanks, and from the point of view of logical consistency. this gives an almost 5-fold increase in all one-dimensional parameters of the robot and increases its volume 125 times, and accordingly the volume of water that the crust raised and froze, which gives it not low 7c, but high 7-C. Although I only noticed this now, the author of these calculations did not take into account the kinetic energy that was produced by lifting so much water into the air and pushing the giant robot away, which would give even more energy. Another option would be a compromise between 100 meters and 400-250 meters, which fits well into the dimensions of ships, buildings and airships, while practically not conflicting with the assessment through people, assuming that they are drawn to distinguish against the background of a super large object (this is not the first time in the avatar).
 
Point 5: Creation of Kyoshi Island.

I've looked at the calculations and they're pretty good... There would be, if not for a few nuances.

First, why do the calculations use an episode with the MOST unstable picture? The calculations of unagi's length came from unagi's eye, which is 4.5 times larger than aang's height (by the way, an error was made in the link to aang's height, because this is his height from book 3, where he is taller) can you see unagi's 6-meter eye here
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? Or maybe here
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? If anything, this frame is the one that was a second before the one that the calculations are based on.

Secondly, there is no clear evidence that we see unagi's entire body as he swims away. Perhaps it's his crest, which is much smaller. This is confirmed by this shot with giant koi.
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This is the same bay, and unlike unagi, we see koi in full size.

Thirdly, it is unclear why the main bay of the island is put on a par with another, when they are not even similar. Seriously, do you see the similarities? They differ in shape, they differ in location, they differ in the ratio of the size of the bay to the island. On the basis of what did this person decide that this was exactly the same bay?

Fourth, the island's creation scene showed how Kyoshi uses lava to separate it from the bedrock. That is, there are not 3,000 meters above sea level, but exactly as many as shown, which is about 150 meters.

But let's not get hung up. What about the village on the island, which consists of these small houses?
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Here it is against the background of the island.
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What about Chin's village?
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The Courthouse Square is only 20 meters long
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, or even less, which will give the whole village a MAXIMUM of 150, and in general 130 meters in diameter. And here is the village against the background of the part that remained after the creation of Kiyoshi Island. We can see the borders of the peninsula, at least one. Does something prevent us from calculating the size of the peninsula (and with it the island) here, with stable dimensions in animation? And I'll get ahead of myself and say that Kyoshi Island won't even be a kilometer wide. As a result, we will get an island about 700 meters wide and about 1800 meters long with a depth of 150 meters, which will be 1600 times less than the calculated volume with an error. At the same time, the mass decreases, and with it the speed.

Point 6:Roku shows how cool he is:

The situation is similar here, with the only difference being that the size of the island is represented through Sozin's point of view, although this is most likely an artistic assumption. But. What about this wall that Roku created
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? We see it from the beginning to the end. we see it against the background of the island
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. What about Sozin and roku near the small volcano
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? What about roku near a large volcano that uses air
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? We can perfectly calculate the size of the volcano's mouth. And based on several data, calculate the size of the island. I'm in no hurry to give the specific size of the island, but I'll say for sure-its length does not even reach a kilometer, I'm silent about 10.

Point 7:Aang creates a rift around Yu Dao.

As always, I have no complaints about the calculations. I have a complaint about the reference point. Why a random house? Why not a wall
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? Why not the main gate
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? They are not out there somewhere, but right here, near the rift.
 
a small correction: I estimated the colossus of kuvira based on the size of the baatar airship, which should be 70 meters long, but the check showed that it was closer to 40, so the height of the colossus is really closer to 250 meters.
 
Jesus Christ bro put your shit in an imgur gallery or something 😭
 
Is there a problem?
It becomes a pain to scroll through and makes it harder to follow your argument. I have no issues with the substance of it, and I’m sure you’re making a compelling case, but if you want anyone to seriously look at that thread and judge it, it’d be best to transfer the images to another sites like Imgur, and then link those alongside text explanations.
 
strange. for some reason, it seemed to me that when you see the thesis and the context of the thesis immediately after it, it is more convenient than when you need to do some kind of manipulation like clicking on a link to view the context.🤔
 
There are also several errors in the calculations of the weight of the ozai statue.

1 is not a stone. If it was a stone, Bumi wouldn't need pillars. It's metal.

Secondly, the calculation was based on the fact that it is a single piece. if the statue is made of iron, then it is a piece of all-metal metal. However, there is no practical evidence for this. For example, the Motherland statue in Kiev weighs about 500 tons. at a height of 62 meters. The weight of the statue of Christ the Redeemer is 635 tons. The statue of Genghis Khan in Mongolia weighs 250 tons. that is, when calculating the mass of Ozai's statue, it is better to rely on the mass of similar statues from the real world than on calculations of the density of stone or even more iron.
 
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