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Batman vs Grand Priest • (10-3-0) • [Winner: BATS]

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This is a very original thread, I think.

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Batman, the Dark Knight

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Grand Priest, the Grand Minister

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Batman with Technology and Preparation • Peak Grand Priest • Standard Battle Assumptions Speed is equalized • In a very large indestructible MMA ring

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Batman with prep should scale to 52 Universes so he likely takes this via AP gap and heavy outsmarting
 
So he just wins then? Batman has shit that makes Goku look like a chump laying around in the Batcave and Hall of Justice. If his ass knows he's fighting a cosmic level goon, he isn't gonna be sandbagging, he's gonna be whipping out tier 1 shit.
if only the DC profiles accounted for Tier 1 stuff
 
That implies Goku has a chance.
Batman when researching Goku: "Alright who I'm fighting against... what the fu-"

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Ba ba batgos
Prep time Batman, damn.

Following.
if only the DC profiles accounted for Tier 1 stuff
Speed is equalized here.
following i guess.
Batman with prep should scale to 52 Universes so he likely takes this via AP gap and heavy outsmarting
Change Batman's opponent to Grand Priest instead.
 
Change it to manga GP since he actually has some feats for us to work with here, then we can talk about it. Edit: Oh its manga GP already, cool.
 
Nothing changes. There doesn't exist a DB goon who is beating Batman with prior knowledge + prep. DC outscales DBS in cosmic slop, cosmic slop Batman has access to if given enough time.
Aren't dc God tiers going to become 1-A soon?
 
Alright, so basically manga GP just causally erases batman with thought based history EE, so it doesn't matter what batman does, he's not killing GP. Also to kill GP requires batman to have some sort of high level existence erasure, or else he's not dying to any means. GP could turn batman into a baby just by looking at him if he wanted, hell, GP doesn't even have to be in the same dimension as batman to do any of these things.
 
Aren't dc God tiers going to become 1-A soon?
You would think. And Batman damn well has access to some of that stuff Hell Batkek is living proof of what Batman with enough time can wank himself to.

Even just basic stuff like Phantom Zone BFR is enough to meme all of DBS, and that's like Batman with 5m of prep (JL runs only, Batman outside of his main run is basically a different character) + knowledge of fighting a herald lv dude.
 
Alright, so basically manga GP just causally erases batman with thought based history EE, so it doesn't matter what batman does, he's not killing GP. Also to kill GP requires batman to have some sort of high level existence erasure, or else he's not dying to any means. GP could turn batman into a baby just by looking at him if he wanted, hell, GP doesn't even have to be in the same dimension as batman to do any of these things.
Batman literally makes some ******* armor that can resist shit like Omega beams (same stuff but higher in potency) and uses a Mother Box or something to do what you legit just said.

DC's numbers are bigger bro.
 
Batman literally makes some ******* armor that can resist shit like Omega beams (same stuff but higher in potency) and uses a Mother Box or something to do what you legit just said.

DC's numbers are bigger bro.
History erasure is much greater than normal erasure, also I don't see a resistance to EE on batman's profile, so it seems that GP just thinks and batman loses.
 
History erasure is much greater than normal erasure, also I don't see a resistance to EE on batman's profile, so it seems that GP just thinks and batman loses.
Please for the love of God don't be obtuse. Batman doesn't have 99% of shit he has access to with prep listed, and tbh idk how you even would, he can access anything from the speed force to 1-A slop, his profile just covers his basic kit, and even then it's ass.

Can we not be deliberately ignorant and pretend Batman doesn't, hell, hasn't, made shit that stops stuff with much, much, greater potency? He's stopped narrative level EE before ffs (As mentioned, Omega Beams).

"Well make a CRT the-", yeah yuh huh been working on that for two years, this isn't as simple as a the bogstandard anime CRT for one addition.
 
Please for the love of God don't be obtuse. Batman doesn't have 99% of shit he has access to with prep listed, and tbh idk how you even would, he can access anything from the speed force to 1-A slop, his profile just covers his basic kit, and even then it's ass.

Can we not be deliberately ignorant and pretend Batman doesn't, hell, hasn't, made shit that stops stuff with much, much, greater potency? He's stopped narrative level EE before ffs (As mentioned, Omega Beams).

"Well make a CRT the-", yeah yuh huh been working on that for two years, this isn't as simple as a the bogstandard anime CRT for one addition.
Listen, I'm not going to go searching for stuff that isn't on his profile, we're arguing what is accepted here, and I don't read DC comics all that much. So as it stands now, GP does literally just think away batman, unless you want to close the crt and wait for shit to be upgraded. If not, my vote is on GP.
 
