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Can anyome give me a valid big boss massively hypersonic speed calc?
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Bullets are still a threat to themDodges a tank shell and covers a noticeable distance when it's like right up his ass.
Also scales to Ocelot, Raiden, Snake, and Venom (Can perceive a MHS railgun in "slow" motion) that all have hypersonic to MHS feats in combat or perception.
Is the tank feat calced?Dodges a tank shell and covers a noticeable distance when it's like right up his ass.
Also scales to Ocelot, Raiden, Snake, and Venom (Can perceive a MHS railgun in "slow" motion) that all have hypersonic to MHS feats in combat or perception.
Not really actually, they constantly dodge bullets. They're a threat if they hit, but they almost never do.Bullets are still a threat to them
It will be, I'm doing a huge verse overhaul, I got the rough numbers and me and Chomp have discussed it a bit, it might be the fastest feat in the verse pre-MGR actually, he doesn't actually start moving till it's literally inches from him.Is the tank feat calced?
Do you think it will be massively hypersonic?It will be, I'm doing a huge verse overhaul, I got the rough numbers and me and Chomp have discussed it a bit, it might be the fastest feat in the verse pre-MGR actually, he doesn't actually start moving till it's literally inches from him.
Not really actually, they constantly dodge bullets. They're a threat if they hit, but they almost never do.
Raiden is stated to be able to deflect bullets, Gray Fox is stated to deflect bullets, Quiet sees them in slow motion, Solidus can deflect gunfire with his hands, Venom and BB both perceive bullets in slow motion. Solid has avoided railguns and of course, bullets, etc.
Hell here's The Boss dodging a bullet point blank.
Ah ok also do you know what number(s) are used for several and many and have you heard about exoskeletons?100%, went frame by frame while in 4K to angsize the distance BB was from the missile, literally inches away from it. Him merely exiting the train car before it hits from that distance is well into high hypersonic.
Running the numbers I got like mach 150-200. Of course, that's just a rough approximate, but it's around there.
There's also the fact Venom can watch a mach 291.545 (Precursor to REX's which has a stated speed of 100km/s) railgun fire and follow the path of the shot.
Well it doesn't quite matter what we use atm, MGS is undergoing revisions (eventually), almost everything will be tweaked to at least some degree. And yeah, I'm well aware of the exoskeletons. Atm though, we use some HH Railgun feats that need to be tweaked, and a calc of Raiden deflecting Tengu gunfire which is about mach 90~ give or take if memory serves.Ah ok also do you know what number(s) are used for several and many and have you heard about exoskeletons?
I have statements regarding exoskeletons for 3 important characters shall I help?MGS is about sneaking around for a **** ton of reasons, for example, the VM was because he couldn't be spotted as it'd spark international affairs.
It doesn't matter how fast you are if you're being gunned down by like 50 dudes and have nowhere to dodge and they tag you from a dozen blindspots. You could be lightspeed, if you don't see it coming, you aren't going to dodge, see FP Batman shooting Reverse Flash in the head from behind.
Point is they are literally stated to be faster than bullets, and dodge them every game. And we even see from their perspective at times, theyre slow as ****. They're a threat if they hit, but they're capable of dodging them unless they get overwhelmed by a bunch of dudes, this has been consistent since MGS2 (Solidus constantly outpaces and deflects bullets, he even deflects heavy artillery gattling fire from RAY for a prolonged period of time. Raiden is also stated and shown to be able to deflect bullets, and the Tengu's can too) with every game going out of its way to show as such.
Hell the last game even had a built in canon mechanic where the player character can use his hyper enhanced senses to watch bullets fly in slow motion. He even dodges a sniper round at one point. MGS dudes actually be quite fast is the only consistent thing about the verse ngl.
Well it doesn't quite matter what we use atm, MGS is undergoing revisions (eventually), almost everything will be tweaked to at least some degree. And yeah, I'm well aware of the exoskeletons. Atm though, we use some HH Railgun feats that need to be tweaked, and a calc of Raiden deflecting Tengu gunfire which is about mach 90~ give or take if memory serves.
Bullets are still a threat to them
You seriously did not just make these arguments.Metal Gear is about sneaking around because guns are deadly, they are faster than bullets but if they were consistently MHS then they shouldn't even care about them at all
What's wrongYou seriously did not just make these arguments.
