Blackbeard Conqueror's Haki

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Now that the colored manga is out, we can see that Blackbeard used Conqueror's Haki infusion in conjunction with his earthquake attacks in chapters 1063 and 1064. He has the same visual and sound effect indicators as other Conqueror's Haki users, such as Shanks, Rayeligh and Luffy.

This lightning also isn’t meant to be Blackbeard’s quakes from when he shatters the air, as we saw in a previous chapter:

 

[Kachon123]

Sure this is fine. A 'possibly' rating could also work since there's no direct confirmation as of right now.

 

[SlendVeny]

I agree with the 'possibly' rating

 

[KingTempest]

I disagree if not a possibly. I’m not comfortable with calling this Hao. This looks like pure gura to me with a different color due to different coloring volume like every single volume AGAIN. Ion know if you can infuse Hao Haki in shockwaves either cause we know Newgate had both and never did show it like teach. He had 2-3 databooks with no Hao on any, no showings of Hao anywhere else, no hinting of it either. Not even allusions like Zoro. This is just coloring weirdness choice.

 

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I disagree if not a possibly. I’m not comfortable with calling this Hao. This looks like pure gura to me with a different color due to different coloring volume like every single volume AGAIN. Ion know if you can infuse Hao Haki in shockwaves either cause we know Newgate had both and never did show it like teach. He had 2-3 databooks with no Hao on any, no showings of Hao anywhere else, no hinting of it either. Not even allusions like Zoro. This is just coloring weirdness choice.

Read the whole thread, the same volume showed that the regular gura shock waves are colored black, not red.

The Gura also has never been drawn with lightning strikes (as shown with the sfx indicator).

Databooks not listing his CoC also isn't confirmation of anything as to date Zoro still hasn't been listed in the databooks with his own.

 

[Damage3245]

I would prefer to wait until we had explicit confirmation of him being a Hao Haki user, rather than rely on Haki visuals.

 

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I would prefer to wait until we had explicit confirmation of him being a Hao Haki user, rather than rely on Haki visuals.

I get the sentiment but most of the time visual indicators are all we ever get and are more accurate than databook confirmation.

 

[ReturnofKhadz]

That just looks like the quake quake with the extra added aesthetic. Oda isn't perfectly consistent with these things even in Wano (especially in the anime which he explictly had a hand in for this arc)

 

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That just looks like the quake quake with the extra added aesthetic. Oda isn't perfectly consistent with these things even in Wano (especially in the anime which he explictly had a hand in for this arc)

The Quake Quake fruit has never looked like this, this is just the same stuff we see from other haki users.

 

[ReturnofKhadz]

The Quake Quake fruit has never looked like this,

CoC has never looked like this. It's awfully convenient that a display of advanced conquerors seems to have the exact same crack-in-reality look as Gura Gura no mi, as well as the bubble that surrounds his fist like WB always had

 

[That_moron2]

I agree with Damage here, not that it matters

 

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CoC has never looked like this. It's awfully convenient that a display of advanced conquerors seems to have the exact same crack-in-reality look as Gura Gura no mi, as well as the bubble that surrounds his fist like WB always had

Red Lightning with the zapping sfx is exactly what CoC looks like.

I'm not denying that he's also using the Gura Gura no Mi in conjunction with his Haki, but the Gura Gura never has the bubble and crack at the same time nor does it produce lightning.

 

[Kachon123]

CoC has never looked like this.

Not too sure what you're talking about

It's awfully convenient that a display of advanced conquerors seems to have the exact same crack-in-reality look as Gura Gura no mi, as well as the bubble that surrounds his fist like WB always had

Yeah it is pretty convenient. Want to know why? Because Conqueror's Haki and Devil Fruit usage aren't mutually exclusive. The OP did not claim that Blackbeard was not using his fruit as well. Haki can empower Devil Fruit abilities to increase their potency. We know or a fact that Blackbeard a form of Haki on top of his Qurash in this instance, meaning the red streaks of lightning afterwards were a result of said Haki on top of the normal quake effect.

 

[Godernet]

I feel like this is the kinda topic we should wait on, no?

It's not like the series is going anywhere anytime soon, and BB is already a character full of mystery.