Yeah I don't see anything in batmans profile that would stop him from getting erased voting grand priest here
 
Listen, I'm not going to go searching for stuff that isn't on his profile, we're arguing what is accepted here, and I don't read DC comics all that much. So as it stands now, GP does literally just think away batman, unless you want to close the crt and wait for shit to be upgraded. If not, my vote is on GP.
So deliberate ignorance, that ain't my problem 🤷‍♂️

If ya'll goons want to make matches with a dude who's been in the works, but even further, give him access to literally everything via prep time, at that point stop looking at his profile and go look at the profiles of dudes like Darkseid, The Batman who Laughs, and more, because that's who he's scaling to with full prep that last dude is literally just him but without morals.
 
Listen, I'm not going to go searching for stuff that isn't on his profile, we're arguing what is accepted here, and I don't read DC comics all that much. So as it stands now, GP does literally just think away batman, unless you want to close the crt and wait for shit to be upgraded. If not, my vote is on GP.
Yeah I don't see anything in batmans profile that would stop him from getting erased voting grand priest here

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So deliberate ignorance, that ain't my problem 🤷‍♂️

If ya'll goons want to make matches with a dude who's been in the works, but even further, give him access to literally everything via prep time, at that point stop looking at his profile and go look at the profiles of dudes like Darkseid, The Batman who Laughs, and more, because that's who he's scaling to with full prep that last dude is literally just him but without morals.
It’s so like the comic book community to make stuff up and invent new rules to make their characters win.

Why would you someone use things that aren’t on the page? Plus the characters you brought up aren’t even characters aren’t even characters that would be covered via casual prep time, unless we give him literal years of prep. The characters you mentioned either lost to a specific weakness the GP wouldn’t have or in the case of the last guy it would be outside factors that no Batman in a neutral setting would have any way of reaching.

Like the last dude just stole Dr Manhattans body who clearly isn’t gonna be on the battle field with Batman.
 
It’s so like the comic book community to make stuff up and invent new rules to make their characters win.
Yep, me, the comic book community, the dude who doesn't primarily deal with manga verses, and has spent dozens of hours arguing for DBZ in major threads, such as the 4-B downgrades and other such stuff, yep, definitely me, surely can't be because I'd rather not be ignorant and pretend Batman hasn't dealt with worse.
But ok I'll remember that next time I go to bat for you DB goons, ya'll can fend for yourself ig.
Taking the Class P and 4c calc with me too 🤷‍♂️
Why would you someone use things that aren’t on the page?
Because it's outdated, bad, and doesn't even touch upon what he has access to with prep time beyond some of the famous examples? The likes of which, is being worked on, which quite a few people know but ig we like to just pretend otherwise because **** me 🗿

Why would you be deliberately ignorant if you know better would be the better question? Like the shit he can scale to with prep, some of which anyway, is accepted on their own profiles anyhow.
Plus the characters you brought up aren’t even characters aren’t even characters that would be covered via casual prep time, unless we give him literal years of prep.
Who said casual? Wtf is "casual prep time" anyway?
He still has 1-A shit laying around that he could grab within a few hours at the Hall of Justice, JL station, etc. Why would Batman "casual prep time" some cosmic entity? This isn't Bane or Mr. Freeze, he'd be treating this shit like a New God.
The characters you mentioned either lost to a specific weakness the GP wouldn’t have or in the case of the last guy it would be outside factors that no Batman in a neutral setting would have any way of reaching.
I mentioned two characters, I could name dozens, should I?

Who said neutral? Giving Batman prep time and prior knowledge voids that entirely, it's no longer neutral it's entirely skewed toward his favor, he basically has access to anything in the cosmology at that point, why? Because he has accessed basically everything in the cosmology at one point or another with enough time. Some of which he still has just locked away.
Like the last dude just stole Dr Manhattans body who clearly isn’t gonna be on the battle field with Batman.
Yeah he stole it, via using his own dimensional travel, to go to a universe where that was all set up?
It wasn't even the case for him, yet he still did it, because he had prep and the means to access it?

What, do you think prep time means "whatever Batman can find in Central Park"? And he's cut off from all his usual resources, bases, and more? At that point why even list shit like his 4-B armors, he doesn't have those on hand at all times, they're locked away in vaults.
 
Yep, me, the comic book community, the dude who doesn't primarily deal with manga verses, and has spent dozens of hours arguing for DBZ in major threads, such as the 4-B downgrades and other such stuff, yep, definitely me, surely can't be because I'd rather not be ignorant and pretend Batman hasn't dealt with worse.
But ok I'll remember that next time I go to bat for you DB goons, ya'll can fend for yourself ig.
Taking the Class P and 4c calc with me too 🤷‍♂️
If it don’t apply let it fly, but it doesn’t negate what I said.

