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So, decided to make Bill's Tier 1 a reality, so...
I made now a blog explaining in detail why the cosmology should be Low 1-C, possibly 1-B.
Shacktron profile and Class G LS upgrade for both it and Bill ig.
TLDR
Agree (19): DarkDragonMedeus (1-B), Qawsedf234 (Low 1-C, possibly 1-B), Thelastmlg (Low 1-C), TheOrangeGuy09 (1-B), Reiner04 (1-B), Eseseso (Low 1-C, possibly 1-B), Quintessence_PE (Low 1-C), ZeedKZ (1-B), Accelerated_Evolution (Low 1-C, possibly 1-B), Hellformer (1-B), TheShape03 (1-B), Georredannea15 (Low 1-C), ShionAH (1-B), ReaperAndBlues (1-B), Bernkastelll (Low 1-C, Possibly 1-B), Lloydblitzed (1-B), TheGreatJedi13 (Low 1-C), Spilxson2 (1-B), Planck69 (Low 1-C)
Disagree (6): Qawsedf234 (1-B), Deagonx (Both Low 1-C and 1-B), Quintessence_PE (1-B), Georredannea15 (1-B), PonePoster (Both Low 1-C and 1-B), TheGreatJedi13 (1-B)
Neutral (2): Thelastmlg (1-B), Planck69 (1-B)
Premise
(Sorry if the following Imgur albums will seem lengthy but I'll need to give context)
Basically, I read recently the Gravity Falls comics, and I noticed that just Bill Cipher being Low 2-C is complete downplay and even contradicts the point of one of the stories.
The comic in short is Lost Legends, which brought 4 new stories to the franchise, and the story I am going to bring is is "Don't Dimension it". The plot in short is about Stanford going around the multiverse in order to see anomalies that Bill created with the Weirdmageddon, as stated from both himself and Shmebulock (who is the narrator here):
The theme of the story is multiversal, as the main plot is Mabel being lost in the multiverse after entering in the Nightmare Realm, thus entering in a whole new dimension called Mab-3l, where all the Mabels who get lost get there, due to similar objects attracting each other like magnets:
Mabel then manages to send a signal to her uncles from this dimension while they're searching for her in the Nightmare Realm (which is potrayed as being a realm between universes in both this comic and the 3rd journal, other than being straight-up called a "gate between worlds" in the show), but gets trapped from "Anti-Mabel" (her evil counterpart in short), who eventually tricks her uncles in trapping them, and sending them lost in the nightmare realm, which she calls an endless space:
Basically, what other do we know about the Nightmare Realm?
They can qualify, however, if said "higher plane" is defined as having a relationship of qualitative superiority over lower realms in one way or another, such as by perceiving them as literal fiction/unreality (or being comparatively more "real" in nature), encompassing them in an infinitesimal portion of itself, residing in a higher state of being altogether, and etc.
And this is literally what happens.
What tier would it be?
Other than the story blatantly saying that Bill's Weirdmageddon has to be 2-A at least (otherwise the whole point of the comic story I've mentioned above would be invalid), it should also be kinda of Tier 1, due to Bill flooding the universes with the NR, hence relatively affecting the NR a bit.
Aka Bill at very absolute least should be back to a full 2-A with Low 1-C range. However, I wouldn't be opposed to downscaling from Low 1-C either, as Stanford couldn't find an energy source strong enough to kill Bill despite creating something able to contain the rift and making a portal with enough energy to shake the NR.
However, I'd need to specify that High 1-C or even 1-B is the actual plan of this. Why, you ask.
We all know about the scan about aliens crashing in our Earth despite being 7 to 11 Dimensional, right?
As already explained, higher dimensions have to be infinitely more complex than lower ones, thus adding extra spatial dimensions adds also more complexity to calculations, meaning that restricted to their 3D forms, they lost their sense of direction and died. Reason is that those aliens have to come from higher dimensions with superiority over the lower ones, as otherwise the "direction" of those higher realm would be within the ones of the lower ones, contradicting the point of the bulk-space. And yes, even us 3D beings would have an absurd amount of problems at trying to be in lower dimensions, due to our vision being 2D (as otherwise we'd see both the front and back of an object at the same time). Heck, Flatland in itself has a very dedicated section about 2D beings seeing stuff in 1D due to them seeing just a line, as only 3D beings like us can see their full 2D form, so 11D beings trying to see in 3D would be literally blind.
And I'd remind you that dimensions entirely dedicated to dimensionality in GF are a thing, so the 11th dimension also existing in GF has also to be one as well.
Bill so has to be at least High 1-C (11D) due to the Weirdmageddon affecting at least those 11 Dimension, or 1-B (12D) due to the Nightmare Realm needing to be a layer above all these dimensions, and Bill downscaling from it.
Stanford also has to be Tier 1 through technology as well, due to him having such feats.
(Sorry if the following Imgur albums will seem lengthy but I'll need to give context)
Basically, I read recently the Gravity Falls comics, and I noticed that just Bill Cipher being Low 2-C is complete downplay and even contradicts the point of one of the stories.
The comic in short is Lost Legends, which brought 4 new stories to the franchise, and the story I am going to bring is is "Don't Dimension it". The plot in short is about Stanford going around the multiverse in order to see anomalies that Bill created with the Weirdmageddon, as stated from both himself and Shmebulock (who is the narrator here):
The theme of the story is multiversal, as the main plot is Mabel being lost in the multiverse after entering in the Nightmare Realm, thus entering in a whole new dimension called Mab-3l, where all the Mabels who get lost get there, due to similar objects attracting each other like magnets:
Mabel then manages to send a signal to her uncles from this dimension while they're searching for her in the Nightmare Realm (which is potrayed as being a realm between universes in both this comic and the 3rd journal, other than being straight-up called a "gate between worlds" in the show), but gets trapped from "Anti-Mabel" (her evil counterpart in short), who eventually tricks her uncles in trapping them, and sending them lost in the nightmare realm, which she calls an endless space:
Basically, what other do we know about the Nightmare Realm?
