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The purpose of this CRT is to get these following pages to be accepted:

1: Explanation page
This page is to explain the game mechanic and various of it's abilities inside the game, as well as many more game mechanics that are tied to the lore. It is an extremely important and is crucial for the verse with various things that needs checking before being officially used.

2: Cosmology page
This page is to explain the general scaling of the verse, especially for higher dimensional stuff so this really need many mods to take a close look at, especially when there are Hyperversal and High Complex Multi scaling in there.

3: Character profiles
As there are a bunch of character profiles some are tied to the dimensional scaling mentioned (and most importantly, the in-verse abilities mentioned in the explanation page), this also need mod's approval before being used. Note that some profile might lack approved calcs, so obviously it will only be applied when the calcs got accepted.
Also, Filibuster's profile will replace this one
Gravi's profile (for the speed rating that scales with most characters here)

-Explanation page

Agree:
@FinePoint, @ActuallySpaceMan42, @Re5yh

Disagree:

Neutral:

-Cosmology page

Agree:
@Re5yh, @FinePoint

Disagree:

Neutral:

-Character profiles

Agree:
@Re5yh

Disagree:

Neutral:
 
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The explanation page and new profiles look generally well supported and structured, and I have a policy of not nitpicking too hard on projects this large for the sake of progress, so I'll give those my approval.

Instead, I will focus mostly on the cosmology, and the tiering which results.

Up to Low 1-C everything seems generally fine, even though I'm skeptical of scaling to a random 5-D cube.

First off, I don't think Zero World should directly scale above the previous rating, but rather the "normal" one, and should also just be 5-D via being above spacetime, and I don't really see how it gets any higher dimensional after that point, and I don't think having differently colored portals is valid reason to assume we're climbing them either. I also don't think it's a good idea to just assume a "far higher" dimension refers to 3 higher as opposed to 1. Also both sage descriptions talk about "the world" not "this world" so I'm assuming they mean the normal 4D world. And changing that phrase to "all that ever was" isn't a valid reason to assume a higher dimension either.

So, in conclusion, it seems to me that the verse actually reasonably caps at 5D (Low 1-C) and maybe 6D (1-C) for Gaia, and I'd need some serious convincing to say otherwise.
 
The explanation page and new profiles look generally well supported and structured, and I have a policy of not nitpicking too hard on projects this large for the sake of progress, so I'll give those my approval.

Instead, I will focus mostly on the cosmology, and the tiering which results.

Up to Low 1-C everything seems generally fine, even though I'm skeptical of scaling to a random 5-D cube.

First off, I don't think Zero World should directly scale above the previous rating, but rather the "normal" one, and should also just be 5-D via being above spacetime, and I don't really see how it gets any higher dimensional after that point, and I don't think having differently colored portals is valid reason to assume we're climbing them either. I also don't think it's a good idea to just assume a "far higher" dimension refers to 3 higher as opposed to 1. Also both sage descriptions talk about "the world" not "this world" so I'm assuming they mean the normal 4D world. And changing that phrase to "all that ever was" isn't a valid reason to assume a higher dimension either.

So, in conclusion, it seems to me that the verse actually reasonably caps at 5D (Low 1-C) and maybe 6D (1-C) for Gaia, and I'd need some serious convincing to say otherwise.
Zero world was stated to transcends dimensions (as the same "transcends" that would normally grant low 1-A had the dimensionality meta isn't still there), as opposed to Babel who surpass dimensions as well as Gaia also being heavily 5-D based on the symbolic design alone supported by Babel as stated.

And to note that Zero world is the latest world of the game, stated as "a whole new world" as opposed to everything we've seen so far, and that's not counting Izanagi and Izanami who descends from the superdimension (who also came after Gaia and Babel as they are the newest legend rares), so "all that ever was" was not the only reason, the main thing that made them that strong was because:

-they are the 2 most important gods in Japanese myth

-they are the 2 most special legend rares

-as opposed to other legend rares, this is the first time the term "super dimension" or "a high dimension" was ever used, opposed to "extradimension" or "4th dimension" for normal legend rares, or "surpassing dimensions" for Babel. They are clearly special.

