Battle between 11-A triangles

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Edwardtruong2006 That right there implies it isn't passive.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

it isn't anything like tech manip where the compter can't handle it

it is the equivalent of having the deadlights shown to you on a computer screen, you would just die

or the thing from bird box being shown on a screen, you just go crazy

also if the screen does break, then the software is rendered useless and techincally bill wins but again, it doesn't work like that

 

[Jinsye]

of course it's not (why do you think Bill didn't win against Asriel)

but it is sight based.

 

[The_Smashor]

@Totallynotchewbacca

If humans can't precieve it without going crazy, what makes you think a 64 bit monitor can handle it?

The software is rendered useless. Then Bill and Alan are just sitting there going "Well, that happened".

@Edward

That quote makes me think that it's very much not combat applicable.

 

[Jinsye]

>very much not combat applicable

I didn't know it takes him that long to exist.

I'd also think it would be in-character for Bill to be like

"Hey do you wanna hear a joke?"

forms some horrifying madness shit

"haha"

 

[The_Smashor]

One peak into his dimension. I.E. he has to open a portal or something.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

Smashor, I don't think it works like that (i could be wrong), again using birdbox as an example, the cameras and computers were able to render such a horrifying monster. Should be relatively the same here

also it is the cursor that is fighting bill, the reason he would want the dude dead is so that he can destroy the cursor with no chance of it coming back. So if the software is rendered useless, then yeah he wins

 

[Jinsye]

Umm

He says Fiddleford went crazy by just seeing him feed.

He requires either a portal or a dream to see Bill in that form.

 

[The_Smashor]

So, does Bill just randomly eat in character? For once 4th wall breaking is useful so he'll see Alen there, but he also has Alan's entire computer trying to take him down (Because if Bill isn't considered a virus to a computer, I don't know what would be)

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

It is implied that he planned that but he could do a number of things

point is, he has the hax he needs to subdue this guy then kill the cursor

 

[The_Smashor]

Actaully all Bill has to do is destroy the computer icon. I'm starting to think this is somewhat stompish.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

the thing can win, it is just that bill has the means to end it before it ends him

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

bump

 

[Mickey1940]

can't Alan throw his comp out the window and call it a day

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

He has never done this before, so it is unlikely he will now

 

[Mickey1940]

If Bill can't affect his 10B form, then Alan could win even after his avatar in his comp is destroyed by destroying the computer

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Bil has affected 3D beings before in his 2D key. Pretty sure that isn't a problem

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

this is bill vs the mouse hence why it is stated to be the 11-A key, he just needs to get rid of the mouse permamently or disable somehow

 

[Mickey1940]

I'm pretty sure the reason why Fiddleford went insane is because of the Nightmare Realm, not because of Bill himself. On his page it says that he has resistance to Madness Manip for this reason.

Since this fight is going on in Alan's comp and not in the real world, dreamescape, or Nightmare Dimension, Bill doesn't exactly have a way to affect Alan himself. Thus, even if the cursor is destroyed (which isn't going to stop him from making another one), he can just destroy the computer if need be

Correct me if I'm wrong, though. I am saying this through reading his page only. I have never actually watched the series

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Bill literally states that Fiddleford went insane because he saw him feeding, so him being driven to madness only by the Nightmare Realm makes no sense.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

Mickey1940, Bill needs to destroy the mouse only, that is it

 

[Mickey1940]

Mickey1940, Bill needs to destroy the mouse only, that is it

and all Alan needs to do is destroy his own computer

The animator within the computer isn't going to get stomped by Bill, he's going to give bill quite a fight. So destroying the mouse is no easy task. Alan, on the other hand, only needs to punch his computer to kill Bill. Although his 11A form would also be destroyed, Bill still dies, while Alan's "true self" would still exist, which should count as a victory.

Bill literally states that Fiddleford went insane because he saw him feeding, so him being driven to madness only by the Nightmare Realm makes no sense.

read his page

Resistance to Madness Manipulation (One peek into the Nightmare Realm drove Fiddleford briefly insane. Bill lived there for 1 trillion years. Bill called Fiddleford's mind weak despite having the mental protecting metal plate)

This would imply that he wasn't the thing that drove Fiddleford insane.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

Mickey, it isn't in character for him to just punch his computer and it wouldn't even garantee a win

If bill destroys the mouse, he wins, if this was 10-B Alan then your explanation would be more valid but as of now he only needs to kill the mouse

 

[Mickey1940]

Mickey, it isn't in character for him to just punch his computer and it wouldn't even garantee a win
If bill destroys the mouse, he wins, if this was 10-B Alan then your explanation would be more valid but as of now he only needs to kill the mouse

fair enough

How far is Allan into 11A (possibly a stupid question)?