“Y’all can go bat for yourself” 💀
Because it's outdated, bad, and doesn't even touch upon what he has access to with prep time beyond some of the famous examples? The likes of which, is being worked on, which quite a few people know but ig we like to just pretend otherwise because **** me 🗿
If that’s the case then talk about that when the revisions are made and accepted. Not before the current page is perfectly useable and it isn’t like someone is in the middle of editing his page.
Why would you be deliberately ignorant if you know better would be the better question? Like the shit he can scale to with prep, some of which anyway, is accepted on their own profiles anyhow.
Refer to what I said above
Who said casual? Wtf is "casual prep time" anyway?
He still has 1-A shit laying around that he could grab within a few hours at the Hall of Justice, JL station, etc. Why would Batman "casual prep time" some cosmic entity? This isn't Bane or Mr. Freeze, he'd be treating this shit like a New God.
Because when you say “Prep Time” most people think he has a few hours to a day at most not the literal years worth of prep it took him to beat the characters you keep bringing up.

Most the stuff he could bring would realistically not be helpful in a speed equal setting.

He can use his Nth Metal Baterangs but you’d be delusional if you think the GP wouldn’t just dodge that shit in a speed equal setting.

Any lantern rings with what ever charge wouldn’t stop the GP from just thinking bro out of existence.

Any Batsuits he may have would be to week like the Justice Buster or something he lost or doesn’t have access to outside of external sources.

Hell even with a 52U ap gap it doesn’t address the immortality and hax in question.
I mentioned two characters, I could name dozens, should I?
Sure but it would be irrelevant as your keep on bringing up stuff he can just quickly grab from the batcave. Just seems like you needed a response to this section.
Who said neutral? Giving Batman prep time and prior knowledge voids that entirely, it's no longer neutral it's entirely skewed toward his favor, he basically has access to anything in the cosmology at that point, why? Because he has accessed basically everything in the cosmology at one point or another with enough time. Some of which he still has just locked away.

Yeah he stole it, via using his own dimensional travel, to go to a universe where that was all set up?
It wasn't even the case for him, yet he still did it, because he had prep and the means to access it?

What, do you think prep time means "whatever Batman can find in Central Park"? And he's cut off from all his usual resources, bases, and more? At that point why even list shit like his 4-B armors, he doesn't have those on hand at all times, they're locked away in vaults.
No he doesn’t have access to “anything in the cosmology” via your own admission we’re assuming this is what he can get together from the Batcave in the the few hours it would take him to get there and drive his ass back lol.

Hell even TBWL would be an outlandish take. Because even with prep we assume the characters act within character. That Version of his was neurology changed via the Joker and isn’t even an accurate representation of how he’d use prep. Knowing the limited time he’d have he’d likely just cut his loses and call the Justice League to help when he realizes the difference in stats.
 
Lantern Rings resist 1-A existence erasure on their profile
Which aspects though?

Plus that’s not the only thing he can do he has Powernull and Gravity Manip with resistance negation to it.

He could just pin him on the ground and calmly remove the ring if he realizes it outscales him.
 
batman with prep scales to this guy who is 1-A
 
If it don’t apply let it fly, but it doesn’t negate what I said.
Or maybe don't be ignorant, yap about shit you have no idea what you're talking about, and generally be obnoxious? If it don't apply how about don't say it to begin with?
“Y’all can go bat for yourself” 💀
Unironically, next time KT goes to downgrade shit, or obligatory Cell downgrade, or some math shit that half the goons wouldn't even know where to begin, you can deal with that shit, no point helping goons out if I'm apparently the comic boogieman because Batman has shit that can deal with even stronger EE 🤷‍♂️
If that’s the case then talk about that when the revisions are made and accepted. Not before the current page is perfectly useable and it isn’t like someone is in the middle of editing his page.
I ain't OP, you tell them that.
People are well aware that there's DC projects. Ya'll wanna use that shit, don't complain "oh we're using a iteration of Batman that isn't even on the profile, damn guess we should ignore what he's done because-", tf do you want? You can't use something that isn't even touched upon, and then go nuh uh can't use that shit, bit of an oxymoron don't you think?
Refer to what I said above
I'm not going to be deliberately ignorant because an outdated profile doesn't list 500 million feats. We already have some of that shit accepted anyway like on DS' profile.
Because when you say “Prep Time” most people think he has a few hours to a day at most not the literal years worth of prep it took him to beat the characters you keep bringing up.
Why we lying? Weeks of prep time isn't years. In fact, the biggest amount of prep time Batman has ever had in one go, doesn't even surpass that?

And no, when people refer to Batman with prep time, they don't mean the like 1 hour he has to cook up some vaccine or make some anti Clay Face formula, especially in this context. Don't be obtuse it's obnoxious, OP is evidently using "Batman who can box cosmic dudes" prep time shit.