"Far higher" could mean many things, sure. But as I explained what it means in Japanese, at least it should be 2 higher (I accept that 3 might be pushing it too far, yes), one of them even has "the one with immeasurable power" in his stage. The 3 leaps might be too much, but I doubt it should only be 1. And yes you're right, the term "gensei" means the current/living world, so based on my logic they should only be 1 dimension higher than the current Zero World layer, and I'll stand my ground that they should be higher than the Zero World at that point, because they explicitly stated that they exists on a far higher dimension as opposed to just "the zero world", though take this as how you might, I won't make the final decision on this one after all.

So let me summarize it for you:

1: Gaia + Babel (Babel who surpasses dimensions and reigns over hyperspace, having crystal the size bigger than any other units in the game), combine with the fact that 4th dimensional crystals are a thing from even some very first legend rares, means that 6-D spacetime is valid, that you agreed.

2: Zero world is a great deal, this is the first time Ponos has ever pushed to us the word "far higher dimension" or "superdimension", or even "the edge of spacetime" as it's ever been about time travel and space conquering as the theme, and battle cats has never once stop and go around to the same place again, they went from the earth, the future, the cosmos, the ancient past to higher dimensions. Another fact I forgot to mention which is my bad, is that Izanagi was released in the same patch as Sage of Mind, you could easily find that when you search "Miraheze Izanagi" and go on the top of their page, they both came out in ver 13.1 as the very first conjurers in the game. For these reasons, I can't possibly place Gaia on a higher tier than either of them, nor putting her in the same tier as them. These are crucial points I forgot to add in.

3: Battle cats, especially Japan version, is very careful with their wording (and most scans I got is from there). You can find most legend rare units, like Jeanne or the one I gave as a scan, coming from the 4th dimension. As scarce as the lore is, I take each words very seriously as that's a must, so if they decided to change the wording completely and move to a new meta, I would also take that very seriously as well.

So finally, my propose is that:

6-D multiverse -> 7-D Zero World -> 8-D after the edge of spacetime due to transcending time (whether this is valid or not I'll wait for your input) -> 9-D high rank sages at the least (or 10-D based on what you may accept) -> 10-D Izanagi and Izanami (or 11-D based on what you might accept)

If you ask for scans of any of the above, I'll provide once I got home, but if you need to verify any of them, just search any of the term above or the unit's name and Miraheze with battle cats and you'll get the result.

That's all I'll have to say for now, you helped me a lot, thank you.
 
3: Battle cats, especially Japan version, is very careful with their wording (and most scans I got is from there). You can find most legend rare units, like Jeanne or the one I gave as a scan, coming from the 4th dimension. As scarce as the lore is, I take each words very seriously as that's a must, so if they decided to change the wording completely and move to a new meta, I would also take that very seriously as well.
Well, I'm not a Japanese expert. Since this hinges on that a lot, we should contact a translation helper who knows Japanese to help out here and confirm.
 
Well, I'm not a Japanese expert. Since this hinges on that a lot, we should contact a translation helper who knows Japanese to help out here and confirm.
If you know anyone like that, I hope you could help me. Thank you again.

About the edge of spacetime thing, do you have any opinion with it, I mean gaining 1 dimension higher by transcending time I mean. I'm not an expert on thay one so it has been the most difficult thing to decide on for me.
 
If you know anyone like that, I hope you could help me. Thank you again.

About the edge of spacetime thing, do you have any opinion with it, I mean gaining 1 dimension higher by transcending time I mean. I'm not an expert on thay one so it has been the most difficult thing to decide on for me.
I'd say with some additional context transcending time could definitely be 5D.

I'll see who I can contact.
 
I also want to ask, as you can see in the cosmology page, all cats will have a key scaling to the Zero World standard, and as you can also see I haven't got it done yet. Do Tier 1-C/High 1-C profiles need a crt? If so I'll have to do it quick.
 
I also want to ask, as you can see in the cosmology page, all cats will have a key scaling to the Zero World standard, and as you can also see I haven't got it done yet. Do Tier 1-C/High 1-C profiles need a crt? If so I'll have to do it quick.
According to the Editing Rules:
Blogs for 2-A or higher tier and particularly controversial powers will be subject to extra scrutiny and will need the approval of staff members.
 
Alright, then I guess when we've settled on the scaling, I'll do it quickly enough. Should I also try to seek help from a translation helper too or you've got it already?

