Bleach problems with some calcs

[Mommyleona]

True Shikai Ichigo's casual Speed
The calculation assumes that Candice (and other femritters) are lightning timers based on them being able to perceive lightning, then calculates the timeframe from that, which is blatant calc stacking.
Regarding other potential arguments:
1. Launching lightning attacks does not scale you to them in speed
2. Grimmjow's statement only applies to his running speed, getting reaction speed from it requires a calculation which is calc stacking
3. Lastly Candice was not even blitzed by Ichigo's landing and clearly perceived it happen. Using her reaction speed as a timeframe is invalid.

Resurreccion Hikone's Speed
Calculation claims Hikone moved so fast that everyone, including Grimmjow, stood still in comparison to them, based on this statement (which doesn't even really refer to their movements being blitzed but rather their reactions being blitzed). The problem? Grimmjow was not actually fighting at that point, he was severely injured and even restrained by Nelliel, which should make the calculation unusable

Thus both calculations should be removed

Agree: @ElJoaki5, @Damage3245, @SunDaGamer, @Dalesean027, @Floxy178
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[ElJoaki5]

The first calc looks like calcstacking yeah.

For the second calc if Grimmjow isn’t moving around at lightning speed at the time the time stopped then it isn’t valid.

 

[Ralp0054]

How were these accepted in the past? They have obvious problems from the start.

 

[ElJoaki5]

How were these accepted in the past? They have obvious problems from the start.

Calcs were built different back in 2022

 

[Ralp0054]

The calculations discussed here, plus the FTL speeds found in the profiles of specific characters, should be removed.
This allows for a clean, fresh start, enabling us to present more consistent calculations and arguments.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The calculations discussed here, plus the FTL speeds found in the profiles of specific characters, should be removed.
This allows for a clean, fresh start, enabling us to present more consistent calculations and arguments.

Bro are u an AI

 

[Damage3245]

Looks like both calcs have legitimate issues to them. I'd be in favor of removing them.

 

[Ralp0054]

Bro are u an AI

How?

 

[Buraqibear]

Agree, these calcs shouldn't have even existed

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

OP is fine, I highkey wanted to do this myself so I could detail down all the problems with this calc instead of some, I have some suggestions regarding replacement calcs which will need to be done, I’m sorry but that’s just how it is, ya can’t downgrade and duck, so after you get the replacements done I hope you can make the crt to update their new speeds

Spoiler: Replacement suggestion

my suggestion is to replace the SKP Reiokyu distance to that of the IRL earth mesosphere instead of 0.1 AU

my argument for it is that if we can appeal to visuals and ang size from the sun we can do the exact same based on shown clouds as well as the Rayleigh scattering, the distance being on this end is further justified by the fact that the seretei walls in ss arc, Lille’s lights and Gerard in tybw falling from the Reiokyu to the Seretei took a very short and negligible duration and not anything near multiple hours or multiple days

Also in Floxy’s thread it was accepted that because shinigami cannot breathe in space the distance being so far beyond earths atmosphere and into space itself is a massive glaring contradiction to that scale

The only evidences that support the idea that this distance is Jupiter sized is that them saying those big timeframes

We already know the 1 week duration for avg shunpo is not straight down and via stairs so the 1 week wouldn’t amount to much

Now that was for the avg shiningamis timeframe, for ichigos timeframe, guesswork’s do not meet the strong standards of the wiki when it comes to serving as reliable and valid evidence so Tenjiros timeframe guess shouldn’t be used either, less so when there’s like 3+ other things contradicting it on screen with some of them being within the same arc

Ichigos original timeframe came on a clock in the manga which is removed shouldn’t be valid anymore due to the wiki considering manga exclusive material unsuable (I had my comments deleted by staff tryna use manga content for Grammys scaling and was told the anime takes explicit precedence so hope people keep th same energy here)

Not to mention the author probably doesn’t have that much care put into the clock to match the time and they certainly will never substitute the requirement for a hard boiled timeframe statement, we don’t have visual evidence of time actually passing that much like going from day to night so it could be1 hour or it could be 9 we don’t know unless explicitly stated

