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Battle of God Killers: Gorr vs Kratos (GRACE)

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Looking at the thread, it says at one point for the arguments that 'gorr can transform all-black into the godbomb' but that's...not what allblack is to the god bomb, not based on the Marvel wiki or based on All-black/God Bomb's profile here on Vsbattles wiki. All black 'isn't' the godbomb, it, instead, "served as both the detonator and payload of Gorr's Godbomb, a moon-sized explosive built using the designs of Shadrak the God of Bombs to kill all gods across time and space."

Looking back in the thread more, it also seems that it was brought up that All-black and Godbomb are separate, so it does come down to my question of 'does optional equipment count as standard equipment wheen it isn't mentioned by OP to include it'.

If optional equipment is included (as shown by Gorr's profile wheere the Godbomb is listed as optional) despite not being mentioned by the OP of this challengee, then I agree it would be incon via kratos killing gorr but then dying to the bomb.

But if optional equipment isn't included as part of 'standard equipment' when not explicitly mentioned by the OP, then I'm going for Kratos, for the reason that it seems to be the consensus that Kratos would beat Gorr but die to the god bomb, so if there's no god bomb then kratos will win more often than he doesn't.
 
Oliver_de_jesus said:
The truth is that this battle does not work without the godbomb
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How so, is it because its the only real Wincon Gorr has?

If that's the case, then how likely is Gorr to decide to, in character, say 'screw this' and activate the bomb, or is he more likely to try and fight kratos or overwhelm him with his army?
 
AmeliaSCooper said:
How so, is it because its the only real Wincon Gorr has?

If that's the case, then how likely is Gorr to decide to, in character, say 'screw this' and activate the bomb, or is he more likely to try and fight kratos or overwhelm him with his army?
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Well, When the Divine bomb was ready, he had literally already beaten everyone and stl continued with his plan to blow up all the Gods that were not on the Future of the Universe.
 
I am only just realizing that the God Bomb is optional equipment. That is my bad guys, got swept up in the debate without checking that.

So, know what?
 
Oliver_de_jesus said:
I thought this become a Stomps guys, like i feel that Across all the Thread
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Gorr can still harm and kill Kratos seeing as they're more or less even physically and he can BFR the latter with the Shards. It'd be a decisive victory rather than a stomp i think.
 
ShionAH said:
Without bomb no way this match is fair
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It's a decisive victory for Kratos but like, Gorr can actually harm the guy and has BFR shards. Not likely to land before he's beaten but like, Gorr isn't completely helpless here.
 
Planck69 said:
It's a decisive victory for Kratos but like, Gorr can actually harm the guy and has BFR shards. Not likely to land before he's beaten but like, Gorr isn't completely helpless here.
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Bro- Kratos literally one shots with everything. He resists most of Gorrs attacks and can probably come back frok the BFR. He has more skill and range with his weapons and like 50x times more hax. This is a massacre without the bomb not counting his amps that let him blitz his spartan rage and everything else-
 
And even if we include the bomb, what is Gorrs in character actions. Is he more likely to try and fight Kratos head on first and detonate the bomb after he'd physically proven his superiority to kratos, or is he more likely to see kratos go 'f that' and activate the bomb while running away and trying to keep kratos at bay long enough for the bomb to erupt.

Because if Gorr is more likely to fight kratos rather than instantly go for the bomb activation, Kratos should still win, given the general consensus is that 'gorr loses but kratos still dies'. So if Kratos is able to kill or overwhelm Gorr before he can activate the bomb...yea, gorr has a 1 HKO move he can use on kratos but it won't matter because he gets deleted before he can use it.
 
AmeliaSCooper said:
And even if we include the bomb, what is Gorrs in character actions. Is he more likely to try and fight Kratos head on first and detonate the bomb after he'd physically proven his superiority to kratos, or is he more likely to see kratos go 'f that' and activate the bomb while running away and trying to keep kratos at bay long enough for the bomb to erupt.

Because if Gorr is more likely to fight kratos rather than instantly go for the bomb activation, Kratos should still win, given the general consensus is that 'gorr loses but kratos still dies'. So if Kratos is able to kill or overwhelm Gorr before he can activate the bomb...yea, gorr has a 1 HKO move he can use on kratos but it won't matter because he gets deleted before he can use it.
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He has prior knowledge so he just activates the bomb and incons
 
ShionAH said:
Bro- Kratos literally one shots with everything. He resists most of Gorrs attacks and can probably come back frok the BFR. He has more skill and range with his weapons and like 50x times more hax. This is a massacre without the bomb not counting his amps that let him blitz his spartan rage and everything else-
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He can incapacitate with the Axe but like, this isn't Kratos as he was when he was the God of War. His abilities are a lot more supportive now and his Soul based absorption is really the main OHK attack he has these days and even that isn't something he immediately opens with. He'd finish the fight fast but it's not as though he's just face-tanking everything either. Coming back from BFR isn't really something he can do here. He resists space-time attacks but not movement.