- That it needs a 5D calculus in order to be accessed.
- That it is a higher plane.
- That it contains geometric objects that necessarily cannot exist within ordinary three dimensional Euclidean space, such as Penrose triangles and Penrose stairs, which can only exist in a higher spatial dimension.
- That it is decipted as being a "bulk-space". A bulk space is basically a place where lower dimensional realms exist as infinitely thin layers within the higher dimension (and the images of the bulk space are basically the same as how is shown in GF), thus the higher dimension cannot be compactified, as otherwise it'd be contained in the 4D universe. As a reference to this point, Stanford also explains that going 2D means losing your width, thus becoming infinitely thinner, or also Bill saying that the 2nd dimension is "a flat world with flat dreams". Or also that being outside the 4th dimension allows one to see all the 4D universes at once as strips of film.
They can qualify, however, if said "higher plane" is defined as having a relationship of qualitative superiority over lower realms in one way or another, such as by perceiving them as literal fiction/unreality (or being comparatively more "real" in nature), encompassing them in an infinitesimal portion of itself, residing in a higher state of being altogether, and etc.
And this is literally what happens.
What tier would it be?
Other than the story blatantly saying that Bill's Weirdmageddon has to be 2-A at least (otherwise the whole point of the comic story I've mentioned above would be invalid), it should also be kinda of Tier 1, due to Bill flooding the universes with the NR, hence relatively affecting the NR a bit.
Aka Bill at very absolute least should be back to a full 2-A with Low 1-C range. However, I wouldn't be opposed to downscaling from Low 1-C either, as Stanford couldn't find an energy source strong enough to kill Bill despite creating something able to contain the rift and making a portal with enough energy to shake the NR.
However, I'd need to specify that High 1-C or even 1-B is the actual plan of this. Why, you ask.
We all know about the scan about aliens crashing in our Earth despite being 7 to 11 Dimensional, right?
As already explained, higher dimensions have to be infinitely more complex than lower ones, thus adding extra spatial dimensions adds also more complexity to calculations, meaning that restricted to their 3D forms, they lost their sense of direction and died. Reason is that those aliens have to come from higher dimensions with superiority over the lower ones, as otherwise the "direction" of those higher realm would be within the ones of the lower ones, contradicting the point of the bulk-space. And yes, even us 3D beings would have an absurd amount of problems at trying to be in lower dimensions, due to our vision being 2D (as otherwise we'd see both the front and back of an object at the same time). Heck, Flatland in itself has a very dedicated section about 2D beings seeing stuff in 1D due to them seeing just a line, as only 3D beings like us can see their full 2D form, so 11D beings trying to see in 3D would be literally blind.
And I'd remind you that dimensions entirely dedicated to dimensionality in GF are a thing, so the 11th dimension also existing in GF has also to be one as well.
Bill so has to be at least High 1-C (11D) due to the Weirdmageddon affecting at least those 11 Dimension, or 1-B (12D) due to the Nightmare Realm needing to be a layer above all these dimensions, and Bill downscaling from it.
Stanford also has to be Tier 1 through technology as well, due to him having such feats.
I made now a blog explaining in detail why the cosmology should be Low 1-C, possibly 1-B.
Shacktron profile and Class G LS upgrade for both it and Bill ig.
TLDR
- Bill has to be straight up 2-A at bare minimum due to the Weirdmageddon explicilty affecting the multiverse.
- Nightmare Realm is Low 1-C, possibly 1-B due to it referencing branes, being called a higher plane that's infinitely sized, and encompassing infinite universes within itself.
- Bill downscaling from the NR.
- Bill and Ford should also get both Supergenius off them creating technology that can affect Tier 1 structures. The reasons are the same in their profile, only that the realms in question would be Tier 1 instead of just 2-A.
- Bill should be Low 1-C stats also off him fighting off and eventually overpowering Shacktron, which is explicitly powered from the Portal (which has the feat of shaking the NR). Given that the Shacktron was built from Fiddleford, who was Ford's assistant, I do not see why it wouldn't fully scale from it, given that he literally did help Stanford at building the portal, so he should know how to use it in full for the robot.
Agree (19): DarkDragonMedeus (1-B), Qawsedf234 (Low 1-C, possibly 1-B), Thelastmlg (Low 1-C), TheOrangeGuy09 (1-B), Reiner04 (1-B), Eseseso (Low 1-C, possibly 1-B), Quintessence_PE (Low 1-C), ZeedKZ (1-B), Accelerated_Evolution (Low 1-C, possibly 1-B), Hellformer (1-B), TheShape03 (1-B), Georredannea15 (Low 1-C), ShionAH (1-B), ReaperAndBlues (1-B), Bernkastelll (Low 1-C, Possibly 1-B), Lloydblitzed (1-B), TheGreatJedi13 (Low 1-C), Spilxson2 (1-B), Planck69 (Low 1-C)
Disagree (6): Qawsedf234 (1-B), Deagonx (Both Low 1-C and 1-B), Quintessence_PE (1-B), Georredannea15 (1-B), PonePoster (Both Low 1-C and 1-B), TheGreatJedi13 (1-B)
Neutral (2): Thelastmlg (1-B), Planck69 (1-B)
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