While sound effects and colored lightning are a cool way to maybe come up with some theories to look back on after it does or doesn't get revealed, there's no reason to force this correlation between ACoC users to be the standard they all have to operate under.

Oda could just straight up be updating the way he depicts certain abilities like Gura Gura + Buso.

Also, it's not like only Adv Conq attacks have red lightning

Maybe you could give him possibly regular conq haki.

 

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While sound effects and colored lightning are a cool way to maybe come up with some theories to look back on after it does or doesn't get revealed, there's no reason to force this correlation between ACoC users to be the standard they all have to operate under.

This is already the standard they operate under in the series. To give some context, the term "Conqueror's Haki infusion" has only ever been used once in the series, as Oda typically states what an ability is only once or twice before moving on, expecting the reader to be competent enough to understand the visual indicators he provides for said ability. This is also how he has treated Advanced Armament Haki and many other Haki abilities. We almost never get direct verbal confirmation, and even databook confirmations don’t always specify whether a character is capable of using advanced variants. In some cases, like with Zoro, they don’t even include it at all.

Also, its not like only Adv Conq has red lightning

Maybe you could give him possibly regular conq.

I'm proposing BB used ACoC because we see him infuse it into his attacks in the panels, which is what ACoC is.

We didn't see him perform a conqueror's clash like Luffy did against Doflamingo to argue that he used regular CoC

 

[Godernet]

This is already the standard they operate under in the series. To give some context, the term "Conqueror's Haki infusion" has only ever been used once in the series, as Oda typically states what an ability is only once or twice before moving on, expecting the reader to be competent enough to understand the visual indicators he provides for said ability. This is also how he has treated Advanced Armament Haki and many other Haki abilities. We almost never get direct verbal confirmation, and even databook confirmations don’t always specify whether a character is capable of using advanced variants. In some cases, like with Zoro, they don’t even include it at all.

I get that to an extent from Conq in general, Adv Conq not so much.

Their visual distinction is practically 0 outside of when two Adv Conq clash, sky split feats, or attacking without touching someone.

Just because Oda isn't always privy to direct confirmation doesn't mean we should start drawing hard lines in the sand for absolutes that conq and adv will always have.

I'm proposing BB used ACoC because we see him infuse it into his attacks in the panels, which is what ACoC is.

Just because red lightning is coming off of an attack that he's winding up does not mean it's being infused with Conq.

Which I'll show with a few scans below.

We didn't see him perform a conqueror's clash like Luffy did against Doflamingo to argue that he used regular CoC

It's not just clashes.

It happens regularly in Luffy vs Kat, two basic conq users winding up hits with red lightning coating their limbs.

Here he's winding up a Buso punch, but bc he's a conq, we see red lightning surrounding said punch

Same with Luffy here

Same from Kat here from a distance bc he's using a Mochi Donut to convey the hit.

Kaido has even used A-Conq in purple before.

Even Zoro's first conq showcase had 0 lightning bc Oda wanted to build up the reveal through Kaido's words.

Sometimes Oda follows what we expect, and sometimes he doesn't, based on the circumstances.

And if we say, "Well, this instance with Kaido was just because Oda hadn't fully worked out how he wanted to visually depict Adv Conq universally by then"

You could say the same thing for how BB uses the Gura Gura in tandem with Haki in general rather than Conq at all.

But yeah, I'm not sure if I'd even call it consistent since we have story instances of red lightning being present for regular conquerors outside of just while their haki clashes, and instances where A-Conq is used without red lightning at all.

possibly basic conq could still work tho ig.

 

[Kachon123]

I get that to an extent from Conq in general, Adv Conq not so much.

Their visual distinction is practically 0 outside of when two Adv Conq clash, sky split feats, or attacking without touching someone.

Just because Oda isn't always privy to direct confirmation doesn't mean we should start drawing hard lines in the sand for absolutes that conq and adv will always have.

The issue here is that we explicitly see Blackbeard infusing his Haki into his fist and Devil Fruit prior to launching the attack, so whatever form of Haki he used was infused. If you agree that Blackbeard 'possibly' has Conqueror's Haki based on what was shown then you also kind of by default have to agree that he used its advanced application.

It's not just clashes.

It happens regularly in Luffy vs Kat.