So with all that said I believe the mesosphere should be the perfect and correct new distance imo because we visibly see them comfortably above clouds but not into outer space

(I hope David doesn’t catch my ass opening the wiki , anyways back to hiatus)

 

[Mommyleona]

OP is fine, I highkey wanted to do this myself so I could detail down all the problems with this calc instead of some, I have some suggestions regarding replacement calcs which will need to be done, I’m sorry but that’s just how it is, ya can’t downgrade and duck, so after you get the replacements done I hope you can make the crt to update their new speeds

Spoiler: Replacement suggestion

my suggestion is to replace the SKP Reiokyu distance to that of the IRL earth mesosphere instead of 0.1 AU

my argument for it is that if we can appeal to visuals and ang size from the sun we can do the exact same based on shown clouds as well as the Rayleigh scattering, the distance being on this end is further justified by the fact that the seretei walls in ss arc, Lille’s lights and Gerard in tuna falling from the Reiokyu to the Seretei took a very short and negligible duration and not anything near multiple hours or multiple days

Also in Floxy’s thread it was accepted that because shinigami cannot breathe in space the distance being so far beyond earths atmosphere and into space itself is a massive glaring contradiction to that scale

The only evidences that support the idea that this distance is Jupiter sized is that them saying those big timeframes

We already know the 1 week duration for avg shunpo is not straight down and via stairs so the 1 week wouldn’t amount to much

Now that was for the avg shiningamis timeframe, for ichigos timeframe, guesswork’s do not meet the strong standards of the wiki when it comes to serving as reliable and valid evidence so Tenjiros timeframe guess shouldn’t be used either, less so when there’s like 3+ other things contradicting it on screen with some of them being within the same arc

Ichigos original timeframe came on a clock in the manga which is removed shouldn’t be valid anymore due to the wiki considering manga exclusive material unsuable (I had my comments deleted by staff tryna use manga content for Grammys scaling and was told the anime takes explicit precedence so hope people keep th same energy here)

Not to mention the author probably doesn’t have that much care put into the clock to match the time and they certainly will never substitute the requirement for a hard boiled timeframe statement, we don’t have visual evidence of time actually passing that much like going from day to night so it could be1 hour or it could be 9 we don’t know unless explicitly stated

So with all that said I believe the mesosphere should be the perfect and correct new distance imo because we visibly see them comfortably above clouds but not into outer space

(I hope David doesn’t catch my ass opening the wiki , anyways back to hiatus)

This thread doesn't touch the distance to Reiokyu calc actually

 

[SunDaGamer]

Looks pretty simple, both calcs can't be used

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

You don't know the powaaa of the AI !!

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

This thread doesn't touch the distance to Reiokyu calc actually

That’s reliant on casual lightning speed travel speed ichigo, if it’s nuked the distance dies too

 

[Dalesean027]

damn yeah this gotta go

 

[Floxy178]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[Torsin]

That’s reliant on casual lightning speed travel speed ichigo, if it’s nuked the distance dies too

Just curious how is this nuked? Grimmjow gets his lightning travel speed from a direct statement in the novel linked above and Ichigo's speed is assumed to be equal to this. There is no calc stacking involved in this from what I can see.

 

[Mommyleona]

That’s reliant on casual lightning speed travel speed ichigo, if it’s nuked the distance dies too

No no, the Grimmjow statement itself (and Ichigo scaling to it) isn't being nuked here, ya gotta look closer

 

[Mommyleona]

This can be closed.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

But it never was (doesn't look like the calcs were removed from the page either)

 

[Damage3245]

This can be closed.

What's the news on this being implemented?

 

[Arkenis]

But it never was (doesn't look like the calcs were removed from the page either)

Anyone can remove them.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Anyone can remove them.

hmmm but I want to see leona remove them for the consistency

 

[Mommyleona]

What's the news on this being implemented?

I thought a crt is needed to be made to actually implement the changes to profiles? (I planned to do it later)
I'll remove the calcs from the verse page