OP also didn't specify length of time, so why are you assuming it's only a lil bit instead of "however much prep time he wants"? Which, you'd figure would be the case when talking about the age old "Can Batman with PREP TIMEtm fight [BIG NUMBER DUDE]".
Most the stuff he could bring would realistically not be helpful in a speed equal setting.
Except ya know, speed slop, so that's cool, given he can and has tapped into the Speed Force.
Or the metric fuckton of 1-A artifacts, tech, and whatnot?

You literally shot yourself in the foot there, "most" isn't "all". If even just 10 of the 100 things he could whip out would work, that's 10 things that would work, ie, not 0, so it's a pointless topic.
He can use his Nth Metal Baterangs but you’d be delusional if you think the GP wouldn’t just dodge that shit in a speed equal setting.
Batman unironically outskills but that's beside the point.
Why is Batman bringing Nth Metal to fight a 1-C? Why wouldn't he use things like Mother Boxes, Boom Tubes, magic, speed force shit, hell various things like White or Black Lantern Rings even would be more useful than a Nth Batarang.
Any lantern rings with what ever charge wouldn’t stop the GP from just thinking bro out of existence.
Except White but ya know
Also, like, isn't it odd how we're ignoring various passives Batman could set up? Mind hax, or even just stuff that makes him imperceptible (and I don't just mean invisible, like have fun ki sensing that shit when not even Supes can pick up on it).

But yep, Batman doesn't have access to any of the stuff he'd be able to grab with prep, no magic amulets, no dimensional wavelength slop, none of the on visual contact incap, etc 🤷‍♂️
Any Batsuits he may have would be to week like the Justice Buster or something he lost or doesn’t have access to outside of external sources.
"External sources", I wouldn't call various JL bases, external sources when he owns them.
"Something he lost", just remake it?

Also Justice Buster I wouldn't even call sufficient prep, he was forced into that thing on the fly. It was ready made, and it worked to solo all of them except Supes. In which he tied with. Having dedicated prep time knowing he's going into that fight and when, isn't quite the same as "try to incap your friend with an armor".
Hell even with a 52U ap gap it doesn’t address the immortality and hax in question.
Phantom Zone alone is BFR GP can't come back from. Worst part is he could easily circumvent that, he's made shit to kill New Gods, which would work just fine on GP. GP also for some reason lacks a lot of resistances? Not even having decent mind hax res is pretty awful all things considered.
Sure but it would be irrelevant as your keep on bringing up stuff he can just quickly grab from the batcave. Just seems like you needed a response to this section.
Phantom Zone slop is unironically something he has in the Batcave.
No he doesn’t have access to “anything in the cosmology” via your own admission we’re assuming this is what he can get together from the Batcave in the the few hours it would take him to get there and drive his ass back lol.
What? Since when did you make up the rules?

If his ass has preptime, anything he's made before should be fair game, why wouldn't it be? He could just make it again?
At that point don't even include Nth Metal shit, he doesn't always have it on hand, why assume he can go grab it?

If he has access to it, can get access to it, and doesn't need outside help to get it (like say, asking Supes to go grab some shit from 50 galaxies away), it should be fine. Whether it's locked away in the Hall of Justice, Batcave, Watch Tower, or some other place, if it's his shit, why would we ignore it?

Me saying he has shit laying around in the Batcave, doesn't exempt all his other resources and prep he has to work with.
Hell even TBWL would be an outlandish take. Because even with prep we assume the characters act within character. That Version of his was neurology changed via the Joker and isn’t even an accurate representation of how he’d use prep.
TBWL is just him without a moral compass, they say time and time again, that he's identical to the main Batman, and the main Batman could do everything he could, the only thing stopping him is his morals.

So, yeah, Batman isn't gonna systematically gut whole universes, why would he anyway, he just needs to fend off or incap a single dude? But it does tell us some of what he has access to and can get ahold of as the initial resources were identical between them.
Knowing the limited time he’d have he’d likely just cut his loses and call the Justice League to help when he realizes the difference in stats.
Real quick, where, in this thread, does it say he only has a few hours of prep time? Why are you arbitrarily limiting, hell even restricting, what he'd be able to cook up or even just go grab?
 
Lantern Rings resist 1-A existence erasure on their profile
Not even the feat I was thinking of but damn cool, that's 3 1-A EE res feats Batman would scale to with prep 🤷‍♂️
This is why I said check dude's Batman would scale to, they'd probably actually have the feats in question (y)
 
Plus that’s not the only thing he can do he has Powernull and Gravity Manip with resistance negation to it.

He could just pin him on the ground and calmly remove the ring if he realizes it outscales him.
Batman has comparable will power to the upper-tier Green Lanterns, meaning that if he had one, he would essentially just be like slightly weaker Hal Jordan, who resists all of this and out scales Grand Priest

Which aspects though?

Pretty sure the COIE erased the multiverse and history so like way above Grand Priest

Btw whose page did you pull this from?

There's a page dedicated to Lantern Rings
 
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