Also, should I count you for agree on the explanation page?
There's some small things like "Immunity" should be "Resistance", and I'm not sure what our standards are for measuring temperature close to the big bang, as well as the obvious implications of the cosmology.

Otherwise, it seems generally fine.
 
There's some small things like "Immunity" should be "Resistance", and I'm not sure what our standards are for measuring temperature close to the big bang, as well as the obvious implications of the cosmology.

Otherwise, it seems generally fine.
I've fixed all of those now. I'll count your vote as agree then.
 
I'll post the main things that the translation helper will need to help with down here:
transcending dimensions in JP ver (scans for high lord babel, I need help with the "transcending dimensions" part)
Four dimensional Crystal scans
Zero World transcends dimensions (the Kanji used is different from Babel's) (I need you to compare this to babel's)
Far higher dimension scan for Soractes (Need help explaining "far higher" and "this world")
Izanagi scans for "superdimension" (need help for "superdimension")
 
Would you like full translations? or just specific explanations for those parts you need help on

Like the "Four dimensional Crystal scans" says nothing... so?
 
Would you like full translations? or just specific explanations for those parts you need help on

Like the "Four dimensional Crystal scans" says nothing... so?
full is cool, but I'd rather you focusing on what's important (if there is) outside of the things I gave you. Otherwise just what I need help with that's all. Four dimensional scans is just there for extra context, it's pretty self-explanatory already so don't really need to do anything with it.
 
transcending dimensions in JP ver (scans for high lord babel, I need help with the "transcending dimensions" part)

Zero World transcends dimensions (the Kanji used is different from Babel's) (I need you to compare this to babel's)
(その破壊力は次元を超え So no hakairyoku wa jigen o koe) = That/its destructive power surpasses dimensions

Zero World has (次元を超越した世界へ Jigen o chōetsu shita sekai he) which is "a world transcending dimensions"


Note: While the term (超える Koeru) CAN indeed refer to fully transcending. It by itself doesn't usually doesn't define that, more so of "Surpassing/crossing over".
But if in the same subject on another sentence has (超越 Chōetsu) equated to it. Then that previous term can be accepted as Transcending, as the latter term is much more direct, and so it would be more consistent.

Far higher dimension scan for Soractes (Need help explaining "far higher" and "this world")
(遥か高位の異次元 Haruka kōi no ijigen) = "A far superior other-dimension"
  (遥か Haruka) an adverb indicating an immense difference in distance
  (高位 Kōi) meaning of higher status or position
  (から現世 kara gense) "から kara" is a particle that indicates a point of origin or comparison. Hence the "from" meaning of it
  ("現世 Gense" means ''this present world')

Izanagi scans for "superdimension" (need help for "superdimension")
(超次元より舞い降りた始まりの存在 Chōjigen yori mai orita hajimari no sonzai) = The origin of a being/existence that descended from a superdimension/transdimension
  (超次元 Chōjigen) can mean a superdimension or higher dimension
 
(その破壊力は次元を超え So no hakairyoku wa jigen o koe) = That/its destructive power surpasses dimensions

Zero World has (次元を超越した世界へ Jigen o chōetsu shita sekai he) which is "a world transcending dimensions"


Note: While the term (超える Koeru) CAN indeed refer to fully transcending. It by itself doesn't usually doesn't define that, more so of "Surpassing/crossing over".
But if in the same subject on another sentence has (超越 Chōetsu) equated to it. Then that previous term can be accepted as Transcending, as the latter term is much more direct, and so it would be more consistent.


(遥か高位の異次元 Haruka kōi no ijigen) = "A far superior other-dimension"
  (遥か Haruka) an adverb indicating an immense difference in distance
  (高位 Kōi) meaning of higher status or position
  (から現世 kara gense) "から kara" is a particle that indicates a point of origin or comparison. Hence the "from" meaning of it
  ("現世 Gense" means ''this present world')


(超次元より舞い降りた始まりの存在 Chōjigen yori mai orita hajimari no sonzai) = The origin of a being/existence that descended from a superdimension/transdimension
  (超次元 Chōjigen) can mean a superdimension or higher dimension
Thanks for the help, also I want you to elaborate on the last scan, about the Kanji 超, how much weight does it have usually?
 
