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Ben 10: Ascalon Tier Revision

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"Yes. And I looked to the heavens, gazing at those glowing planets shimmering in a straight line, and all I could see was...
A sword?"

Ascalon's tier should be revised to;
Varies, atleast High 5-A upto 4A, higher with Absorption
Simply put that Ascalon's power is entirely based upon the one who wields it. As only when one is worthy of the blade can one truelly be unstoppable.

"This sword is a weapon of terrible power, when weilded by one who is worthy, it can not be stopped."- Azmuth
"If it is so formidable, why do not wield it yourself."- Sir George
"Because I am not worthy."- Azmuth
"So you're telling me that the sword needs somebody worthy, somebody incredibly brave and handsome, somebody with a stylish green jacket"- Ben

Ascalon had displayed varying levels of power regarding who is weilding it. Sir George weilded the blade and struggled against the Dagon and even lost to his power. Despite Asmuth giving George the blade, he never stated George to be worthy and even doubted giving him the sword, suggesting that George like the prior weilder would destroy the planet. Now compare this to Ben, who despite giving up the power, Asmuth considered worthy and weilding Ascalon easily defeated a Dagon-powered-Vilgax.

Additional abilities:

NRG:
• Resistance to Explosion Manipulation
(Was unphased by this explosion.)
• Resistance to Information Analysis Mana Manipulation
(The armor prevented Gwen from her Mana abilities.)

Asmuth:
• BRF via Teleportation
(His teleporter could teleport Ben, Gwen, Kevin and the Rust Bucket 3 to another galaxy, teleport Ben and Rook from Earth to Galavan Prime and teleported Albedo to an intergalactic prison.)
• Possibly Dimensional Travel
(Comparable to his alternate timeline self, which could fix the Warpfield Generator and built a dimensional traveling watch.)
• Resistance to Power Mimicry via Morphogenic Dampening Field
(Built a Morphogenic Dampening Field that blocked Skurd's power.)
• Matter and Biology Manipulation (Atomic) via surgery
(Could perform ionic partical surgery to break genetic adaptation bonds.)
• Limited Regeneration (High)
(Has a contingency plan to restore himself after being vaporized on an atomic level with help from others.)
• All abilities and resistances of the Omnitrix and Ascalon via Preparation Time
(Created both the Omnitrix and Ascalon and should be be able to create devices with similar abilities.)

Canonbolt:
• Shockwave Generation and Air Manipulation
(Can bounce around to create powerful shockwaves and spin around to create fierce tornados.)

Thank you, @jgms2008. For the following abilities.

Ben Tennyson:
• Possibly Analytical Prediction
Devised a plan that, as he predicted, was successfully executed to deceive the Incursians.
• Immortality (Type 3 and 8)
The Omnitrix pervents Ben from dying, even if it means restoring Ben's body from being physically destroyed whether he is shattered, destroyed on a quantum level, or complete physical destruction.

Azmuth:
• Vehicular Mastery
Implied to be able to pilot a ship better than the Arthropod due to superior intelligence.
Purification (Type 3) Biology Manipulation via Technology
Claimed to be developing technology capable of curing Malware's corrupted genetic code.
Retrocognition Illusion Creation via Technology
Showed Ben and his companions the origin of Primus, the battle between Sir George and Diagon, the destruction of the Incursian home world and his own past.
• Instinctive Action
Galvanians have two brains, one of which is responsible for handling basic actions in case their consciousness is drained.

Chromastone:
• Limited Restoration (via Sacred Crystal and Power Absorption)
Restored Petropia.

Jetray:
• Durability Negation
Neuroshock blasts can directly target the nervous system.

Greymatter:
• Likely Information Analysis
Likely superior to Brainstorm, could perfectly analyze the environment to prank Chet and JT.
• Automatic Translation
Due to his higher intelligence, Greymatter understands languages like Pixie's technobabble.
• Accelerated Development (Abilities; Passive)
Capable of absorbing and processing any type of information in his brain, copying it with the ability to learn quickly, recreate what he has seen only once, and understand unknown information. Examples include, replicating Max Tennyson's Sun-gun while creating an improved version and replicating Khyber's technique.

