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"Possibly" might work, sure. But I'd like to know why he seemingly didn't look into the future once during his own battles.
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Boruto and Momoshiki CRT
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Do we actually know he didn't peer into the future in his previous battles, or are we just not told that he did?
If it's the latter, then we can't make that value judgement since we don't have enough knowledge, it's possible he did, but it's also possible that he didn't. We just don't know, so it would be wrong to make that assumption when it's ultimately unneeded, and contextually/logically unsupported.
If it's the latter, then we can't make that value judgement since we don't have enough knowledge, it's possible he did, but it's also possible that he didn't. We just don't know, so it would be wrong to make that assumption when it's ultimately unneeded, and contextually/logically unsupported.
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he cant see his own future , but he can see boruto's
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its clearly shown in the last panel of chapter 75 , it shows how far his future sight was cause we saw the boruto vs mitsuki fight , and a fight we havent seen on panel yet where shikadai, inojin and chocho are seen facing boruto telling him "just aint what a friend does" HE CLEARLY SEE'S PAST THE MITSUKI FIGHT, to otherwise is just ignoring the context. its like saying just cause shanks saw the future once he cant do what is needed and needs to keep using it defeat someone which dosent make sense as opposed to what he showed.
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So it should be chakra sensing then. Since by this sites own admission he only sees the future with the Byakugan. If you want him to see the future without the Byakugan change that first.
Okay.
Yes.
Which he does.
Not really when your falling what the site has accepted for him.
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So he could have just been using information from that to warn Boruto.
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We also know when he sees into the future the eye does this thingy.
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information is gotten from future sight which he clearly showed , and we saw when boruto saw glimpses of it
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exactly this page tells it all, he has seen all this happen(mitsuki attacking boruto) already even what we havent seen yet in the current manga panels which shows shikadai, inojin and chocho saying that to boruto . Momo see's it all too as he showed boruto when their thoughts were crossing over( is basically the reason boruto see it in the first place). and why momo can't use it against naruto and sasuke, cause he said he cant see his own fate only others.We also know when he sees into the future the eye does this thingy.
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Because he is in Boruto's body. There is no evidence Momoshiki is able to sense chakra or have any influence on the outside world without taking over Boruto's body or conciousness.
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i have no idea why this is so hard for people to understand
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I feel the same way tbh.
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Kurama could sense shit while in Naruto's body
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Also, are we now arguing that Momoshiki is currently blind while he's a spirit as he doesn't have real eyes?
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Momoshiki isnt Kurama
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But the logic of "A is inside B so A can't use his abilities" is still... not the best
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this is a strawman argument
nobody is arguing that Momoshiki is blind, we are arguing that theres no reason to assume that an ability that requires a physical presence to detect something in the present isnt going to carry over to something thats entirely a disembodied consciousness. because if he could do everything from the comfort of some abstract plane then there wouldn't be the need to have a physical vessel.
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it's a false equivalence, i understand why you might not like this specific argument because of the precidence of Kurama. but they are fundamentally not the same. one is a real living being trapped and sealed within the body of human using ninja magic and has demostrated feats of doing stuff like this, the other is the shared consciousness of two beings that are overlapping because of their genetics becoming one.
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this is what im arguing for
it's stated that he cant see his own fate, which is why i disagreed with Momoshiki having this as combat applicable, the reason it works for Boruto is because Momoshiki can see his (boruto's) fate and warn him of stuff.
Boruto doesnt have future sight by himself and Momoshiki cant use it for himself, the only reason this works is because of the circumstances of the two of them sharing a body.
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Kurama is alive while momoshiki is a spirit
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Do we have any other instances of dead ass people existing inside of others in Naruto?
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who said anything about dead people?
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a more important question i want to pose. is why are we taking the "jump up a tree" statement and ending it there as if it's not part of a larger context
right afterwards he tells us that Mitsuki has no hesitation in killing him and that he should run if he wants to live because his former friends are coming for him, the reason being that Eida has used Omnipotence to reverse their roles.
