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Ayanokouji Kiyotaka VS Iris Midgar

Rules:

  • Speed is equalised.
  • No prior knowledge or prep time
  • Iris has her magic restricted
  • Ayanokouji has his baton and Knife
  • Starting Distance: 10 meters
  • Location: Combat Arena
  • Ayanokouji's AP: 49,3 KJ
  • Iris Midgar's AP: 15 KJ
Ayanokouji's Advantages
  • Higher AP & LS
  • Higher Stamina (Pain Tolerance)
  • Higher Skill
Iris's Advantages
  • Higher Stamina (Energy Exertion)
  • Higher Range
  • Better Instincts
The Whiteroom's Master Piece -Best Knight in The Kingdom -
 
Talking about Ap first. Iris should pretty much be able to end the fight quickly if she lands one hit, she can just cut one of Ayanokouji's vital and he doesn't really have an answer if the attack land. On the other side Ayanokouji can do the same, with the knife, which though has much lower range compared to Iris' sword, so he would expose himself. If Ayanokouji uses the baton to attack then he loses some lethality and Iris should be able to deal with the pain, even from attacks x3-4 stronger, since she scales to characters who can fight without an arm and with the gut cut open, without having treated the wounds. So, on this side I think Iris has the practical edge, even if Ayanokouji has higher AP.

On the skill side overall Ayanokouji wins, yet I do not think he has counters to Iris analyticals (Analytical Prediction & Information Analysis) so he's a fairly open book to her. Well, the counter would be going Hand-to-hand, since Iris has no knowledge nor experience aside from swordmanship, but at the same time Ayanokouji would have a big range disadvantage. Iris is an open book to Ayanokouji has well so it goes both ways. That said, Iris starts with the edge on sheer swordmanship, and I think they are going to start with it unless in-character Ayanokouji drops his weapons to fight swords, due to Ayanokouji lacking feats on it, tho he should eventually catch up via Accelerate Development. In sheer precision Iris fairly stomp Ayanokouji. Iris upscales character who can cut off one's clothes without damaging him, meaning the character is able to perform several attacks with millimetric precision (check the thickness of clothes). Ayanokouji on his side has feats of stopping attacks one centimeter away from the opponent's face, so his precision works on that margin, but it was done with punches so it's questionable how much it translates to swordmanship.

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I think Iris's more solid here. She just needs one solid hit and she should be good, while Ayanokouji starts with some disadvantages he needs to catch up to with his AD. Even if he does, and they are somewhat unable to hit each others, Iris edges out in stamina by a good margin. 72 h of straight fight is much more impressive that vaguely being active for even 14 days. Despite it involving traveling and fighting, it's just not stomp.
 
Ok so;

Ayanokouji has extensive experience dealing with weapons, so this would be nothing new to him. He has fought the world's top-ranked individuals in their respective fields, all of whom were geniuses themselves, and completely curb-stomped them to the point where they looked like children compared to Ayanokouji's skill level in both hand-to-hand combat and weapon mastery. He accomplished this in just five years and continued evolving at the same rate for the remainder of his time in the White Room.

Not only that, but Ayanokouji has shown the ability to remain completely untouched against opponents comparable to him in skill, even when those opponents had full prior knowledge of his abilities, including his decision-making, fighting style, physical stats, and more. While severely weakened—tired, hungry, thirsty, and fighting under the blazing sun—he still remained untouched. Tsukishiro, in particular, could effectively "mind-read" his opponents through cold reading, allowing him to infer what they were thinking. Despite this, Ayanokouji continuously adapted and countered Tsukishiro's predictions (while Tsukishiro was also countering him) and still managed to avoid being hit.

A counterpoint to what Zefra said is that Ayanokouji currently has two weapons: a baton and a knife. He could block a sword strike with the baton while simultaneously attacking with the knife. He could also incorporate feints into his offense, which I'm not sure Iris has any feats for, but they could be effective. Additionally, Ayanokouji could simply discard the knife and immediately go for a disarm, as self-defense techniques commonly include methods for disarming armed opponents.

As for Iris's analysis of him, I believe Ayanokouji could counter that as well. He has feats that support this. For example, after only a few exchanges with Nanase, he realized she possessed kinetic vision. He also noticed details as subtle as a student's blood vessels constricting and their pupils dilating from across the room, allowing him to determine exactly what their brain was registering. The reason I bring this up is because Ayanokouji's AD would allow him to counter Iris's analysis, just as he did against Tsukishiro and Shiba. As mentioned earlier, both of them had full prior knowledge of his capabilities and based their predictions on that information, with Tsukishiro further enhancing his predictions through cold reading. In response, Ayanokouji began creating entirely new timings, habits, and an unorthodox fighting style, along with other adaptations, to invalidate their predictions and render them ineffective.
 