Nanomech:
Adaptation Reactive Evolution
Adapted to beat the Nanochip Queen despite her claiming to be able to beat any Nanochip, likely comparable to other Nanochips, who've adapted multiple times during a single battle.

Eon:
• Summoning
Capable of summoning allies to assist in combat, including Alternate Bens, Time Warriors transformed into creatures, and Robots.

Ghostfreak
• Limited Resistance to Antimatter Manipulation
His species is adapted to an antimatter sun.

Gravattack
• Status Effect Inducement
Can increase the gravitational fields of others, slowing them down or even stopping them dead in their tracks.

Omnitrix
• Size Manipulation and Transformation
Transformed into a larger version of itself to fit the wearer.
• Purification(All Types)
Removed the effects of Gwen's magic spells upon transformation like transformation and speed reduction effects. Could heal the genetic damage brought by an Xenocyte, which corrupts one's mind and body.

Agree: @Firestorm808 (Disagrees with Ascalon's tier, the abilitie have been edited according to Firestorm808's specifications), @Reiner04 (Same thoughs as @Firestorm808),
Disagree
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Neutral:
 
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What about Ascalon vs Ultimate Humangosaur where latter tanked attacks from former?
This is another reason why Ascalon should have varying levels of power. If Ascalon's AP is the same no matter who wields it, then this would mean that Ultimate Humungousaur is similar to power to Ultimate Waybig and Dagon.

Ult. Humungousaur wouldn't scale to the full power of Ascalon.
 
Don't really care about this crt but just wanna point out that this whole talk about being worthy stems from azmuths' regrets related to the sword, someone he cared for left him because of his obsession with creating ascalon and the sword eventually led to the destruction of a planet and the loss of a hell lot of lives, which is primarily the reason azmuth considers himself unworthy cause he knows how irresponsible he has been with the weapon
 
by the way another thing you can add to azmut: Cosmic Awareness: said by the supreme albedo who sees the entire omniverse as it really is
Cosmic Awareness is being aware when things happen in the cosmos, not being knowledgeable on the cosmos.
Any being, regardless of IQ, can have Information Analysis. If Azmuth is shown to have scanned something and gained info from it then it counts. I'm looking around for such a scene.
Radiation Manipulation + Resistance to Radiation Manipulation. Matter Manipulation is more likely Restoration.
 
Dude, we have 5 CRT :(, we need to close 2 Crts to complete this
Also add:

Omnitrix​

Purification and Mind Manipulation (All Types; Omnitrax can remove magic effects that affect Aliens, such as transformation effects, speed reduction effects, and magic energy/mana effects. Can remove the corrupting effects of Xenocyte, which can alter people's DNA and affect their mind.)
Hellformer's tier 4 upscaling CRT should be closing soon and I just need Firestorm808's final opinion on BDE and another vote to close my old CRT.
 
"Yes. And I looked to the heavens, gazing at those glowing planets shimmering in a straight line, and all I could see was...
A sword?"

Ascalon's tier should be revised to;
Varies, atleast High 5-A upto 4A, higher with Absorption
Simply put that Ascalon's power is entirely based upon the one who wields it. As only when one is worthy of the blade can one truelly be unstoppable.

"This sword is a weapon of terrible power, when weilded by one who is worthy, it can not be stopped."- Azmuth
"If it is so formidable, why do not wield it yourself."- Sir George
"Because I am not worthy."- Azmuth
"So you're telling me that the sword needs somebody worthy, somebody incredibly brave and handsome, somebody with a stylish green jacket"- Ben

Ascalon had displayed varying levels of power regarding who is weilding it. Sir George weilded the blade and struggled against the Dagon and even lost to his power. Despite Asmuth giving George the blade, he never stated George to be worthy and even doubted giving him the sword, suggesting that George like the prior weilder would destroy the planet. Now compare this to Ben, who despite giving up the power, Asmuth considered worthy and weilding Ascalon easily defeated a Dagon-powered-Vilgax.

Additional abilities:

NRG:
• Resistance to Explosion Manipulation
(Was unphased by this explosion.)
• Resistance to Information Analysis
(The armor prevented Gwen from reading it to figure out how it works.)