I want to ask 1 thing FinePoint, about the edge of spacetime, I put it above 1 dimension due to transcending time, but the Zero World already transcends dimensions (or in this case would just be all 5 spatial dimensions), then could being above spacetime granting 2 jumps instead of 1?

And furthermore, higher-dimensional worlds do exists even before the Zero World, Head mistress Jeanne transfered from a 4-dimensional Academy for example (lots of legend rares also came from "another dimension" or "realm, like Legeluga in JP version for example), so "spacetime" wouldn't be constrained to just the 3-dimensional world.

With these, should it be 2 dimensions above whatever the baseline Zero World scales to instead of just 1?

Edit: I noticed that Babel's profile was missing, so I added it in
 
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(その破壊力は次元を超え So no hakairyoku wa jigen o koe) = That/its destructive power surpasses dimensions

Zero World has (次元を超越した世界へ Jigen o chōetsu shita sekai he) which is "a world transcending dimensions"


Note: While the term (超える Koeru) CAN indeed refer to fully transcending. It by itself doesn't usually doesn't define that, more so of "Surpassing/crossing over".
But if in the same subject on another sentence has (超越 Chōetsu) equated to it. Then that previous term can be accepted as Transcending, as the latter term is much more direct, and so it would be more consistent.
So does this imply Zero World is above dimensionality in general (Low 1-A) or just the typical ones included in spacetime (Low 1-C)?
 
So does this imply Zero World is above dimensionality in general (Low 1-A) or just the typical ones included in spacetime (Low 1-C)?
That's honestly completely up to interpretation

Thanks for the help, also I want you to elaborate on the last scan, about the Kanji 超, how much weight does it have usually?
About the Izanagi scan?

If so, its super direct in that its a superdimension or a hyperdimension. Whichever you prefer
 
That's honestly completely up to interpretation
Alright, thank you so much.

And furthermore, higher-dimensional worlds do exists even before the Zero World, Head mistress Jeanne transfered from a 4-dimensional Academy for example (lots of legend rares also came from "another dimension" or "realm, like Legeluga in JP version for example), so "spacetime" wouldn't be constrained to just the 3-dimensional world.
Spacetime already refers to 4 dimensions, so being above that is 5D by default, yes.
 
So does this imply Zero World is above dimensionality in general (Low 1-A) or just the typical ones included in spacetime (Low 1-C)?
Normally it is Low 1-A, but it seems battle cats still use the dimensionality meta, well, unless "the edge of spacetime" actually means what it means, and Soractes/Nyuton and Izanagi is just literally from "a far higher plane", but that of course is for another day.
Spacetime already refers to 4 dimensions, so being above that is 5D by default, yes.
Yeah, but my point is that "spacetime" here might refer to higher dimensional space too. The Zero World is already a world that transcends dimensions as I said, the Edge of Spacetime is literally right after the baseline of Zero World (or Zero Field), we also have confirmation of higher dimensional space/realms, so with all of that, I was wondering:

Normally, being above spacetime without further context is 5D

Now, being above spacetime with these context, would grants 2 jumps above whatever-D it is currently.

Am I right?

Also, with all the translations from Apotheosis69, what's your opinion on the scaling I made now?
 
Normally it is Low 1-A, but it seems battle cats still use the dimensionality meta, well, unless "the edge of spacetime" actually means what it means, and Soractes/Nyuton and Izanagi is just literally from "a far higher plane", but that of course is for another day.

Yeah, but my point is that "spacetime" here might refer to higher dimensional space too. The Zero World is already a world that transcends dimensions as I said, the Edge of Spacetime is literally right after the baseline of Zero World (or Zero Field), we also have confirmation of higher dimensional space/realms, so with all of that, I was wondering:

Normally, being above spacetime without further context is 5D

Now, being above spacetime with these context, would grants 2 jumps above whatever-D it is currently.

Am I right?

Also, with all the translations from Apotheosis69, what's your opinion on the scaling I made now?
I suppose in this context, it might be 6D (maybe), but I'm still not sure how you're getting all the way up to 10D and stuff.
 
