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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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EldemadeDityjon
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If you consider Ichigo holds back then that's nowhere near Comparable.
Also drinking Yhwach blood and getting Letter A means nothing. like I he got destroyed (negative diff) by Jugram who was clearly holding back. I do have Uryu on high tiers on the verse but he should lose to Yhwach elite squad logically by his feats.
LMAO. What I hope is base TS Ichigo in his final fight puts up even better resistance to Yhwach than in manga that would be great to show off his power.
My man got humbled by askin. I know it's done by hax but we never got to see his powers fater training for real. Dude has been fighting those female Stern's who couldn't even finish off half dead kenpachi.
Excellence616
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And Ichigo being suppressed
EldemadeDityjon
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Well Suppressed or not the thing is Askin used environment to set up a trap. I don't think even if he didn't Suppressed he had any ways to get out of that trap. I mean Askin was using the reishi filled environment.
Saibotsan
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If he wasn't suppressed he would have negged askin attack, nanana paralysis shouldn't work on aizen if not for the seals leaving "holes" in his reiatsu I reckon the same for a non suppressed Ichigo
Twisted_Little_Raven
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He wasnt half dead at all showed no signs of it and they took him out in like 2 attacks or 3. Candace Also canceled out a casual getsuga wit a casual attack of her own and only lost an arm to a dual getsuga. Y'all sleep on them tbh. Sternritter girls > Post Unohana fight Eyepatch Base Kenpachi. They'd lose to eyepatchless or shikai though
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EldemadeDityjon
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Excellence616
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He will just neg it. Unsuppressed Ichigo impressed Yhwach.
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Yama >> Tokinada ~ RenjiI can’t wait for VSBW Planet level shin bankai Renji scaling.
Renji (Shin Bankai) = Bazz-B > Yamamoto’s flames (planet level).
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Renji (bankai) fought Bazz-B for awhile without damage. And unless Bazz-B profile gets updated and his scaling to Yamma’s shikai’s flames is remove from his profile Renji will be planet level or whatever Yamamoto’s final scaling is.
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Askin used Ichigo’s own reiatsu against him. It was a fair stomp. Ichigo isn’t prepare to fight hax characters.
Excellence616
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Okay if he can't, can Askin put down HOS ichigo or Dangai Ichigo?
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Dangai-Ichigo is bloodlusted and he ain’t suppressing his reiastu to not harm people, he would blitz and cut in 2 Askin and call it a day
Excellence616
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Because really, no one that isn't a Transcendent Like Aizen, Reio or Yhwach should be able to put down Dangai Ichigo or True Shikai Ichigo within the Bleach verse.
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EldemadeDityjon
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Yeah bro. But what i am saying is Ichigo lacks some impressive feats. I kinda need him some good fights to show off his powers.
Atleast i have another idea if Kubo makes Yhwach uses all other his schrifts and Ichigo overwhelms him and last resort yhwach uses Almighty that would be some satisfaction.
Twisted_Little_Raven
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Lmao i wanna see Yhwach use The Superstar
EldemadeDityjon
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Come to think of it. I think mask profile needs an rework. James is the real one mask is just his imagination product.
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Askin isn’t putting them down. They are putting themselves down with their own reiatsu. Does any of those characters have resistance to poison and blood manipulation? Do you make a CRT to give them those resistance yet?
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Base Zaraki with eyepatch on is massively >> Post RG shikai Byakuya
Twisted_Little_Raven
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You know the femritters plan was to wait for eyepatch Zaraki to be near death so they could jump him right? Like it’s specifically stated to be a golden opportunity. Even near death Zaraki was reacting to em too, if bro was healthy the femritters wouldn’t have made it into CFYOW.
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Naw I think here it’s just femritters being wanked
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Here’s Gerard swatting away Senbonzakura Kageyoshi and then smacking Byakuya. We see Byakuya got injured too. Here base Zaraki cuts off Gerard’s arm, and we see his eyepatch still on. So like how is Byakuya soloing the Femritters but base eyepatch Zaraki isn’t? Base eyepatch Zaraki diced up Gremmy who’s just objectively stronger than the Femritters too. Unless people think the Femritters > Gremmy now 
Twisted_Little_Raven
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Because they know Kenpachi is strong. Why would they not wait? He's a war potential it would be smarter to wait. Where is the assumption eyepatch Kenpachi is the only thing they were worried about? How do we know they aren't scared of him taking his eyepatch off or idk his potential? This all assumes eyepatch on base Kenpachi is the sole thing they fear and not him taking his eyepatch off which was basically a bankai for him in the past or the fact he's listed as a war potential alone. They could fear either of these things, it doesnt mean eyepatch on base Kenpachi is superior or the sole thing they fear. For all we know him being a war potential is why they waited.
