Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) VS The Beyonders

[Not_Icarus]

-Both at 1-A

-I wonder which Beyonders are stronger now since the The Beyonders recently got upgraded into 1-A.

 

[Not_Icarus]

Bump

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

The daddies should win but Beyonder before he got retconned was quite hilariously superior to Living Tribunal, so he might take it due to AP advantage

 

[DbzDB2]

The daddies should win but Beyonder before he got retconned was quite hilariously superior to Living Tribunal, so he might take it due to AP advantage

uh no. during the secret war comics, living tribunal was way weaker than he is now. iirc he was only able to detonate stars with ease back then, so pre retcon beyonder being superior to someone who's only a star buster isn't impressive at all.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

No iteration of TLT has been star level.

 

[Twellas]

Honestly i think that not scaling PRB to outerversal LT is bs, LT was established as 1-A only a few years after SW2 and LT didn't obtain that power after a retcon or anything, the LT shown in SW2 is the same shown in the Silver Surfer run. And it's not like he was portrayed as far weaker before, he was established as a multiversal judge that exists as one entity across all of existence and that can effortlessly end reality since his very appearance in 1967, he simply had no 1-A statement at the time but nothing contraddicts it. IMHO we should absolutely scale PRMM and PRB to outerversal LT and if we were to do so PRB would be high outerversal due to MM's statement and his own monologue. Having said all of this, PRB

 

[JooCipher]

>1-A match

prepare to never be added

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

Pre Retcon Beyonder has too many weaknesses to be considered High 1-A, though. He would be ridiculously high into 1-A if we scale him from The Living Tribunal

 

[Twellas]

his only weakness is not being omniscient, his problem with death was PIS and he stated that he can know whatever he wants to know, so it's not that big of a problem, he also DIDN'T have to exhert himself to beat MM, he was clearly suppressed in the fight and MM himself stated immediately after that he stood no chance, the gap in power between him and PRB is the same gap there is between MM and Captain America, which confirms his high 1-A status as well as his monologue about all the abstracts being "microbes" to him and his "glass dome" feat (MM put every last drop of his power into a dome to protect his city and PRB laughs his ass off and erases it instantly, which solidifies the fact that PRB doesn't need to exhert himself to oneshot PRMM), the only thing keeping him from being high 1-A is that LT is not consideret 1-A at that point for arbitrary reasons

 

[Not_Icarus]

On the sidenote, Oblivion deserves True-Godly regen tbh.

 

[DbzDB2]

On the sidenote, Oblivion deserves True-Godly regen tbh.

Why the hell would oblivion have true godly regen?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

To stomp DBZ even more easily? :v

 

[Not_Icarus]

The True-Godly Regenerationn description already pretty much describes a dimensionless void like Oblivion.

 

[CorporateJ]

his only weakness is not being omniscient, his problem with death was PIS and he stated that he can know whatever he wants to know, so it's not that big of a problem, he also DIDN'T have to exhert himself to beat MM, he was clearly suppressed in the fight and MM himself stated immediately after that he stood no chance, the gap in power between him and PRB is the same gap there is between MM and Captain America, which confirms his high 1-A status as well as his monologue about all the abstracts being "microbes" to him and his "glass dome" feat (MM put every last drop of his power into a dome to protect his city and PRB laughs his ass off and erases it instantly, which solidifies the fact that PRB doesn't need to exhert himself to oneshot PRMM), the only thing keeping him from being high 1-A is that LT is not consideret 1-A at that point for arbitrary reasons

Are you telling me Cap can stand toe to toe with MM like he did with Beyonder?? LOL that was just bad writing, like Odin claiming omnipotence. Beyonder was clearly being affected by his attacks otherwise he wouldn't feel the need to defend himself. He never "one shotted" anyone, they are much closer in power than you think.

