Bernkastel VS The Beyonders

[A6colute]

VS




1. Standart

2. Full potential

 

[The_Everlasting]

What's Bernkastel's dimensional scale? And what does "full potential" mean? They don't have any different forms.

 

[Quincy_King]

Bernkastel

 

[A6colute]

And what does "full potential" mean?

Bernkastel's full potential. Also called "Seagull-potence".

 

[The_Everlasting]

I'm tempted to say the Beyonders, but what's Bernkastel's dimensional scale?

 

[A6colute]

but what's Bernkastel's dimensional scale?

Ask DarkLK.

 

[DarkLK]

What's Bernkastel's dimensional scale?

Unstable (belonging to the layers is self-restriction). Likely at least around 15-16 or 22-D for CoB manifetation.

 

[Antvasima]

The Beyonders don't make any sense. Marvel/Hickman cannot decide whether they are of tier 1-B (16-D), 2-B, or 4-C.

 

[A6colute]

Marvel/Hickman cannot decide whether they are of tier 1-B (16-D), 2-B, or 4-C.

In this versus they are 1-B (16-D).

 

[DarkLK]

Beyonders are beings who are more curious than a cat.

And Bern is a cat who is more curious than a talk show presenter.

Who is more curious?))

 

[Undylan]

Maybe the Beyonders win.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

the beyonders were kind of inconsistent, they beat cosmic entities and lost to regular heroes

 

[A6colute]

the beyonders were kind of inconsistent, they beat cosmic entities and lost to regular heroes

In this versus they are on the peak of their powers.

 

[SchutzenDunkelZiel1217]

I'm gonna say Bernkastel wins just cuz he may be a 22 dimensional being.....

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

then again, do we know for sure that they are exactly 16-D, they can be far higher

 

[A6colute]

they can be far higher

Do you have any proof of this possibility?

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

i dont, but is there proof that they arent higher? or is there proof of any fixed power they have?

 

[SchutzenDunkelZiel1217]

Ok lets make them one level of infinity higher making them 17-D. This should be enough to make them infinitely more powerful than almost everything in the marvel multiverse.

Even still Bernkastel is possibly a 22-D making him stronger than 17-D being bu at least five levels of infinity. So I still think he wins...

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

but is there any proof that they are at 17 or 16 or 22 or 11D or even 4D

from what i understand, the 16 D comes from the LT statement, and from what i understand, that was a while back, and i think they were different qriters, i might be wrong

 

[SchutzenDunkelZiel1217]

The 16-D was from them (3 beyonders) killing the LT which was a 16-D at it's highest level of power. Considering that it took three of them to kill a 16-D being they should logically be 16-D beings as well.

I don't remember if it was different writers but we're going with what we're going here. The Beyonders were shown to be 16-D at their highest.

We usually go by a character's highest showings to determine their power and tier as such I'm still gonna say Bernkastel wins.

There is a possibility that they could be higher than 16-D but that's simply speculation...

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

were the beyonders stated to be outright 16-D?

if not, then i think this is a case of power sclaing.... so, idk

 

[DarkLK]

Bernkastel is possibly a 22-D making him

Bernkastel wins just cuz he

He?

 

[SchutzenDunkelZiel1217]

Their highest showing is 16-D which should logically make them 16-D at best...

Well until we get confirmation about the Beyonders dimensional state we're (Me and you) not really gonna go anywhere with this discussion so wanna agree to disagree...

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

ok, how is there highest showing 16-dd?

wasnt 16-D LT written by a different author??

ok, i agree to disagree

but i am not arguing that beyonders will win, i am arguing that we dotn know much about them, for all we know the current writters might have violated all canon (as they did with thor and his hammer) and put the beyonders and all cosmic entities at universal to star level

so itstough to put beyonders in a debate (unless if its pre retcon, cuz we roughly know about his power)

 

[SchutzenDunkelZiel1217]

He?

I know its really a "she" but lets just say I felt like typing "he" and "him" instead... (^_^)...

 

[SchutzenDunkelZiel1217]

ok, how is there highest showing 16-dd?
wasnt 16-D LT written by a different author??

ok, i agree to disagree

but i am not arguing that beyonders will win, i am arguing that we dotn know much about them, for all we know the current writters might have violated all canon (as they did with thor and his hammer) and put the beyonders and all cosmic entities at universal to star level

so itstough to put beyonders in a debate (unless if its pre retcon, cuz we roughly know about his power)

Killing the LT made them 16-D which is they're highest showing up to date ...

And I don't think it was by a different author otherwise the beyonders profiles would've been edited by now.

No one usually never says their dimensional states in Comics as such we determine them by the feats they performed...

 

[DarkLK]

but is there any proof that they are at 17 or 16 or 22 or 11D or even 4D

How about this?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I think what TLT1 said makes sense. We don't in fact know that the Beyonders were written as 16D or higher entities, as the Living Tribunal was written as such by a completely different writer, and as we know Marvel is extremely inconsistent.

The strongest Beyonders needed to build an infinite number of Molecule Men to simply destroy a simple 5-D multiversal structure, and were killed by a few thousand of them blowing up. And according to DarkLK's scan, they were previously shown as strictly 4-Dimensional. We may need to strongly revise their rating from 1-B to 2-B.

 

[fandom_420Swagnemite]

Bernkastel

 

[Hellspawn_Barbarian]

Huh? Didn't Dr. Doom fodderized The Beyonders just by busting 1000 planets or something?

Bernkastel stomps.

 

[Antvasima]

A few thousand universes.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway. I will close this.