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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

"So, are the Bambis friends?"

Kubo:

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Well, we know how GiGi views Bambietta - Liltotto has a low opinion- Meninas and Candice seem to not care?
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
That's the beauty of his writing style. He wants people to piece together and use their brains rather than just lay out the story for even toddlers to understand. He clearly planned most of Bleach out from the beginning with foreshadowing even in the most mundane places.
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As if you all would complain if he expanded these characters more
 
Tier 1 is a complete and utter mess,and unless he gets extra cool stuff in cour 3 and 4 Ichigo might not have the best time in tier 2(Low 2-C and 2-C should be fine?).
Everyone who wants tier 1 in most series rarely think about how bad Tier 1 actually is.
Also having all his multipliers mean nothing will make me sad.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
There is the potential that the TYBW makes 2-C Ichigo consistent enough to grant him that rating on vsbw. We’ve got two cours to go, so we won’t have to wait too much longer to find out.
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I mean, there are already arguments for 2-C Bleach as is, so given the current scaling from Cour 2, things are gonna look good for 2-C Bleach (Which means Bleach and DBS won't be far behind in terms of AP)
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
There is the potential that the TYBW makes 2-C Ichigo consistent enough to grant him that rating on vsbw. We’ve got two cours to go, so we won’t have to wait too much longer to find out.
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Dad, we all know that Pierrot Films is planning to animate the three realms as three moons that were once part of a small planet.
 
I wonder if the anime version will remove the word “Omnipotence” from all context and just say “Almighty” instead.
 
First of all,wanting 2-C and all the other stuff "just" to "beat" Dragon ball is lame.
Second,unless you get into one of those really silly speed tiers that are kind of a joke we are just uh,not beating DBS in speed(but Bleach can just be an equalised merchant).
Also 3,we all know the 3 realms are town sized since the Living world is actually just Karakura town,japan and the rest of earth don't exist.
 
Crobatman44 said:
First of all,wanting 2-C and all the other stuff "just" to "beat" Dragon ball is lame.
Second,unless you get into one of those really silly speed tiers that are kind of a joke we are just uh,not beating DBS in speed(but Bleach can just be an equalised merchant).
Also 3,we all know the 3 realms are town sized since the Living world is actually just Karakura town,japan and the rest of earth don't exist.
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We don't need that. DBS have no counter to Almighty + Yhwach landing on the Dragon Ball Universe without a "set rules match" and more of an "Isekai" would ultimately end up in Yhwach soloing the verse.

Soul King Yhwach is a Threat in Dragon Ball Super​

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Yhwach is a self-proclaimed peace-lover, hates conflict and believes that painful battles should end as soon as possible. He is the Father of the Quincy race and the Emperor of the Wandenreich, with the designation "A" - "The Almighty". He is the son of Soul King, titled given to the being who was rejected into existence, chosen by the old world to change the Chaotic World into the current Bleachverse at the requested blueprint given to him by the 5 treacherous noble houses' head figures. The 5 nobles who betrayed his father, mutilated his body, and sealed him for eons in a state neither alive or dead to hold the universal cycle of souls. At the end of the series Yhwach frees his father from such torture and replaces him as the new Soul King. A day later his life ends at the hands of his son born in darkness with the help of his own power being used against him in the form of a Deux Ex Machina (a plot device whereby an apparently unsolvable problem in a story is suddenly and abruptly solved by an unexpected and improbable event) arrow to stop all of his powers.

Now you're probably wondering how this is going to work? He's a weak character who doesn't make it past Vegeta in the saiyan saga, right? That's probably true. Maybe it's not. There are plenty of ways to scale his fighting level in his own series no doubt. But whatever method people use to scale this character in power level, it doesn't matter at all. Not here at least. I'll show you why Soul King Yhwach would be a disaster in Dragon Ball if he ever stepped foot in that universe.

Of all the abilities that Yhwach possesses, there are only two that are truly awe-frightening: "The Almighty'' and his power to "share his own soul with others''.

1. Soul Distribution Powers​

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Yhwach was born with the innate ability to distribute a piece of his soul to another when touched. Yhwach acquires power by bestowing an ability on others, which he can see before granting, allowing its bearer to cultivate it, and then take it back for himself. In the series as such there are arguments that he used such abilities as Gremmy's power to give himself the power to speak, Jaymes' power to make himself stronger by giving himself a compliment, Nianzol's power to push Yoruichi away of the Soul King’s palace, Gerard's power to rise from the dead stronger in a gigantic form made of pure energy before his powers were negated by the arrow that ended his life, but we are not here to discuss that. On the other hand it may also apply that these were simply similar powers that were not named which he just possessed.