This is peak argument from incredulity at its finest. By your logic, every single character who have higher speed feats than bullets and are still threatened by bullets because omegalol piercing damage would not even peak above Supersonic, which is not only ludicrously wrong, but it's also insanely bad logic.What's wrong
It depends on what's more consistent, and yeah that's possibleThis is peak argument from incredulity at its finest. By your logic, every single character who have higher speed feats than bullets and are still threatened by bullets because omegalol piercing damage would not even peak above Supersonic, which is not only ludicrously wrong, but it's also insanely bad logic.
Consistency alone isn't what makes a feat click. It's consistency with context.It depends on what's more consistent
So? What difference does it makeConsistency alone isn't what makes a feat click. It's consistency with context.
BTW, wasn't there a scan of an SoL laser which the machines dodge and the speed was literally written in bold? Or am I missing something?No need, I 100% already have them. If it's MGR though I'll take it, I haven't started combing through that yet beyond basic stuff and a few text dumps and guide.
I've been going through every game, checking every line of dialogue, codec, gameplay and more. I've also been going through guides like the Piggyback ones endorsed by Kojipro, as well as japanese artbooks, database, japanese manuals and interviews. Literally everything.
Probably going to be the largest CRT on the wiki once it's done, atm I'm at like 3000 clips, and nearly a thousand scans from things.
Difference is without context we can't say for certain whether a feat is valid to begin with or not. Worse still it might not even be to depict power levels like most people expect it to.So? What difference does it make
There's unironically multiple bullet doging feats every game, and the only time they're tagged is when they're blindsided and don't even know it was coming untill after it hit them, which happens so few times I can't even count it on one hand.It depends on what's more consistent, and yeah that's possible
REX has a free electron laser yeah (technically it's like 0.98c iirc but close enough), but it also hitscans Gray Fox in a cutscene, twice.BTW, wasn't there a scan of an SoL laser which the machines dodge and the speed was literally written in bold? Or am I missing something?
Doesn't apply to this caseDifference is without context we can't say for certain whether a feat is valid to begin with or not.
Like for example, anti-feats within Marvel like this guy tried to push. Not only were these anti-feats complete bait, they were also ludicrously contradicted to hell and back immediately with other higher-level feats, IN THE SAME EXACT COMIC ISSUE. Sometimes anti-feats also exist to give tension to the story because if you set up a story with that one mindset that they're the same strength all the time it becomes too boring and ends too quickly before the fun even begins.
If youre MHS the bullets would be like frozen and they wouldn't touch anyone even if they aren't lookingMGS is about sneaking around for a **** ton of reasons, for example, the VM was because he couldn't be spotted as it'd spark international affairs.
It doesn't matter how fast you are if you're being gunned down by like 50 dudes and have nowhere to dodge and they tag you from a dozen blindspots. You could be lightspeed, if you don't see it coming, you aren't going to dodge, see FP Batman shooting Reverse Flash in the head from behind.
Point is they are literally stated to be faster than bullets, and dodge them every game. And we even see from their perspective at times, theyre slow as ****. They're a threat if they hit, but they're capable of dodging them unless they get overwhelmed by a bunch of dudes, this has been consistent since MGS2 (Solidus constantly outpaces and deflects bullets, he even deflects heavy artillery gattling fire from RAY for a prolonged period of time. Raiden is also stated and shown to be able to deflect bullets, and the Tengu's can too) with every game going out of its way to show as such.
Hell the last game even had a built in canon mechanic where the player character can use his hyper enhanced senses to watch bullets fly in slow motion. He even dodges a sniper round at one point. MGS dudes actually be quite fast is the only consistent thing about the verse ngl.
Well it doesn't quite matter what we use atm, MGS is undergoing revisions (eventually), almost everything will be tweaked to at least some degree. And yeah, I'm well aware of the exoskeletons. Atm though, we use some HH Railgun feats that need to be tweaked, and a calc of Raiden deflecting Tengu gunfire which is about mach 90~ give or take if memory serves.
Are you kidding me.Doesn't apply to this case
Way to completely ******* ignore the part about sticking to that "one mentality where it gets too boring if the character is at full power all the goddamn time" part (This shit applies to all forms of fiction) and being shot off-guard from literally everywhere. If you're caught off-guard, you're not dodging shit.If youre MHS the bullets would be like frozen and they wouldn't touch anyone even if they aren't looking
My dude. They basically are frozen when they're actively paying attention. Big Boss > Gene (who can throw knives at machine gun rate of fire) >> Baby Gray Fox (Can effortlessly slice bullets and blitz dudes).If youre MHS the bullets would be like frozen and they wouldn't touch anyone even if they aren't looking
I would do that for Batman characters but its better to discuss it in the general discussionHey KING, if you've got ANY characters on the wiki who were threatened by bullets but placed as higher than Supersonic, downgrade them right now, I'm not joking.