Asmuth:
• BRF
(His teleporter could teleport Ben, Gwen, Kevin and the Rust Bucket 3 to another galaxy, teleport Ben and Rook from Earth to Galavan Prime and teleported Albedo to an intergalactic prison.)
• Dimensional Travel
(Comparable to his alternate timeline self, which could fix the Warpfield Generator and built a dimensional traveling watch.)
• Resistance to Power Mimicry
(Built a Morphogenic Dampening Field that blocked Skurd's power.)
• Matter and Biology Manipulation (Atomic)
(Could perform ionic partical surgery to break genetic adaptation bonds.)
• Limited Regeneration (High)
(Has a contingency plan to restore himself after being vaporized on an atomic level with help from others.)
• All abilities and resistances of the Omnitrix and Ascalon
(Created both the Omnitrix and Ascalon and should be be able to create devices with similar abilities.)

Thank you, @jgms2008. For the following abilities.

Ben Tennyson:
• Analytical Prediction
Devised a plan that, as he predicted, was successfully executed to deceive the Incursians.
• Immortality (Types 3, 4, and 8)
The Omnitrix will not allow Ben to die, even if he is destroyed at a sub-quantum level.

Azmuth:
• Vehicular Mastery
Implied to be able to pilot a ship better than the Arthropod due to superior intelligence.
• Purification (Type 3)
Claimed to be developing technology capable of curing Malware.
• Retrocognition
Showed Ben and his companions the origin of Primus, the battle between Sir George and Diagon, the destruction of the Incursian home world and his own past.
• Instinctive Action
Galvanians have two brains, one of which is responsible for handling basic actions in case their consciousness is drained.

Chromastone:
• Restoration
Restored Petropia.
Agree
 
by the way other skills you can add if you want: alien x : History Manipulation: Alien X and other Celestialsapiens can retroactively alter history and rewrite events over time, affecting not only people but also structures, biological characteristics, and even artistic styles, as demonstrated by changes to the setting, logos, and character designs after universal alterations.
Time Dilation: Time dilated as shown here.
Contumelia: Dimensional Travel: They constantly travel through the multiverse.
Genius Intelligence [Supergeniuses]: they are the creators of the Annihilargh, which is capable of creating or destroying entire universes with the press of a button.
Nanomech: Adaptation: Nanomech, like other chips, can adapt to an enemy and acquire their abilities. Thanks to this capability, during the fight against the Queen, Nanomech gained the ability to summon powerful tentacles from his back and control them, even coating them with his bioelectricity for improved effectiveness.
Jetray: Durability Negation: Neuroshock blasts can directly target the nervous system.
Waybig: Inorganic Physiology (Type 1): The To'kustars are created from cosmic storms.
Grey matter: Information Analysis: Scaled to Brainstorm, who, through sheer intelligence, analyzed the status of all the Avengers to execute an optimal counterattack using mental calculations and detected the weakness of Humungousaur's predator.
Automatic Translation: Due to his intellect, he was able to understand an AI speaking another language.
Accelerated Development: Abilities; Passive: Capable of absorbing and processing any type of information in his brain, copying it with the ability to learn quickly, recreate what he has seen only once, and understand unknown information. Examples include replicating Max Tennyson's solar light pistol while creating an improved version and replicating Khyber's technique.
Omnitrix:
Fusionism: A malfunction in the Omnitrix can cause it to accidentally fuse the DNA of different species into a single specialist, which cannot be effectively used.
Size Manipulation: The Omnitrix can adjust its size to fit the wearer's wrist.

Eon:
Summoning: Capable of summoning allies to assist in combat, including Alternate Bens, Time Warriors transformed into creatures, and Robots.
Ghostfreak: Resistance to Antimatter: His species is adapted to an antimatter sun.
Limited Darkness Manipulation: Ghostfreak made Ben's shadow appear as his own.
Gravatack: Statistics Reduction: Gravattack can use the laws of general relativity to his advantage, increasing gravity to reduce a target's speed to nothing, even if they were moving at the speed of light before.
 