 

[Twellas]

It's not me who's telling you this, it's MM, and he wasn't affected by his attacks at all because MM didn't attack, they had sort of a slug-fest during which PRB did nothing but try to reason with MM and as soon as he saw that there was no point in talking he ko'd him in one hit along with all the other marvel characters, after this MM claims that he's not even remotely close to PRB, which is further confirmed by the dome feat and that one time MM channelled all of his power in a single blast that couldn't even scratch a suppresse, off-guard PRB. I mean, MM himself during their fight states that he's not affecting him

 

[CorporateJ]

It's not me who's telling you this, it's MM, and he wasn't affected by his attacks at all because MM didn't attack, they had sort of a slug-fest during which PRB did nothing but try to reason with MM and as soon as he saw that there was no point in talking he ko'd him in one hit along with all the other marvel characters, after this MM claims that he's not even remotely close to PRB, which is further confirmed by the dome feat and that one time MM channelled all of his power in a single blast that couldn't even scratch a suppresse, off-guard PRB. I mean, MM himself during their fight states that he's not affecting him

Did you even fully read what I wrote, that was literally bad writing lol. You're dumb to assume the gap in power is that huge and you tend to forget Owen is a character who always had mental blocks.

 

[DbzDB2]

@Corporate

Calm down this instant. How dare you call someone dumb. I'm warning you, never do it again, or else you'll truly regret it.

 

[Twellas]

It's not me who's telling you this, it's MM, and he wasn't affected by his attacks at all because MM didn't attack, they had sort of a slug-fest during which PRB did nothing but try to reason with MM and as soon as he saw that there was no point in talking he ko'd him in one hit along with all the other marvel characters, after this MM claims that he's not even remotely close to PRB, which is further confirmed by the dome feat and that one time MM channelled all of his power in a single blast that couldn't even scratch a suppresse, off-guard PRB. I mean, MM himself during their fight states that he's not affecting him

Did you even fully read what I wrote, that was literally bad writing lol. You're dumb to assume the gap in power is that huge and you tend to forget Owen is a character who always had mental blocks.

Yeah, the point is, i am not assuming a single thing, the definition of "assume" is "suppose to be the case, without proof", but my argument is backed up by: An outright statement by MM MM not being able to even scratch an out of guard, suppressed Beyonder after channeling all of his power+all the power in the multiverse The Beyonder erasing with absolutely no difficulty a dome created with every last drop of MM's power MM himself during the fight stating that he cannot affect The Beyonder While your argument is backed up by... nothing, nada, zero, nulla. Your argument boils down to labeling a statement as PIS, missing the context of the fight between them and ignoring the feats that support my thesis. When you really look at it, you are the only one assuming anything

 

[CorporateJ]

@Corporate
Calm down this instant. How dare you call someone dumb. I'm warning you, never do it again, or else you'll truly regret it.

Cry me a river

 

[CorporateJ]

It's not me who's telling you this, it's MM, and he wasn't affected by his attacks at all because MM didn't attack, they had sort of a slug-fest during which PRB did nothing but try to reason with MM and as soon as he saw that there was no point in talking he ko'd him in one hit along with all the other marvel characters, after this MM claims that he's not even remotely close to PRB, which is further confirmed by the dome feat and that one time MM channelled all of his power in a single blast that couldn't even scratch a suppresse, off-guard PRB. I mean, MM himself during their fight states that he's not affecting him

Did you even fully read what I wrote, that was literally bad writing lol. You're dumb to assume the gap in power is that huge and you tend to forget Owen is a character who always had mental blocks.

Yeah, the point is, i am not assuming a single thing, the definition of "assume" is "suppose to be the case, without proof", but my argument is backed up by:
An outright statement by MM MM not being able to even scratch an out of guard, suppressed Beyonder after channeling all of his power+all the power in the multiverse The Beyonder erasing with absolutely no difficulty a dome created with every last drop of MM's power MM himself during the fight stating that he cannot affect The Beyonder While your argument is backed up by... nothing, nada, zero, nulla. Your argument boils down to labeling a statement as PIS, missing the context of the fight between them and ignoring the feats that support my thesis. When you really look at it, you are the only one assuming anything

Funny because that still doesn't answer my question of bad writing and it's ilogical to think the gap was that big when they had a STANDOFF. Use your head for once

 

[Not_Icarus]

Someone close this because of necro and potential class 5 toxicness.