When Yhwach distributed his soul to others, the wounds that one's soul could not heal on its own, were healed. This power healed the physical, mental and spiritual ailments of those who touched Yhwach. As a person's wound healed, all their knowledge, skills and talents were engraved on the piece of soul they received from Yhwach. Those who were healed in this way had their lifespan drastically reduced, and once the person died, the augmented fragment returned to Yhwach.

And Yhwach can forcibly take back the fragments of his soul that he has distributed. Each time he regains a piece of his soul, Yhwach grows stronger and lives longer.

2. The Almighty​

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As told by Yhwach himself "The Almighty" are the eyes that proof a "True Quincy" or "Pure Quincy" (depending on translation) it's unknown if other Quincy can achieve this powers; as only Yhwach and his father were the only users of this power at the current time in the story.

The Almighty eyes first ability gives Yhwach the power of omni-precognition, similar to Zuno, Yhwach can see everything that is to occur from the present moment into the far-flung future. He can "know" everything that lies within that gaze. Rather than seeing a linear future, Yhwach observes all possible futures at once like countless grains of sand in the wind, and can thus act accordingly using the knowledge he has gained to anticipate and counter his opponents. He knew of Ichibei's death a thousand years prior to reawakening the almighty powers he had lost after being sealed away a thousand years ago.

The second power of the Almighty is future acausality, which Yhwach declares to be the true power of the Almighty, the ability to alter the future into whatever outcome he desires. Basically it works by taking a specific event in the future and bringing the result of that event into the present without having to go through the steps leading to that future. He has demonstrated using this power by placing spike traps made of his energy where he knows his opponents will be and preemptively attacking them before they realize what occurred. He can also overcome any defenses and countermeasures they use to protect themselves to facilitate his attacks. Even when his physical energy swords are blocked, he can make it so the attack lands and reality warps a wound in the opponent's body. He can even alter the future should it end with his death. But this can be attributed to his using the power of the Miracle as I explained earlier.

The third power demonstrated via this “Almighty” ability is Power Intuition, which makes any power it "knows" become its ally. Together with reactionary power immunity to make that power not only unable to defeat him, but unable to harm him in any way. In conclusion, hax powers are negated and the only way to defeat is with pure physical power, which is probably the only way to defeat him but if you take into account the second ability above is merely impossible.

A concurrent weakness of The Almighty is that it does not seem to work against other beings who also possess omniscient-like abilities to see into the future, such as Mimihagi or his father the Soul King which are confirmed to have nigh-omniscience powers like Zuno in dragon ball. But so far Zuno seems to be superior in this category as he has not shown any weakness like this in his series.

3. The Cerelian Dragon Balls​

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The Cereal Dragon Balls are a set of dragon balls from the Cereal Planet.

Unlike other dragon ball sets, the Cereal Planet has a set of two Dragon Balls. They are small in nature, which any being could put in their pocket. If said being were wearing clothes. But more importantly, once collected, a password is needed to summon Toronbo.

Toronbo is the wish-granting dragon of Planet Cereal.

At this point in the story it is unknown what limitations, if any, exist on the type of wishes Toronbo can grant; however, they are the only dragon balls known to be able to increase a person's strength to their limits. They even augment beings like Gas and Granolah to the strongest mortals in the dragon ball universe surpassing Goku’s Ultra Instinct and Vegeta’s Ultra Ego divine forms. This set of dragon balls are unique in that some wishes cannot be granted without incurring a cost or price, such as the loss of one's remaining lifespan.

The spell to call the dragon “Takkarapto… Tottoronbo… Pupirittoparo!” is something Monaito once told Granola. A set of three words currently known to only a select few; Monaito, Granola, Zuno, and Elec. And the wish doesn't have to be said in the language of the dragon either as Oatmeal stated.

But the most terrifying thing about these dragon balls is their other unique aspect; they do not turn to stone for any length of time after a single use, allowing them to be used whenever they can be found again. This is scary enough since the dragon ball characters have been able to jump in and grab one of the spheres before they scatter all over the planet.