Momoshiki knows all of this,because it's part of a vision he saw for the future, (which we see a few chapters earlier) If Momoshiki has the entire future displayed to him, why would he uses chakra sensing to warn boruto and not just tell him the obvious information he already knows.
right afterwards he tells us that Mitsuki has no hesitation in killing him and that he should run if he wants to live because his former friends are coming for him, the reason being that Eida has used Omnipotence to reverse their roles.
Momoshiki knows all of this,because it's part of a vision he saw for the future, (which we see a few chapters earlier) If Momoshiki has the entire future displayed to him, why would he uses chakra sensing to warn boruto and not just tell him the obvious information he already knows.
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Seeing his surroundings with the Byakugan is not the same as interacting with the world in a meaningful way like touching an object.
Ped2018
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Just quoting this because this seems to be the most important argument in this thread
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Second option
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It is confirmed, however i am trying to push for combat applicable for Boruto or maybe Borushiki at the very least
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yes it is
seeing with an eye is the same thing as touching , which is why they are all part of the five senses .
more importantly Byakugan's dont passively see chakra, they need to be activated, what your arguing is that momoshiki conveniently used the byakugan at the exact moment when it was needed and then for the rest of the time he used clairvoyant, this what i mean by saying it's a contrived argument.
if we could scale abilities between mental and physical planes as we wish, then Sage Mode naruto would have scaled to Kurama years ago.
it's a case to case basis and theres no evidence to assume that a disembodied genetic consciousnesses will retain his physical forms powers. given that prior to this the only time momoshiki's appears interacted with the tangible world was when their minds were overlapping and Boruto activated the Byakugan which caused him to see his own future. Momoshiki hasnt even shown the ability to see other peoples futures anymore after dying and had to receive information about peoples schemes and plans the same way boruto did
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We've seen Momoshiki activate the Byakugan while as a spirit in Chapter 10.
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I really don't understand what is so hard to understand here, It has been shown multiple times that Momo can see boruto fate, events happening in the distant future, we literally see Momoshiki telling boruto that their thought are crossing over, allowing boruto to see Glimpses of what Momoshiki saw even past the mitsuki fight which the Op posted , seeing even panel what haven't yet been shown in the latest chapter of the manga where shikadai , inojin and chocho all confront boruto and tell him '' just aint what a friend would do'' , after which we find out the meaning of momoshiki words when he said those words him meant about blue eyes would make him lose everything , which meant Eida's eyes , and momoshiki further explains the power and phenomenon , while mocking boruto with a knowing smirk, this has been foreshadowed for a while now. spoiler(its like saying shanks seeing the future in the latest chap and knowing what would happen in latest chap and avoiding it or preventing it is him just sensing haki ). It dosent make sense saying a byakugan which can see the future is just predicting , or sensing chakra which are clearly all just contrived reasons to ignore the context.
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Not only is your comparison invalid because we don't see Momoshiki using precognition to see the attack coming, but you're spoiling chapters for another series before they're officially released.
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i apologize about the spoilers was the best comparison I could make, but in no way is it invalid u are just ignoring the context for your own contrived meaning. why would he need to see it WHEN HE HAS SEEN IT ALL ALREADY , AND IS BASICALLY ONE STEP AHEAD OF EVERYONE. and who says he isn't using future sight , u would never know if he used it unless he tells u which makes no sense for u to expect such , when its a basic ability of his byakugan
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Obito was in Kakashis head for a while
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thats because it's Momoshiki's spirit that is manifesting in the real world, it happens when they die, Otsutsuki's spirits exist in the real world, which is why sasuke could perceive him and later on Ishikki's spirit physically manifested in front of Code after he was killed to pass on his will. Eida was able to perceive it as well.
what your comparing isnt the same thing, momoshiki's consciousness is appearing genetically with in a host body' mind, his not some disembodied ghost sealed in a person.
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So what is the majority agreeing on? Yes for both, possibly for both, yes for Boruto, yes for Momoshiki, or No for both?
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I think it makes the most sense for just boruto to get it since momo cant see his own fate/ future.
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And momoshiki wasn't shown to manipulate time in his physical state.
I believe it's another spirit thingy