Here he's winding up a Buso punch, but bc he's a conq, we see red lightning surrounding said punch

Same with Luffy here

Same from Kat here from a distance bc he's using a Mochi Donut to convey the hit.

Kaido has even used A-Conq in purple before.

Even Zoro's first conq showcase had 0 lightning bc Oda wanted to build up the reveal through Kaido's words.

Sometimes Oda follows what we expect, and sometimes he doesn't, based on the circumstances.

And if we say, "Well, this instance with Kaido was just because Oda hadn't fully worked out how he wanted to visually depict Adv Conq universally by then"

You could say the same thing for how BB uses the Gura Gura in tandem with Haki in general rather than Conq at all.

But yeah, I'm not sure if I'd even call it consistent since we have story instances of red lightning being present for regular conquerors outside of just while their haki clashes, and instances where A-Conq is used without red lightning at all.

possibly basic conq could still work tho ig.

The lightning emanating from Luffy and Katakuri's fists are not because they are Conqueror's Haki users. It's because they were using large amounts of Armament Haki. Particularly with powerful Hardening to pair with it, something Blackbeard did not use. Katakuri landing a Mochi Donut on Luffy was still their Armament butting heads, not a result of Conqueror's Haki, as in Gear 4th he passively repels attacks with weaker Armament than his own.

Most advanced Conqueror's Haki users have different colors of lightning. Kaidou and Yamato's are purple, Big Mom's is pink, and Zoro's is green. You get the gist.

And Zoro didn't even infuse Conqueror's Haki when scarring Kaidou.

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There has never been an instance where a user has had Conqueror's Haki pour out of them for an attack in the form of lightning without the use of infusion.

 

[KingTempest]

The Quake Quake fruit has never looked like this, this is just the same stuff we see from other haki users.

Haoshoku has never looked like this. Other than the color it has never tinted the color of the ocean nor has it ever actually emitted lasting red light. This look like some new gura tech

This is why I'm fine with a possibly but this is a stretch for a whole solid rating

 

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Other than the color it has never tinted the color of the ocean nor has it ever actually emitted lasting red light.

It's never been used on the ocean before man.

Lightning produces light that's why it's lighting stuff up. We've also seen it done before with Kaidou in chapter 1041 (I'll send you it over discord)

 

[KingTempest]

It's never been used on the ocean before man.

Lightning produces light that's why it's lighting stuff up. We've also seen it done before with Kaidou in chapter 1041 (I'll send you it over discord)

Nevermind then. I guess I"m fine with it

 

[SlendVeny]

We should wait to see if the anime posts a hardcore edit of Blackbeard

 

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We should wait to see if the anime posts a hardcore edit of Blackbeard

Speaking of the anime, they also show that it's BB using red lightning in conjunction with his quake power.

They actually specifically show that the lightning shouldn't be conflated the quake.

 

[Achmad76c]

Disagree dude

 

[Ryuga21]

In the same chapter we see Law generating red lightning too. There is no confirmation that Teach or Law have CoC, but I admit that this scene is confusing considering that these red lightning are characteristic of it.

I'm neutral. But I think it's safer to wait until we have something concrete on that point, considering that Blackbeard is an important character to the plot, if he really has that kind of haki, it will be clearly addressed by the series.

 

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In the same chapter we see Law generating red lightning too.

That lightning was also confirmed to be his usage of Haki, and those who colour the manga went out of their way to slightly differentiate it from Blackbeard's:

the inside of Law's lightning was white, the inside of BB's was a light red which is the same way it's coloured for other CoC usage.​

In that sense I wouldn't consider what Law did evidence against BB just because they both had lightning.

I will say though that the Law example does further enforce that Lightning is indeed the indicator for Haki supporting the fact BB was using Haki in these instances if it wasn't already obvious.

 

[YmTheSuper]

I think we should be extremely hesitant to apply this considering that not only is Oda inconsistent in indicating the visual effects of different types of haki but also because Ulti of all people was producing red lightning with the zap sound effect. Would probably be better to wait for a confirmation than to jump to conclusions.

 

[Damage3245]

Yeah. Could just be Armament Haki from BB. The story will tell us sooner or later.

 

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Yeah. Could just be Armament Haki from BB. The story will tell us sooner or later.

Alright then, can you close this thread then?