by the way other skills you can add if you want: alien x : History Manipulation: Alien X and other Celestialsapiens can retroactively alter history and rewrite events over time, affecting not only people but also structures, biological characteristics, and even artistic styles, as demonstrated by changes to the setting, logos, and character designs after universal alterations.
History Manipulation isn't a thing yet. I'll make CRT in the future if it does and add this.
X already has Time Manipulation and Restoration due to this.
Contumelia: Dimensional Travel: They constantly travel through the multiverse.
It's via their ship but OK.
Genius Intelligence [Supergeniuses]: they are the creators of the Annihilargh, which is capable of creating or destroying entire universes with the press of a button.
They already have this.
Nanomech: Adaptation: Nanomech, like other chips, can adapt to an enemy and acquire their abilities. Thanks to this capability, during the fight against the Queen, Nanomech gained the ability to summon powerful tentacles from his back and control them, even coating them with his bioelectricity for improved effectiveness.
I'll get some more scenes but this works.
Perfection✨
He's also got some metal plating. Might need some more evidence as Vilgax pierces what seemed like skin in the movie.
Grey matter: Information Analysis: Scaled to Brainstorm, who, through sheer intelligence, analyzed the status of all the Avengers to execute an optimal counterattack using mental calculations and detected the weakness of Humungousaur's predator.
He didn't use mental calculations, just his memory. He has a Information Analysis feat in the Race against Time movie instead. I'll add that as proof. Thanks for reminding me.
Absolutely.
Accelerated Development: Abilities; Passive: Capable of absorbing and processing any type of information in his brain, copying it with the ability to learn quickly, recreate what he has seen only once, and understand unknown information. Examples include replicating Max Tennyson's solar light pistol while creating an improved version and replicating Khyber's technique.
Accelerated Development sure but he isn't exactly copying abilities. I'll read the page and dubble check but he does get Accelerated Development in a sense.
Limited Fusionism and Size Manipulation. It only fuses aliens if it's broken and the Size Manipulation is limited to itself.
Eon:
Summoning: Capable of summoning allies to assist in combat, including Alternate Bens, Time Warriors transformed into creatures, and Robots.
Yes.
Resistance to Antimatter Manipulation. Peak!
Yeah.
Gravatack: Statistics Reduction: Gravattack can use the laws of general relativity to his advantage, increasing gravity to reduce a target's speed to nothing, even if they were moving at the speed of light before.
I don't think reducing someone's speed by pushing them down counts as Statistics Reduction. I think Status Effect Inducement works beter.
 
Additional abilities:

NRG:
• Resistance to Explosion Manipulation
(Was unphased by this explosion.)
• Resistance to Information Analysis
(The armor prevented Gwen from reading it to figure out how it works.)

Asmuth:
• BRF
(His teleporter could teleport Ben, Gwen, Kevin and the Rust Bucket 3 to another galaxy, teleport Ben and Rook from Earth to Galavan Prime and teleported Albedo to an intergalactic prison.)
• Dimensional Travel
(Comparable to his alternate timeline self, which could fix the Warpfield Generator and built a dimensional traveling watch.)
• Resistance to Power Mimicry
(Built a Morphogenic Dampening Field that blocked Skurd's power.)
• Matter and Biology Manipulation (Atomic)
(Could perform ionic partical surgery to break genetic adaptation bonds.)
• Limited Regeneration (High)
(Has a contingency plan to restore himself after being vaporized on an atomic level with help from others.)
• All abilities and resistances of the Omnitrix and Ascalon
(Created both the Omnitrix and Ascalon and should be be able to create devices with similar abilities.)

Thank you, @jgms2008. For the following abilities.

Ben Tennyson:
• Analytical Prediction
Devised a plan that, as he predicted, was successfully executed to deceive the Incursians.
• Immortality (Types 3, 4, and 8)
The Omnitrix will not allow Ben to die, even if he is destroyed at a sub-quantum level.

Azmuth:
• Vehicular Mastery
Implied to be able to pilot a ship better than the Arthropod due to superior intelligence.
• Purification (Type 3)
Claimed to be developing technology capable of curing Malware.
• Retrocognition
Showed Ben and his companions the origin of Primus, the battle between Sir George and Diagon, the destruction of the Incursian home world and his own past.
• Instinctive Action
Galvanians have two brains, one of which is responsible for handling basic actions in case their consciousness is drained.