I suppose in this context, it might be 6D (maybe), but I'm still not sure how you're getting all the way up to 10D and stuff.
Eh, I'll summarize it for you again:

Base world 4-D spacetime
Through legend rares (like Jeanne) we have the existence of 4-D worlds and most direct are the tesseracts -> 5-D spacetime

Babel surpassing dimensions + Gaia (with the whole symbolistic design and a 5-D cube in the center of the World tree full of tesseract on it's leaves) -> 6-D spacetime

Baseline Zero World (for now) is 100% 7-D, unless it's revealed that we've never reached the Zero World yet, then it would be Low 1-A (which there will be at least 1 sage that'll scale to in the future, but that's the future). Apotheosis already said that the "transcends dimensions" that the Zero World has is really direct, and the Zero World is refered to as "a whole new world"

Edge of Spacetime -> beyond this point is 8-D or 9-D (currently I'm lowballing it at 8-D, but it could get to 9-D based on what the "space" here is, I personally think if we're going with this scaling, it should be 9-D)

High ranking Sages -> Far higher dimension (where "far" in here is of an immense distance, like Apotheosis said) -> Depends on what "this world" is, I personally think it should be the Zero World due to how they're written, even in the English version it was written as "different realm", rather than just the Zero World. -> 10,11 or even 12-D depends on how generous vsbattle is. Personally I think 11-D fits them the most, due to how they're all science and stuff

Izanagi and Izanami from the "superdimension" in JP version and "higher plane" in the EN version, precedes and the end of all existence itself is at least 1-D higher than the high ranking sages.

That's how I got it to about 10-D and above. So I'm asking you for your full thought on each part of this scaling (well, they're already fully in the Cosmology page, all the scans and further reasoning I mean)

"dimensions" for legend rares, unless specified to be just a "different dimension", are always referring to "higher dimension" as that's their whole meta, being 4th dimensional and stuff (for normal ones), or simply just borrowing energies from the tesseracts (which are confirmed to be 4-dimensional). The Sages are clear enough with their whole "higher" and stuff. I think this scaling should be solid for now, the only 2 iffy parts are the edge of spacetime and where I should put the high ranking sages at that is all.
 
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Again, I think you're assuming each statement of higher is in reference to the previous thing without much reason, as opposed to them all being 5D or 6D and referring to the normal world.
 
Again, I think you're assuming each statement of higher is in reference to the previous thing without much reason, as opposed to them all being 5D or 6D and referring to the normal world.
My reason is quite simple: It's the meta.

First are the legend rares (most of them) came out before the Zero World (with the exception as mentioned, the 2 new meta being Izanagi and Izanami).

Gaia is actually the 2nd lastest legend rare that's before Izanagi, coming out in version 8.7, making her all the more important with the whole new meta (of course up to here you're still fine with it)

Then here comes why I'm stacking everything up:

Zero World is clearly 7-D, "a world that transcends dimensions" that came out as the new meta of the game, referred to as "a whole new world" and "world of beginnings"... While still being on the same level as Gaia? Obviously no way.

Izanagi and Soractes, both introducing also a new meta, being the first 2 conjurers who has statement of being from a "far higher dimension" or "superdimension", which are literally unseen before, and both came from the same patch and furthermore, Soractes literally introduces to the game a new enemy typing, a whole new meta for the game and being the hardest boss the game ever has at that point, while Izanagi is the first Uberfest Legend Rare (or just a really special banner's legend rare), they impacts the game in a really huge way. That speaks weight.

Especially Izanagi. Gaia is just a creator god that created the world through the power of Mana, while Izanagi was literally "the prelude of all that ever was", who is also the creator deity of the Japanese myth, and guess what? The game is made by Japanese with tons of Japanese reference, no way they're putting Izanagi on the same level as Gaia, not after introducing all those stuff mentioned...

Summary:

"Why is Zero world 7-D at baseline?" Because it's the new meta that "transcends dimensions". You don't put a new meta on the same level as an old meta that has been in the game for literally years.

"Why the Edge of Spacetime stacks it to 9-D?" Going by logic of course, the cats are on the Zero World, obviously the "space" here is 6-D, based on what we scaled of course, time is self explanatory.

"Why the High ranking sages must also scale beyond this?" This one is valid, you could argue that they does not, but we could argue on this one further if you want to.