And honestly, the more conditional the fight is the more convoluted it's gonna get.
 
ShionAH said:
He has prior knowledge so he just activates the bomb and incons
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He had prior knowledge of thor too, and he still went to fight and torment his older, stronger self specifically for failing to stop him from massacring all the gods of his Era. I just don't see Gorr being the kind of person who, in character, is going to just drop a bomb on a god who's right in front of him, rather than actually fighting him, especially as this is Prime Gorr, who was able to fight Young, Avengers, and Old King Thor all at once and is likely seeing himself as 'unkillable', with the godbomb not being something he made to protect himself but to just erase all the gods throughout all of time.

it wouldn't be an attack he just opens with because he sees someone who he knows has some esoteric powers that could hurt him pretty bad, if it was he wouldn't've bothered fighting any of the Thors at all, and just went and detonated the bomb rather than fighting and dominating all three of them.

Yea, I'll concede he'll use it if he feels he's about to lose, but at that point it would've been too late, as by the time Gorr realizes he's about to lose, he's basically already dead.
 
AmeliaSCooper said:
He had prior knowledge of thor too, and he still went to fight and torment his older, stronger self specifically for failing to stop him from massacring all the gods of his Era. I just don't see Gorr being the kind of person who, in character, is going to just drop a bomb on a god who's right in front of him, rather than actually fighting him, especially as this is Prime Gorr, who was able to fight Young, Avengers, and Old King Thor all at once and is likely seeing himself as 'unkillable', with the godbomb not being something he made to protect himself but to just erase all the gods throughout all of time.

it wouldn't be an attack he just opens with because he sees someone who he knows has some esoteric powers that could hurt him pretty bad, if it was he wouldn't've bothered fighting any of the Thors at all, and just went and detonated the bomb rather than fighting and dominating all three of them.

Yea, I'll concede he'll use it if he feels he's about to lose, but at that point it would've been too late, as by the time Gorr realizes he's about to lose, he's basically already dead.
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Dude. Thor didnt have power to literally erase his concept with 1 punch.
Planck69 said:
He can incapacitate with the Axe but like, this isn't Kratos as he was when he was the God of War. His abilities are a lot more supportive now and his Soul based absorption is really the main OHK attack he has these days and even that isn't something he immediately opens with. He'd finish the fight fast but it's not as though he's just face-tanking everything either. Coming back from BFR isn't really something he can do here. He resists space-time attacks but not movement.

And honestly, the more conditional the fight is the more convoluted it's gonna get.
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This is a stomp. I already said this BFR and got answers that show Gorr has no chance.
 
ShionAH said:
Dude. Thor didnt have power to literally erase his concept with 1 punch.
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If kratos is erasing concepts with his punches then what exactly to stop him from just destroying the concept of the God Bomb. It's payload might be multiversal, but that doesn't necessarily mean its shell is.
 
Planck69 said:
Grace started with this vote (Again).
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What the **** is happening. Isnt this an obvious stomp?? Kratos can sense the danger so whats stopping him from attacking from a distance and one shotting? Or just dodging since he is a skill god??
 
ShionAH said:
What the **** is happening. Isnt this an obvious stomp?? Kratos can sense the danger so whats stopping him from attacking from a distance and one shotting? Or just dodging since he is a skill god??
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You are welcome to convince the people who still voted otherwise, I'm just compiling votes.

Nothing stops him from dodging but that's what makes it decisive. He could get hit once by Shards and immediately lose, same as Gorr with the Axe. It's just not as likely for Kratos as it is for Gorr. Heck, there's non-insignificant chance of him opening with Draupnir, which isn't an instant incapacitation, allowing Gorr to actually fight and damage him.

This is a clear win but acting as though Gorr is completely helpless is a bit silly.
 
Planck69 said:
You are welcome to convince the people who still voted otherwise, I'm just compiling votes.