Chromastone:
• Restoration
Restored Petropia.
  1. Fine
  2. This is more the prison suit having a magical backlash effect and resistance to mana spells.
  3. BFR via teleportation technology is fine.
  4. Prime Azmuth hasn't built this tech for himself to our knowledge, but he potentially could if he wanted to.
  5. Resistance to Power Mimicry via Morphogenic Dampening Field tech is fine
  6. Limited Matter and Biology Manipulation (Atomic) is via the surgery is fine
  7. Not really, this is just completing the teleportation process.
  8. This would go under abilities via equipment like the others.
  9. This does not meet our site definition.
  10. That's not an example of immortality.
  11. Fine
  12. Not really. Purification implies that an external condition/material was put in the individual/entity in the first place. Malware essentially had a birth defect that needed curing.
  13. Iffy. Azmuth can immerse people in images of his choosing akin to the ghosts in a Christmas carol via tech. It's debatable whether it's the literal past, a simulation of the past, or a projection of his memories.
  14. Limited Restoration via crystal shard and ritual is fine.
 
Jetray:
• Durability Negation
Neuroshock blasts can directly target the nervous system.

Greymatter:
• Information Analysis
Likely superior to Brainstorm, could perfectly analyze the environment to prank Chet and JT.
• Automatic Translation
Due to his higher intelligence, Greymatter understands languages like Pixie's technobabble.
• Accelerated Development (Abilities; Passive)
Capable of absorbing and processing any type of information in his brain, copying it with the ability to learn quickly, recreate what he has seen only once, and understand unknown information. Examples include, replicating Max Tennyson's Sun-gun while creating an improved version and replicating Khyber's technique.

Nanomech:
• Adaptation
Adapted to beat the Nanochip Queen despite her claiming to be able to beat any Nanochip, likely comparable to other Nanochips, who've adapted multiple times during a single battle.

Eon:
• Summoning
Capable of summoning allies to assist in combat, including Alternate Bens, Time Warriors transformed into creatures, and Robots.

Ghostfreak
• Resistance to Antimatter Manipulation
His species is adapted to an antimatter sun.

Gravattack
• Status Effect Inducement
Can increase the gravitational fields of others, slowing them down or even stopping them dead in their tracks.

Omnitrix
• Size Manipulation and Transformation
Transformed into a larger version of itself to fit the wearer.
• Purification(All Types)
Removed the effects of Gwen's magic spells upon transformation like transformation and speed reduction effects. Could heal the genetic damage brought by an Xenocyte, which corrupts one's mind and body.
  1. Fine
  2. Likely Information Analysis. We don't really have an indication that he can mentally analyze things like Brainstorm has in his head.
  3. We don't have proof that Greymatter by default doesn't know the language and can auto translate any. Greymatter could just be smart enough to know multiple languages.
  4. That's not really Accelerated Development.
  5. This is not adaptation. "Adaptation is the ability to survive and adapt to different situations and natural environments." "Adaptation only gives a character the ability to balance the resources of its current body, not to, for example, grow more durable or powerful."
  6. I suppose
  7. Limited Resistance to Antimatter Manipulation unless you can show he can take actual anti-matter attacks.
  8. I suppose.
  9. Maybe?
  10. I suppose.
 
  1. Fine
  2. Likely Information Analysis. We don't really have an indication that he can mentally analyze things like Brainstorm has in his head.
  3. We don't have proof that Greymatter by default doesn't know the language and can auto translate any. Greymatter could just be smart enough to know multiple languages.
  4. That's not really Accelerated Development.
  5. This is not adaptation. "Adaptation is the ability to survive and adapt to different situations and natural environments." "Adaptation only gives a character the ability to balance the resources of its current body, not to, for example, grow more durable or powerful."
  6. I suppose
  7. Limited Resistance to Antimatter Manipulation unless you can show he can take actual anti-matter attacks.
  8. I suppose.
  9. Maybe?
  10. I suppose.
Can you answer regarding Ascalon's tier rating?
 