"Why must Izanagi scale beyond everything else here?" Because he is the prelude of all that ever was, descended from a "superdimension", the lore indicates that he is clearly superior than most, and he's introduced at the same time as a high ranking sage that literally exists on a "far higher dimension". The weight of these "far higher" and stuff Apotheosis already explained enough. Obiously Izanagi can't be on the same level as Gaia at the least.

The way I decide whether to stack stuff up is like this: If it comes out later, introduce new meta in words choice and in lore and if they have a huge impact to the game or not, what are the lore trying to say to us, etc... All of that is what decides where they scale, for example:

Izanagi: Prelude of all that ever was -> Beyond the whole verse (the appearance of the first truly special legend rare, changes the game with the conjure mechanic, is a god of beginning that is "the prelude of all that ever was", is THE creator god of Japanese myth in a Japanese game that well respects Japanese culture, came out same time as a high ranking sage and the very first sage enemy, introducing THE new hardest meta for the game, also being the hardest boss the game had at the time, whose lore introduce the new meta being "far higher dimension" and obviously, the new theme of "Sages")

Battle God Odin: Kingdom that transcends all of existence -> 4-D (Came out in a long forgotten PC version of the game, has no lore weight, 0 relevancy)

You can see how the game portrays an actual important and a true god compare to a whatevercharacter on a whatever version of the game, the former has everything, even the entrance is of the perfect time, while the latter has nothing.

I think for a game like battle cats where all the lore you'd get are restrained by 4 lines of descriptions for units/enemies and stage names, you either take them and try different way to make sense out of them, or you heavily downplay it by ignoring everything, and I chose the first choice, and I think that's a pretty reasonable way to scale. So that's all I got to say, what's your opinion on this?
 
I think that's pretty reliant on game mechanics, rarities, and release dates.

Objectively, these descriptions aren't directly connected, they're per-unit- so I don't think we can just string them together as if statements in order without further context which confirms that.

Given the nature of Battle Cats and the way they describe things, it really wouldn't surprise me if it went as high as Low 1-A, but I don't think we have sufficient proof to say for sure. Due to the ambiguity in the Japanese, perhaps we could give Zero World a "Possibly Low 1-A" or something like that.
 
I think that's pretty reliant on game mechanics, rarities, and release dates.

Objectively, these descriptions aren't directly connected, they're per-unit- so I don't think we can just string them together as if statements in order without further context which confirms that.
Well, I think I'll have to get to lore consistency next on this one (for JP version, sometimes EN version could help with it):

1: The normal Legend Rares and the "other worldly" and "4th-dimensional" meta (lore wise)
- Legend Rares with "a different dimension"/"interdimensional" (consistently using "異次元") meta : Doktor Heaven (in EN version is "extradimensional"), Ushiwakamaru, Miyamoto Musashi, Legeluga, Momoco, Kyosaka Nanaho -> Lore-wise these legend rares belongs to Gacha banners that doesn't have as much creation/destruction/godly type lore as the other.

- The normal Legend Rares with the "4th-dimensional" (consistently using "四次元") meta: Jeanne (4-dimensional Academy), Muu (4-dimensional crystal) -> Galaxy Gals are the direct counter units for the High ranking sages (with their Ultra Form coming out at the exact time a new high ranking sage appears just to counter them) so gameplay-wise they holds a special position, while Muu comes from a banner with mass destruction weapons.

2: Special Legend Rares with lore being either "surpassing dimension" (Apotheosis explained), "the origin of everything" or "who have created the world": Babel, Lumina, Gaia -> Lords of destruction/Elemental Pixies who governs the elements of the world (most of them also being galaxy busters)/Literal Gods. Lumina's design also has a symbol that's strikingly similar to Izanagi's crystal.

You can see that the word choice reflects who they are in the most literal way possible. Lower tier legend rares who merely borrows the power of the crystals vs beings that either literally became one with them (Babel), Lumina who born with them or Gaia who is the literal creator God all have power to control the world itself. Well there is an exception being Legeluga (but everything in that banner is kept mysterious lore-wise for they being literal SCPs so we don't talk about them).