But everything is safe because if you don't have dragon radar you can't locate the dragon balls in the first place. That is if you are not Master Zuno, a being who has omniscient-like powers that knows pretty much everything in dragon ball universe 7 and of such an object and how to find it. Thanks to him the Heaters were able to find the dragon balls to turn Gas into the strongest warrior in universe 7.

If Yhwach gets his hands on these dragon balls it would be total chaos in the dragon ball series.

4. Absorption & Transformations​

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Yhwach even has the power of consumption, Yhwach can consume other beings through physical contact, including higher beings, and in doing so, he absorbs their powers and energy, and can contain their great essence within his body, making his power his own. The process can vary in duration, being instantaneous with those of lesser power than him and taking longer with more powerful beings and even transforming him similarly to Majin Buu from the Dragon Ball series.

5. Yhwach’s Other Powers​

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Before we start, we need to first mention the other abilities that Yhwach has which would be useful in these future battles.

"Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Master Swordsman and Marksman, Pseudo-flight, Spiritual Awareness (Can see invisible spirits and objects), Extrasensory Perception (Can sense beings with Reiatsu), Longevity, Can take his reiryoku and exert it as reiatsu, Reishi Manipulation (Can forcibly manipulate the particles that make up spiritual beings and objects such as those in Soul Society. After absorbing the Soul King, Yhwach can manipulate all the Reishi in the Soul King Palace so that only Quincies can use it to create stepping platforms in midair, nullified the Shinigami Pseudo-Flight), Limited Blood Manipulation (Using Blut, Yhwach can flood his blood vessels with energy to reinforce them and can consume living beings to fuel Blut Vene Anhaben), Statistics Amplification (Can enhance his speed with Hirenkyaku and increase his defensive or offensive with Blut), Self-Sustenance (Type 1 and 2), Portal Creation, Dimensional Travel (With Shadow), Summoning (Yhwach can summon members of the Sternritter to his side at any time, either to have them block attacks for him or fight on his behalf), Forcefield Creation, Weapon Creation, Light Manipulation, Fire Manipulation (He has Yamamoto's Bankai, which can burn at extremely high temperatures, raise those he's killed from the dead, and wipe opponents from existence), Life Manipulation (Of Quincies - can redistribute the life force of Quincies to other Quincies), Telekinesis, Telepathy, Corrosion Inducement, Power Absorption (With Medallion and Sankt Altar), Resurrection (Can resurrect Quincies by redistributing power to them with Auswählen), Regeneration (Low-Mid; Can regenerate from having his neck and mouth destroyed and shooting a hole through his own chest), Immortality (Type 3), Probability Manipulation and Durability Negation with The Balance, Soul Manipulation (All Quincies can destroy souls, and Yhwach can split his own soul between others to heal all their wounds and grant them powers), Reactive Power Level (By sharing portions of his soul to others on contact or when they make contact with Quincy, Yhwach can gain their strength by absorbing their souls when they die on the battlefield), Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2. Yhwach was able to restore his own name after Ichibē had cut it with Ichimonji), Limited Matter Manipulation (Using Sklaverei, Yhwach can tear apart spiritual objects and beings by drawing upon their Reishi, absorbing beings destroyed in this way), Invisibility, Non-Physical Interaction (Can harm and interact with intangible spirits and objects), Overwhelming Aura (Spiritual pressure can passively induce ailments ranging from paralysis to disintegration), Limited Power Nullification (Reiryoku can null the abilities and techniques of those massively weaker than Yhwach), Resistance to Power Nullification (Yhwach regained his ability to speak after it was negated and even half of his power after it was halved by Ichibē. After he regains The Almighty, Yhwach completely nullified the effect of Ichimonji that stripped him of his name and power and reduced his physical capability to a black ant), Soul Manipulation and Paralysis Inducement (Ransotengai allows Quincy to freely manipulate their bodies using spirit energy if their bodies would be inflicted with great physical harm or paralysis), Absolute Zero via Blut Vene (Due to being more powerful than As Nodt he should be able to replicate the same level of resistance As showed to Rukia Kuchiki's shikai), Teleportation, Absorption (All Types), Precognition (Yhwach can see all possible futures), Information Analysis (Yhwach can understand all powers he sees in the future), Fate Manipulation (Yhwach can choose between and change the futures that lie before him, and can even rewrite the future in which he died), Immortality (Type 4), Reactive Evolution and/or Power Nullification (All powers that Yhwach sees in the future will be incapable of harming him or defeating him), Causality Manipulation Negation (Yhwach can rewrite the future so that everything he destroys will remain broken in the future, even with Orihime's