What's the official translation? One i said says something like "we waited after he was weakened a bit" which there is a main difference between that and near death. To which i also ask where does near death come from? I saw no evidence of this before the fight, during, or after. You admitting yourself he was still reacting to them and moving quickly. There was no problems with his movements, speech, behaviors, and he does a speed feat post gremmy fight. Alot of people think Gremmy did anything to Kenpachi but i personally dont think he did anything at all. He never took off his eyepatch, and it seemed like the only reason he used shikai was cause he saw a huge meteor and decided "yea i wanna try cutting that." Ik ppl are gunna bring up the space shit but again, he was fine. Wounds that seem otherwise serious to us, are not as serious with Kenpachi. That's his theme. Kenpachi was barely weakened after Gremmy fight, enough to where Candace and rest can body him. Had he been healthy he still would of lost just not as fast as he did. Candace was even surprised how well he was able to move, which supports more of the line of thinking i have where he was barely weakened after that fight, and Gremmy was a piss easy opponent from his pov (hence eyepatch still on)
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Yeah no we aren’t scaling the femritters above Gremmy regardless of how much you like themHere’s Gerard swatting away Senbonzakura Kageyoshi and then smacking Byakuya. We see Byakuya got injured too. Here base Zaraki cuts off Gerard’s arm, and we see his eyepatch still on. So like how is Byakuya soloing the Femritters but base eyepatch Zaraki isn’t? Base eyepatch Zaraki diced up Gremmy who’s just objectively stronger than the Femritters too. Unless people think the Femritters > Gremmy now
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What do you mean? One of his best feats is clowning on the Bambi’s while being extremely casual. And extremely casual is appropriate given in CFYOW the strongest of the 4 Liltotto states that even though Hikone was trying to kill them and thought a single cero would vaporize her, she said Ichigo was still stronger
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I’m pretty sure I’m the only one here that still scale TYBWA zaraki > Yama but that’s another topic.
I was thinking, when tokinda was compared to Byakuya could be that the comparison is Shikai to Shikai given Tokinada was using only that?
I think the scaling can make more sense if:
Shikai Tokinada ~ Shikai Byakuya >~ Shikai Shunsui
Excellence616
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I don't see how Askin can affect them if they know Askin abilities or just exert their Reiatsu. And they don't need to have resistance to poison or blood manipulation for you to know that those Ichigos will neg him.
Excellence616
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I even found someone arguing that Meninas strength is on par with Zaraki because of CFYOW statement.
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That statement is just wrong or simply refer to purely hand to hand combat, but even then, Meninas could not even scratch hikone in tag team meanwhile shortly after Zaraki was pushing and damaging the same hikone and shown to be a lot superior to everyone there combined Even with his eyepatch on.
Twisted_Little_Raven
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Which supports more of the thinking he wasnt as injured as people think. Its only used to save his character. He himself admits they were the ones that did him in when ichigo comes. Kenpachi the guy that survives lethal wounds throughout the series and fights like normal still might just be okay after gremmy fight i know, its crazy. Kenpachi almost always removes his eyepatch before he takes too much damage. The fact he did not here means Gremmy could still dish out more damage before he would be willing to take it off. Candice was surprised he was able to move that fast after the fight because they expected him to be more injured, but thats the thing, he wasnt which is why she was surprised to begin with. He wasnt as weakened as she thought he would be. They are superior to eyepatch on Kenpachi. Not eyepatch off or shikai. Idk what official translation is, but i read one of them saying "after he was a bit weakened" which supports more on line of thinking Kenpachi wasnt anywhere near death lol. The girls are stronger than a weakened eyepatch on Kenpachi. But near death? Yea no. Kenpachi removes his eyepatch when he knows more damage he can still take. Thats in character. The fact he never removed it means Gremmy didnt do anything to him. The girls > Eyepatch on Kenpachi. If he takes it off or goes shikai they lose instantly. But thats not what they fought againstThe Femritters jumping an injured Zaraki with most of his organs destroyed is not an antifeat. He also took multiple hits from all of them and was still capable of fighting.
Twisted_Little_Raven
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The only wank i think is me using TS ichigo feats but i say she's weaker than eyepatchless Kenpachi so its not saying i think she's mugetsu level just rather i find it imrpessive she could cancel a casual getsuga with a casual attack
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How is he gonna get a buff? He’d still just scale to 1 Yottaton considering patched Kenpachi who’s 20 Zettatons is stronger than both RG Byakuya who had his Bankai swept aside and knocked out with a shield and RG Renji who got put down with a breath attack.
Twisted_Little_Raven
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Depends on how much effort Gremmy is using. Gremmy fought a shikai Kenpachi... They only beat a base Kenpachi that was somewhat weakened. How do they scale above Kenpachi/Gremmy even with my logic when my argument is base eyepatch on