Nothing stops him from dodging but that's what makes it decisive. He could get hit once by Shards and immediately lose, same as Gorr with the Axe. It's just not as likely for Kratos as it is for Gorr. Heck, there's non-insignificant chance of him opening with Draupnir, which isn't an instant incapacitation, allowing Gorr to actually fight and damage him.

This is a clear win but acting as though Gorr is completely helpless is a bit silly.
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The same guys who argued Gorr cannot even touch Kratos because of his skill,speed hax and insane (near) precognition now saying Gorr can win without the bomb? Tf 💀 Kratos can also slow time to just win if he sees Gorr can win like?? It was a fair incon why did you even change it? 🗿
 
ShionAH said:
The same guys who argued Gorr cannot even touch Kratos because of his skill,speed hax and insane (near) precognition now saying Gorr can win without the bomb? Tf 💀 Kratos can also slow time to just win if he sees Gorr can win like?? It was a fair incon why did you even change it? 🗿
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Change it? I was operating under the assumption the God Bomb was his main arsenal. Since it's optional equipment that isn't the case.

Gorr can win but he won't be likely to win (at least to those that voted for Kratos). That's it. He has a means to deal with Kratos immediately if it lands but it's unlikely. He can actually do damage to Kratos and kill him if the latter opts to use the Spear mostly but that's not always the case. The gap is immense in combat, but Gorr can actually utilize his range advantage so while he's not likely to hit Kratos, it's not a complete zero chance anyway.
 
ShionAH said:
The same guys who argued Gorr cannot even touch Kratos because of his skill,speed hax and insane (near) precognition now saying Gorr can win without the bomb? Tf 💀 Kratos can also slow time to just win if he sees Gorr can win like?? It was a fair incon why did you even change it? 🗿
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Blud literally ignored that Gorr has win conditions like even-ish AP and BFR and prior knowledge on Kratos 💀

It isn't a stomp as long as both sides have winning conditions, it is however, a decisive match where the other character has more wincons and is more likely to use them than the opposition.
 
Planck69 said:
Change it? I was operating under the assumption the God Bomb was his main arsenal. Since it's optional equipment that isn't the case.

Gorr can win but he won't be likely to win (at least to those that voted for Kratos). That's it. He has a means to deal with Kratos immediately if it lands but it's unlikely. He can actually do damage to Kratos and kill him if the latter opts to use the Spear mostly but that's not always the case. The gap is immense in combat, but Gorr can actually utilize his range advantage so while he's not likely to hit Kratos, it's not a complete zero chance anyway.
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Dude. Kratos can feel danger right? If he understands Gorr can BFR him he just slows time and wins. Literally tell me a wincon where kratos doesnt act like a dumb person and actually uses any of his hax to win
KLOL506 said:
Blud literally ignored that Gorr has win conditions like even-ish AP and BFR and prior knowledge on Kratos 💀

It isn't a stomp as long as both sides have winning conditions, it is however, a decisive match where the other character has more wincons and is more likely to use them than the opposition.
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Dude theres no way Gorr wins 💀 You Gow supporters kept saying he will slow down time and use all hix hax to win just a second ago but now Kratos can lose because he doesnt use his hax??? What about the fact that Kratos being able to Hit gorr while being BFRed?? Theres literally no wincon for gorr that kratos doesnt stop
 
ShionAH said:
Dude theres no way Gorr wins 💀 You Gow supporters kept saying he will slow down time and use all hix hax to win just a second ago but now Kratos can lose because he doesnt use his hax??? What about the fact that Kratos being able to Hit gorr while being BFRed?? Theres literally no wincon for gorr that kratos doesnt stop
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BFR

Kratos has to kill Gorr before BFR takes place.

Fortunately, Kratos has more ways to do that than Gorr can use BFR right out of the gate against him. Hence, decisive match, not a stomp.
 
Kratos does win more often than not, that's why it's decisive. It's not a stomp since not only will the approach be slightly different due to the lack of a threat to him and all he loves but like, Gorr has equal physical prowess, prior knowledge and BFR that Kratos can't come back from.

This is more than fair to Gorr. He loses concisely but he's not helpless at all.
 
KLOL506 said:
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BFR

Kratos has to kill Gorr before BFR takes place.

Fortunately, Kratos has more ways to do that than Gorr can use BFR right out of the gate against him. Hence, decisive match, not a stomp.
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BFR needs to hit Kratos. Kratos slows time and wins. You literally said he can understand something he never saw in his past. He understands the shard. Slows time and wins. His wincon is shit and this match is spite because it was a fair incon at first then the bomb was removed
 
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