ability to reject past events and causality she was unable to repair Tensa Zangetsu after it was broken by Yhwach) and Limited Resistance to Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2. Ichibē couldn't take the Almighty from him even after he has stripped Yhwach of his name and power and change his name and power into black ant), Incorporeality (After resurrecting himself, Yhwach became a mass of spiritual energy), Darkness Manipulation and Resistance to Precognition (After absorbing Mimihagi, Yhwach should've gained its power to evade even his own sight), , Cosmic Awareness (Should be able to tell what is going on in different dimensions), Transmutation (Completely warped the buildings and cities within the Reiōkyū in his own image), Summoning (After absorbing the Soul King, Yhwach was able to summon a large number of black creatures to destroy the Seireitei), Immortality (Type 7; even after being defeated by Ichigo, Yhwach continued to exist and maintain the three worlds just by existing), Resistance to Causality Manipulation (Orihime couldn't bring back the Soul King even through her power to reject past events and causality) and potentially many others following the death of the Sternritter
POSSIBLE abilities if he uses the powers he took back from his soul sharing ability Durability Negation, Biological Manipulation, Earth Manipulation, Absorption, Information Analysis, Reactive Evolution and Power Mimicry with The Compulsory (Yhwach's nerves can invade the bodies of others to control their movements and forcibly compressing their bodies into compact balls or badly warp their bodies, if his nerves manages to completely invade his opponent's body, Yhwach can near instantly tear them to ribbons. Yhwach can also control inorganic objects such as the ground or buildings and evolve by absorbing information through his nerves and mimicking his target powers and abilities), Regeneration (Mid-Low), Healing, Poison Manipulation, Death Manipulation and Reactive Evolution with The Deathdealing (Yhwach can control over any and all 'Lethal Doses' within his range. He alters the dosage of any substance he ingests or tanks, manipulating the 'poison' and either granting himself complete immunity within a single minute or lowering an opponent's resistance to kill or incapacitate them. Furthermore with Askin's Vollständig, Hasshein. Yhwach will automatically adapt to changes in "poison"; as long as the base of the poison remains the same, any surface layer changes will cause Yhwach's immunity to adjust in turn, rendering the poison ineffective), Explosion Creation, Durability Negation and Transmutation with The Explode (His reishi turns whatever it comes in contact with into a bomb), Fear Manipulation with The Fear (Yhwach can instill fear in others through his Heilig Pfeil. Furthermore with Äs's Vollständig, Tatarforas. Yhwach only needs eye contact for his ability to work and he can create a dome with multiple eyes all around for a higher chance of success. In addition, one glance is enough to cause fear, closing one's eyes afterwards is no use, because fear has embedded within one's mind), Fire Manipulation and Heat Manipulation with The Heat, Can greatly increases his durability with The Iron, Can fire off Reishi constructs to forcibly close gateways between dimensions and form Reishi cages to entrap his opponents with The Jail, Empathic Manipulation with The Love (Yhwach can launch a heart-shaped projectile and anyone hit by this heart will fall in love with him and they will obey every command he gives them), Regeneration (Low-Godly), Immortality (Type 3 and 8), Reactive Power Level and Limited Reality Warping with The Miracle (Yhwach can manifest the fears of the masses like fear of not being able to destroy his body into reality. His power works by turning any and all damage, lethal included, into size and power), Reactive Power Level with The Overkill (Yhwach can gain might by killing someone, be it enemy, ally, or even beast), Can force his opponents to question everything about themselves and their abilities with The Question, Sound Manipulation with The Roar, Air Generation, Statistics Amplification, Regeneration (Mid-High) and Immortality (Type 3 and 8) with The Superstar (Yhwach can gain might from the cheers of a crowd), Reality Warping, Elemental Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Stealth Mastery, Duplication, Transmutation, Creation, Power Bestowal, BFR, Portal Creation and Information Analysis with The Visionary (Yhwach can turn his fantasy into reality), Spatial Manipulation with The Wind (Yhwach can physically bend away the space to avoid attacks from his opponents), Durability Negation and Intangibility with The X-Axis (Yhwach can uniformly penetrate anything between his weapon and his target, ignoring obstacles and durability. Furthermore with The X-Axis True Power active, Yhwach is constantly in a state of intangibility, rendering him virtually untouchable even by Shinigami who can interact with spirits and intangible objects), Power Mimicry and Shapeshifting with The Yourself (Yhwach can mimic not just the appearance of others but also their memories, knowledge, powers, and equipment)"
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This source quoted above is from an outdated version of Yhwach's profile in VSBW, credit to the VS Battle Wiki team and its members.