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

I don't know but it was determined that Bill has the highest AP for 11-A (He destroyed the entire second dimension)

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

But it wouldn't matter

the whole argument was that bill (ironicly enough) would maddness manip Alan and subdue him or destroy the monitor with the first option allowing bill to destroy the mouse without chance of it coming back and the second option just rendering the software useless essentially killing the mouse

 

[Mickey1940]

Does Bill have ay useful hax against the Animator in his 11A form?

and can he counter the Animator's Low Godly regen, summoning, and Existence Erasure?

 

[Mickey1940]

But it wouldn't matter
the whole argument was that bill (ironicly enough) would maddness manip Alan and subdue him or destroy the monitor with the first option allowing bill to destroy the mouse without chance of it coming back and the second option just rendering the software useless essentially killing the mouse

1. Can someone clear up the madness manip part? It says on his page that the Nightmare Realm was the thing that causes Madness Manip, therefore he would have Resistance to Madness Manip, and his only explanation for having MM is using rainbow bubble things that wouldn't have much effect on the in-comp Animator

2. How would Bill know that he needs to destroy the monitor?

3. None of Bill's dreamscape hax would work on the Animator if it can't affect real-world Allan, which essentially eliminates a large majority of Bill's hax. What else can Bill do to the mouse itself other than punch it and stuff?


Worst-case scenario Allan gets sleep-deprived trying to get rid of Bill and just snaps it over his knee, making it Incon

 

[QrowBarr]

He causes madness through his madness bubbles and his true name can drive people insane, but he has only used them in Low 2-C key and the latter is not something he'd use in-character.

Also Low-Godly is actually ressurection, and Alan needs to use it manually (which Bill can prevent by wreaking havoc in his computer and destroying his toolbar. Which the ViraBot was able to accomplish)

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

Bill does have maddness manip, he just needs to say his name or just start eating (in the dreepy way) or just make a portal to the nightmare realm and show him whats inside

or he can just destroy the software

 

[QrowBarr]

Yeah that's not something he does in-character.

But yeah, either Bill prevents Alan to ress (which counts as incap) or tries to break his computer (keyword here "tries")

 

[Mickey1940]

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The Madness Bubbles have no way to reach 10B Allan. Thus, his mind will still be intact. The cursor has no mind of it's own

Bill neither says his real name nor starts eating nor opens a portal to the Nightmare Realm in-character, just like how it's not in-character for Allan to wreck his computer

I don't see how Bill can even prevent Allan from resurrecting. I mean, the Second Coming was probably perfectly capable of doing the same thing Virabot did, but instead he chose to ignore it like he wasn't there and draw some pictures.

 

[QrowBarr]

If the Nightmare realm was the one inducing MM then Ford in his years being in there should've gone completely bonkers, and also the comment bill made strictly implies that HE'S the done that induced MM. Just saying.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

Mickey, bill has mind reading and fourth wall awareness

if he knows of Allen and what he can do then he will surely use what he needs to get rid of him

whenever presented with a true threat, bill always goes for the kill immediately

 

[Mickey1940]

Mickey, bill has mind reading and fourth wall awareness
if he knows of Allen and what he can do then he will surely use what he needs to get rid of him

whenever presented with a true threat, bill always goes for the kill immediately

fair enough, but it still doesn't mean he can interact with allan himself. Every character in AvA has 4th wall awareness, and they can't do anything with that ability. Bill doesn't have a way to breach the second dimension to reach Allan

although the mind reading is still valid.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

But that is because they don't have the means to access allen

Bill has stated he can travel to different universes in the mind scape, he can go make a deal in Allens mind where he can then destroy the mouse without question. Or once he knows of Allen he can immediately say his name or just show him a portal of a dimension that makes him go crazy

so in short, Bill has ways to affect him whether it is teleporting to his mindscape or just showing/saying something that makes him go crazy

either way, he has ways to destroy the mouse without question

 

[Mickey1940]

But that is because they don't have the means to access allen
Bill has stated he can travel to different universes in the mind scape, he can go make a deal in Allens mind where he can then destroy the mouse without question. Or once he knows of Allen he can immediately say his name or just show him a portal of a dimension that makes him go crazy

so in short, Bill has ways to affect him whether it is teleporting to his mindscape or just showing/saying something that makes him go crazy

either way, he has ways to destroy the mouse without question

1. He can't send Allan himself to the mindscape. He can't just appear in the 3rd dimension and yeet into his mind. He can only enter Allan's mind if Allan shakes his hand and lets him in, which isn't something allan is gonna do

2. Allan can just mute his comp, so he can't hear Bill's name

3. It's not like the mouse is just gonna stand there and wait for Allan to get mindhaxxed. The mouse does have potent abilities of it's own

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

1. He can enter people's mindscapes regardless of dimension or being 3-D as shown by the fact that he has appeared in the mindscape of many of the GF characters without permission. The deal is just to possess them, he can mess with their mind without any consent asshown by him going through stans mind without a deal.

2. he wouldn't know to do this

3. If Bill subdues the mouse, he can maddness hax just fine

he can also just bfr the mouse and call it a day

 

[Mickey1940]

alright then.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

so what do you vote then?