  1. This is more the prison suit having a magical backlash effect and resistance to mana spells.
So NRG has Resistance to Mana Manipulation?
  1. BFR via teleportation technology is fine.
 Great
  1. Prime Azmuth hasn't built this tech for himself to our knowledge, but he potentially could if he wanted to.
Possibly Dimensional Travel then?
  1. Resistance to Power Mimicry via Morphogenic Dampening Field tech is fine
Perfect
  1. Limited Matter and Biology Manipulation (Atomic) is via the surgery is fine
Fine
  1. Not really, this is just completing the teleportation process.
Understandable.
  1. This would go under abilities via equipment like the others.
All abilities of the Omnitrix and Ascalon with technology. This is perfect.
  1. This does not meet our site definition.
Ok
  1. That's not an example of immortality.
Is this beter?
• Immortality (Type 3 and 8)
The
Omnitrix pervents Ben from dying, even if it means restoring Ben's body from being physically destroyed whether he is shattered, destroyed on a quantum level, or complete physical destruction.
  1. Not really. Purification implies that an external condition/material was put in the individual/entity in the first place. Malware essentially had a birth defect that needed curing.
Biology Manipulation or Healing then?
  1. Iffy. Azmuth can immerse people in images of his choosing akin to the ghosts in a Christmas carol via tech. It's debatable whether it's the literal past, a simulation of the past, or a projection of his memories.
If Asmuth manipulates what people can see or not then it should fall under Illusion creation, right?
  1. Limited Restoration via crystal shard and ritual is fine.
Not sure if the ritual is necessary, he likely just required the energy. So, Limited Restoration with Sacred Crystal and Power Absorption?
 
So NRG has Resistance to Mana Manipulation?

 Great

Possibly Dimensional Travel then?

Perfect

Fine

Understandable.

All abilities of the Omnitrix and Ascalon with technology. This is perfect.

Ok

Is this beter?
• Immortality (Type 3 and 8)
The
Omnitrix pervents Ben from dying, even if it means restoring Ben's body from being physically destroyed whether he is shattered, destroyed on a quantum level, or complete physical destruction.

Biology Manipulation or Healing then?

If Asmuth manipulates what people can see or not then it should fall under Illusion creation, right?

Not sure if the ritual is necessary, he likely just required the energy. So, Limited Restoration with Sacred Crystal and Power Absorption?
  1. The suit, yes.
  2. Possibly Dimensional Travel is fine
  3. 3: Immortality via regeneration: Characters with this type of immortality can simply regenerate from wounds that would normally be lethal, though its effectiveness depends on the degree of the regeneration.
    8: Reliant Immortality: The character gets benefited by 1 or more other types of Immortality as long as a certain being, object, place, and/or concept or more may grant them those benefits, losing them otherwise. What exactly a user is reliant over, the benefits given from it, and how the process of the ability operates must be explained. Simply having some weakness that will kill a character when exploited doesn't qualify if it doesn't grant a form of Immortality, and also having other powers that do grant Immortality but are unrelated to that weakness does not count as well. It is discouraged to list this type if it would be redundant due to the same power already being described in another ability of the profile.
    I'm aware of the Omnitrix rebuilding Ben from a broken possibly dead Chromastone, so I suppose?
  4. Biology Manipulation via tech is fine.
  5. Illusion Creation via tech is fine.
  6. I suppose Limited Restoration with Sacred Crystal and Power Absorption is fine.
 
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The stuff about worthiness affecting power seems more metaphorical and about skill than literally.
I don't think that's a skill otherwise George wouldn't have lost to Dagon in horrible manner. On the other hand, Ben wouldn't have been able to one shot Dagonax either.
 
You ever keep tabs on a thread but forget to give your own thoughts

I don't think that's a skill otherwise George wouldn't have lost to Dagon in horrible manner. On the other hand, Ben wouldn't have been able to one shot Dagonax either.
I think it should also be noted that George in the past was relative to Dagon, which was back when Azmuth trusted him with the sword. Also there was that whole alien purge thing that George himself commanded the Forever Knights to do, so present George ain’t exactly a nice guy and that lines up well with the worthiness = power thing.
 
You ever keep tabs on a thread but forget to give your own thoughts


I think it should also be noted that George in the past was relative to Dagon, which was back when Azmuth trusted him with the sword. Also there was that whole alien purge thing that George himself commanded the Forever Knights to do, so present George ain’t exactly a nice guy and that lines up well with the worthiness = power thing.
Do you agree or disagree with the OP regarding Ascalon's tier?
 
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