It doesn't get too boring to see someone being really consistently fast. And how is this an excuse? If a character gets anti feats because the plot needs them to be weaker than usual then they are just slowerAre you kidding me.
Are you genuinely trolling with me right now.
Way to completely ******* ignore the part about sticking to that "one mentality where it gets too boring if the character is at full power all the goddamn time" part (This shit applies to all forms of fiction) and being shot off-guard from literally everywhere. If you're caught off-guard, you're not dodging shit.
If you're caught off-guard, you're not dodging shit.
My dude. They basically are frozen when they're actively paying attention. Big Boss > Gene (who can throw knives at machine gun rate of fire) >> Baby Gray Fox (Can effortlessly slice bullets and blitz dudes).
Hell Gray Fox's whole schtick is being able to slice gunfire, the japanese website, artbook and guide all say "Able to slice through gunfire". Of course, they basically say as much in game too. I mention Gray Fox because he has like a metric **** ton of scenes where he does that.
I mean, they even say fodder can do it
Hell here's Venom watching an actual MHS projectile move (He's also to fast to be hit by normal guns in the boss fight according to the MG1 guides, and can only be killed with the RPG-7 rocket).
Cassandra Cain says hello, Nightwing says hello, Katana says hello. Need I go on?I would do that for Batman characters but its better to discuss it in the general discussion
This is such a cop-out I don't even know if I want to tackle this.It doesn't get too boring to see someone being really consistently fast. And how is this an excuse? If a character gets anti feats because the plot needs them to be weaker than usual then they are just slower
"Bullets are a threat to MGS characters" is not an argument. PERIOD. Characters can bullet-time even without needing to see them in slow-mo within the game itself. You don't have to see everything in slow-mo to be MHS. Literally ask any lightning-timer in fiction that moves faster than lightning yet still gets harmed by bullets. Piercing damage is the main contributor to the lethality of a bullet in fiction, not its speed. Being caught off guard in multiple directions is another.Bullets are a threat to MGS characters even if they're not off guard
Cassandra Cain says hello, Nightwing says hello, Katana says hello. Need I go on?
And stop derailing with this.
This is such a cop-out I don't even know if I want to tackle this.
No it ******* doesn't. Plot's job is to keep a story fun and engaging, not boring people out with overpowered characters flooring everyone they see on their path.
"Bullets are a threat to MGS characters" is not an argument. PERIOD. Characters can bullet-time even without needing to see them in slow-mo within the game itself. You don't have to see everything in slow-mo to be MHS. Literally ask any lightning-timer in fiction that moves faster than lightning yet still gets harmed by bullets. Piercing damage is the main contributor to the lethality of a bullet in fiction, not its speed. Being caught off guard in multiple directions is another.
Cassandra Cain says hello, Nightwing says hello, Katana says hello. Need I go on?
Plot's job is to keep a story fun and engaging, not boring with overpowered characters flooring everyone they see on their path.
Literally ask any lightning-timer in fiction that moves faster than lightning yet still gets harmed by bullets.
"Bullets are a threat to MGS characters" is not an argument. PERIOD
And stop derailing with this.
Because the whole "getting tagged by bullets" is one of the worst offenders in terms of PIS. Bullet level Thor much?Why is this relevant?
In case you haven't noticed, they're Supersonic+ to Hypersonic+ for multiple consistent bullet-dodging calcs and projectile-catching calcs they have for themselves.Do you think they more consistently get tagged by bullets? If so, then maybe they aren't MHS
Not by making the character completely broken and making them shitcan everyone every time and then end the story right then and there.Its possible to keep a story fun and not have anti feats
Terrible joke is terrible. Maybe look into the context of these so-called "getting tagged by bullets" anti-feats next time?Then maybe they aren't lightning timers
Even if he didn't have to show that the bullets were frozen, this is not an argument for debunking them from being MHS.I mean, in MGS context sure, since Chariot already proved that.
Given that you're doing nothing but trolling at this point and can't even be taken seriously enough, or the fact that you don't even understand how Projectile Dodging calcs work, it'd simply be a waste of my time.We can continue this on your wall since its not related to the OP
Gray Fox go brrrr
Even dodges explosions (I actually need to get footage of that personally, no long play I found used them).This is the ONLY WEAPON that works on Gray Fox (Metal Gear Solid)
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Yeah, we know this already. That's why the speeds are what they are.Oh and one other thing id like to point out is that weapons in metal gear are far better than real life's example ocelot shooting volgins lightning and snake using the rocket launcher to blow up some rubble to save ocelot