6. Yhwach’s Plan of Attack in Dragon Ball Super​

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Yhwach was a brilliant military mind who led an empire for thousands of years and his plan to recreate the cosmos of the Bleachverse was almost a success and only failed at the end through his own fault of believing that a vision of the future was merely a dream. He even repeated the same plan that Sosuke Aizen had in mind at the beginning of the story, and succeeded where Sosuke Aizen failed.

Let's start in the world of dragon ball, and skip over the part where Yhwach is transported to that world. Now let's say Yhwach came to the Earth where Goku and his friends live, what would happen next?

As explained before, the ideal plan for Yhwach in this case would be to get those dragon balls after looking at all his alternatives and futures.

We have the option that Yhwach can't just fly to Planet Cereal, right? We don't know if the power of shadows will help him teleport to another planet although he can teleport to other dimensions in his own series. Therefore he will have to go by the safest method - a spaceship. Given his powers of understanding everything he sees with the Almighty, and his human capabilities, Yhwach could get to that planet by going from planet to planet for a few years thanks to his human mind. But if for some reason he couldn't use the power of dimensional travel to get to such a planet for reasons that they are different universes and the planets are not connected like the dimensions are in Bleach.

But what about the Almighty? As explained earlier, it works by taking a specific event in the future and bringing the result of that event into the present without having to go through the steps leading to that future. Yhwach could use the Almighty's power to shorten his journey. Teleporting himself automatically in seconds to the Cereal Planet without having to travel for years.

But if you disagree with this conclusion because of the immense distance between light years we can go the traditional method in which Yhwach travels the universe increasing his power, avoiding the forces of Frieza’s army and others as he reaches the Cereal Planet and even nurturing his knowledge of the next future events to come.

After arriving on the Cereal Planet it will be easy to get the two dragon balls especially with Granolah being a space bounty hunter who is not on the Cereal Planet all the time. He can even use the "Almighty" to have the dragon balls collected at the same time through the future without having to move a muscle or alert his presence on the planet in the present. Something he can repeat continuously in a matter of seconds as the dragon balls on Planet Cereal are not turned to stone after granting a wish, which leads to a multitude of unlimited wishes.

The secret code to summon the dragon is easy to get from Monaito. But if you still want to argue that Yhwach couldn't physically defeat Monaito or make him talk the secret password instead of seeing one of his alternate future visions where Monaito speaks the password out loud. Yhwach simply needs to touch Monaito (and it doesn't have to be in combat if he knows he can’t defeat Monaito) to share his soul with the Namekian and receive all of Monaito's memories when he takes his soul back. But would this work on an alien? Sure. Yhwach already shared his soul with a robot, and a brain in a jar in his own series and Yhwach is basically part alien himself since his father basically came from outside the Bleach Chaotic original world before the current cosmology of the series was created.

Of all the wishes Yhwach could make, such as being the strongest mortal in the universe, becoming immortal or even removing his weaknesses. Yhwach would be affected by the price he has to pay which cuts short his life. Yhwach being thousands of years old and as long as he keeps absorbing souls his lifespan keeps increasing. But he could even use the Almighty to advance time, pay the price of death and revive himself again with the "Almighty" which would allow him to keep the wish with no curse to pay.

Even if his limits go beyond the mortal to the divine realm, since Yhwach is considered in his own series to be the son of the god of the Bleach universe, we don't know if the dragon could make him stronger than the Dragon Ball gods themselves. But one thing is for sure UI and UE are techniques of the gods and angels that Yhwach could acquire in the course of a very short time thanks to his ability "The Almighty" which would allow him to advance the events of the future to the present and change the game. Maybe even one day Beerus will take him in and name him a Destroyer-in-training to become Universe 7's next God of Destruction. As a safety measure in case Zeno wants to do the tournament of power in this timeline to destroy the universes. Which would end in Yhwach overcoming the gods while plotting in the shadows, or being wiped out of existence by the Grant Priest at the end of the tournament of power.

Let me know what you think of the terrifying power known as the "Almighty".
 
So on a more serious note, what would Ichigo's mind reading count as? Is that some kinda info analysis because he can see why someone is fighting?
 
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