Now we have Izanagi and Izanami, let's go over them again:
Izanagi: 超次元より舞い降りた始まりの存在 -> "A being of beginning who descended from the superdimension"
Izanami: 超次元より降り立った終わりの存在 -> "A being of finality descends from the superdimension"
"超次元" Apotheosis already translated clearly enough.
Their EN lore is also strikingly similar in weight, being completely different than any other Legend Rares:
"The prelude to all that ever was, descended from a higher plane" and "The coda to all that ever was, descended from a higher plane"
It's all has been about "other world" or "dimension", never "higher plane". They're consistently unique in both Japanese and EN ("superdimension" and "higher plane"), introduced after the Zero World and at the same time as Soractes (Izanagi that is, Izanami is 1 version later) and with all of that their lore is sufficient to say that they're at least above the Zero World (or at least that current layer of the Zero World).

Of course we'll have to go through the Zero World again to reinforce this:
Notice how for Babel they use (超える Koeru) but for Zero World, even in a Jokingly manner, they still carefully use the word (超越 Chōetsu) instead? If we trust them in their consistency of word choice (which they've been doing a great job at), then Zero World is clearly superior than whatever was there before it or at least Babel and that's all we need (we don't even need any connection here, it's all through word choice alone, actually the lack of connection would place Babel below the Zero World purely because of this), because we're only scaling the Zero World above 5-D spatial dimension after all, that's why it's 7-D spacetime.

Of course we're working under the assumption that the Cats have actually reached the Zero World to begin with (and with how the first subchapter is literally named "Zero Field" and how the Sage that guided the cats to the current world even said "I want you to find a sage in another world.", it's safe to say that this is indeed the Zero World and not just some random world, for now at least).

"The Edge of Spacetime" directly connects to the Zero World, I think it is just safe to say that it'll upscale whatever-D the baseline is at, to 1-D higher than that

And The high ranking sages being higher than this current layer of the Zero World is still too unclear, so yes this can be set aside for now at least, this would be the most iffy to put in.

So with all of that, it's pretty reasonable to say that battle cats can reach 9-D at the least, and this is not only relying on game mechanics, rarities, and release dates like you said, because this is based on word choice and lore.

Of course, if you still think this is too iffy, then I guess the current meta will be:
Gaia + Babel = 5-D space + 1D time -> 6-D

Zero World is baseline 6-D due to transcends dimensions (placing it at 5-D space and 1-D time) and beyond the edge of spacetime is 7-D.

Izanagi and Izanami is 7-D (should be beyond the Edge of Spacetime, so 2 jumps from 6-D for also being above time), being legend rare so they shared a lore, shouldn't be counted separately from Gaia and Babel, plus "superdimension" indicates their superiority from the normal "dimension". I'd place them at 8-D, above the Zero World if possible.

High ranking sages are at least 7-D due to being on a "far higher dimension", at least on the same level as the Zero World and are also beyond the edge of spacetime.

Or just count "Zero World" and the current "other world" separately, giving Zero World "possibly Low 1-A" and the rest are called "Zero Legend" the above rating.

Whichever you think are the best for now, I'll go with it.
Given the nature of Battle Cats and the way they describe things, it really wouldn't surprise me if it went as high as Low 1-A, but I don't think we have sufficient proof to say for sure. Due to the ambiguity in the Japanese, perhaps we could give Zero World a "Possibly Low 1-A" or something like that.
I'm not sure if it'll be Low 1-A (though it could be), but for now just giving it "possibly Low 1-A" without scaling to any characters at all would be kinda meh, with current information it's already safe to say that it does scale to lots of characters, so Low 1-A or not I think this should be left until it is revealed (and if it is, everything up there will be downscaled quite crazy while the final Sage will be Low 1-A instead... Crazy)

Ah right I forgot, Filibuster's profile will replace an already existing one (that is quite outdated).
 
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I'd love it if more mods could come and give more opinions on this one... Is the fandom wall the best way to contact them? It seems deserted here...
 
I see the verse capping at 5D or 6D, a lot of the evidence is up to interpretation aside from the transcendence statements, and even then the type of transcendence isn't specified.
 
I see the verse capping at 5D or 6D, a lot of the evidence is up to interpretation aside from the transcendence statements, and even then the type of transcendence isn't specified.
You mean "transcends dimensions"? It doesn't really need to be specified, Zero World already has Soractes and such to support that it's in fact talking about "dimensionality" rather than just something else. Moreover, when talking about "dimensions" in battle cats with "transcending" and such, it's always about dimensionality, that thing has existed since Babel was first a thing. I don't see how I should view that "transcendence" as something else.