A counterpoint to what Zefra said is that Ayanokouji currently has two weapons: a baton and a knife. He could block a sword strike with the baton while simultaneously attacking with the knife. He could also incorporate feints into his offense, which I'm not sure Iris has any feats for, but they could be effective.
I mean, yeah of course. It's not like these are some super techniques only Ayanokouji has tho. Iris can block, dodge and counterattack as well?
Additionally, Ayanokouji could simply discard the knife and immediately go for a disarm, as self-defense techniques commonly include methods for disarming armed opponents.
I'm not entirely sure in self-defense they teach you how to disarm an opponent with 1 meter long sword, ngl.
As for Iris's analysis of him, I believe Ayanokouji could counter that as well. He has feats that support this. For example, after only a few exchanges with Nanase, he realized she possessed kinetic vision. He also noticed details as subtle as a student's blood vessels constricting and their pupils dilating from across the room, allowing him to determine exactly what their brain was registering. The reason I bring this up is because Ayanokouji's AD would allow him to counter Iris's analysis, just as he did against Tsukishiro and Shiba. As mentioned earlier, both of them had full prior knowledge of his capabilities and based their predictions on that information, with Tsukishiro further enhancing his predictions through cold reading. In response, Ayanokouji began creating entirely new timings, habits, and an unorthodox fighting style, along with other adaptations, to invalidate their predictions and render them ineffective.
Yeah, no. To counter Iris' instinct Ayanokouji would genuinely need to look at point X and aim for point Y, and even moving the tip of his weapons in a way that would not tell the rest of the motion (virtually impossible). He does not have feats for that, and saying he can work his martial arts trough this via vague AD is NLF. To be honest, what Iris does might be something completely unrealistic for Ayanokouji, since no one in Classroom Of The Elite possess an Analytical Prediction like that, Ayanokouji migth not even think it's possible to do it. In COTE they are able to tell attacks from small movements, just not as small as Iris, to a degree it's a stomp.
 
Alright, so he can't adapt to her prediction methods because they're not something that can realistically be replicated. That's fair.

However, his Adaptation would still allow him to close the gap in swordsmanship within minutes. His fight against Shiro demonstrates that he can rapidly improve his skill against a superior swordsman, eventually matching and surpassing them. Against her, he'd continuously refine his technique until the skill difference became in his favor.

On top of that, he's fighting with two weapons. That alone significantly increases the pressure on her, since she'd have to account for and defend against simultaneous attacks from both blades. Even with predictive abilities, consistently blocking, parrying, or dodging two coordinated weapons is much more demanding than dealing with a single sword.

If the fight reaches a stalemate, he also has alternative win conditions. He could attempt to disarm her by exploiting the superior swordsmanship he develops through Adaptation, or transition into hand-to-hand combat. Since she has no demonstrated knowledge or training in martial arts, she'd lose the advantage her prediction methods provide in a sword duel, forcing her into a form of combat she's unprepared for.
 
The whole point relies on how quickly Ayanokouji can get to her. But Iris really needs only one clean hit on someone worse than her with the sword. Ayanokouij starting point in swordmanship is unknown, for all we know he might not even be taught that in the White Room. So i disagree with him getting close anytime soon.
 
The whole point relies on how quickly Ayanokouji can get to her. But Iris really needs only one clean hit on someone worse than her with the sword. Ayanokouij starting point in swordmanship is unknown, for all we know he might not even be taught that in the White Room. So i disagree with him getting close anytime soon.
It wouldn't be too hard

Ayanokouji has ANPR that let him remain untouched for the whole series even against people comparable to him

He has instinctive action to help him as well

And 2 weapons to block her attacks makes things easier

Not to mention, Ayanokouji also has higher reactions

He should close the gap smoothly
 
It wouldn't be too hard

Ayanokouji has ANPR that let him remain untouched for the whole series even against people comparable to him

He has instinctive action to help him as well

And 2 weapons to block her attacks makes things easier

Not to mention, Ayanokouji also has higher reactions

He should close the gap smoothly
I still disagree with him closing it anytime soon. For all we know Ayanokouji is an amateur in swordmanship. At most this proves he can survive for a lot of time. But to be fair we don't even know how long it is gonna take him to learn something from nearly zero while doing it and trying to survive.
Lowkey, Ayano has a damned physical advantage (AP & LS)
LS is pointless as long as they engage with the weapons.
 
I still disagree with him closing it anytime soon. For all we know Ayanokouji is an amateur in swordmanship. At most this proves he can survive for a lot of time. But to be fair we don't even know how long it is gonna take him to learn something from nearly zero while doing it and trying to survive.
Why would he specifically need to match her swordsmanship?

Adaptation doesn't require him to become a master of her exact fighting style. It only needs to raise his overall combat ability to the point where he can overcome her. If his proficiency with knives and batons surpasses her level of swordsmanship, then there's no reason he'd need to learn swordsmanship specifically.

Saying he has to match her swordsmanship is like saying a karate practitioner can't defeat a capoeira practitioner because they don't know capoeira. That doesn't make sense. Skilled martial artists defeat opponents from different disciplines all the time without mastering the opponent's style.

By that same logic, I could make the exact same argument against Iris. She has no demonstrated experience dealing with batons or knives either, so claiming Ayanokouji can't overcome her because he isn't a swordsman would also imply that Iris can't effectively deal with his preferred weapons. The argument cuts both ways.

What ultimately matters is overall combat skill, not whether both fighters specialize in the same weapon or martial art. If his Adaptation allows him to refine his own techniques until they exceed her level of skill, then he can outfight her using his own style rather than copying hers.
 
Also, if it means anything

Most of Ayanokouji's MA arsenal have weapon disarming techniques too (alot of them when we factor self defense techniques too)
 
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