Even for Babel, he became one with the castle that controls the mortal realm, while in JP version that castle reigns and controls hyperspace (scans already above), evidence are everywhere.
 
For now, if we were to remove everything that's iffy out of the way, the least that the verse would get is 6-D space-time, absolutely not 5-D. Even if the Zero World were to be scaled separately to possibly Low 1-A and be put there until the end of Zero Legend, Soractes with "far higher dimension" and Izanagi with "superdimension" is already enough to get the verse a solid 6-D space-time rating, with Izanagi having the solid Complex multi rating.

And obviously, if we were to say that Soractes and such are 6-D, then we also have 2 of the following intepretation:

1: Beyond the edge of spacetime are only 5-D, while Izanagi and such are 6-D and comes from a dimension above the current Zero Legend.

2: Beyond The edge of spacetime is 6-D (transcends 4-D space and 1-D time, 4-D space of which are confirmed through Jeanne alone, ignoring Babel's statement).

3: Babel's statement makes spacetime in TBC be 6-D by itself, everyone except for Izanagi would be bound by it (since time are born from Chaos, Empress Chronos's JP desc, and Izanagi is the prelude of all that ever was, including Chaos itself obviously), making Izanagi 7-D and is beyond spacetime, and Cat God is also in the same position due to having transcended spacetime since he was little).
 
It sort of does matter, because it could be qualitative, quantitative, or just a fluff statement. Also matters if we're talking about all possible spatial dimensions, all known spatial dimensions, concept of dimensionality?

All of it is really vague, and aside from the transcend space and time statement, I'm seeing 5D, maybe 6D at most.
 
It sort of does matter, because it could be qualitative, quantitative, or just a fluff statement. Also matters if we're talking about all possible spatial dimensions, all known spatial dimensions, concept of dimensionality?
Obviously for things as high as L1A and above, I'm gonna put for the grand reveal at the end of Zero Legend. Zero World either contributes to the rating for now, or stay as a Possibly L1A medal for the cosmology page and that's it. What do you think I should do about it? And of course I did mentioned in my post that despite the playful tone, the statement should be taken seriously especially when Zero Legend introduced an even higher dimensional meta (As well as things like Z-material which are extradimensional materials that the cats used to upgrade their catbase). Clearly it's not just a fluff statement.
All of it is really vague, and aside from the transcend space and time statement, I'm seeing 5D, maybe 6D at most.
Well, some are really direct. As I mentioned from the comment above (if you haven't read it), Soractes's JP desc is enough to prove 6-D space-time (you could view the Japanese translation by Apotheosis above). Cat God transcended space-time, and we also know that the Edge of Spacetime is on the same layer as the current Zero Legend, so there are 3 current intepretations above that I think would be fine for now. It could get to 7-D, via both Izanagi and Cat God.
 
Dimensions need dimensional superiority over one another. Are there any scans of that? Not all higher dimensions qualify as an uncountably infinite gap.
 
Dimensions need dimensional superiority over one another. Are there any scans of that? Not all higher dimensions qualify as an uncountably infinite gap.
I mean there is the proof of tesseracts existing in the verse already (All legend rares have them), this is a proof right? Four dimensional crystal with visual proof of it being a tesseract. Battle cats have stuff like this already, they are well aware of what they're doing with all the higher dimensional stuff.

Or if what you're saying is about the "higher dimension" scans, then it's pretty easy.

Izanagi and Izanami are part of the Legend rares, narratively they're consistent about the whole "higher dimension" stuff (I explained above in my last response to Finepoint), every mentioning of "higher dimension" or "extradimensional" in English are about higher dimensions as in 4th and 5th and so on.

Soractes and all high ranking sages exists in Zero Legend, in which there are extra-dimensional material (which I mentioned earlier), narratively it's consistent enough to say that it's about that "higher dimension" and not just "some higher dimension". Consistently also, they do use "different dimension" for these things, so it's not just a "higher dimension", but it's "a different and higher dimension", makes no difference to the validity of the scans.

That's all I got to say.
 
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