Caine vs Alastor (0-0-0)

[The_Pink_God]

I had this idea based on absolutely nothing at all

Speed equal
SBA
Battle takes place on The Amazing Digital Circus

Caine (The Amazing Digital Circus)

Caine (Creative Artificial Intelligence Networking Entity) is one of the main characters/antagonist[2] of The Amazing Digital Circus series. He is the whimsical AI ringmaster and host of his show. Tier: 9-C, possibly 9-A physically, possibly 4-C via Creation/Reality Warping Name: Creative...

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Alastor (Hazbin Hotel)

Of course not! That's wacky nonsense! Redemption, oh the nonexistent humanity! No no no no, I don't think there's anything left that could save such loathsome sinners! The chance given was the life they lived before, the punishment is this! There is no undoing what is done!Alastor stating his...

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[Psychomaster35]

So Caine will most likely mistake Alastor for an NPC of his since he isn't any of his circus members and simply snap to poof him into confetti. Does Alastor have anything instant on him? I do know he has the potential to one-shot thanks to the tier gap.

 

[AThe1412]

So Caine will most likely mistake Alastor for an NPC of his since he isn't any of his circus members and simply snap to poof him into confetti. Does Alastor have anything instant on him? I do know he has the potential to one-shot thanks to the tier gap.

Do we have any proof that it works on non-NPCs? NPCs are Caine's creations so it makes sense he can just get rid of them whenever he wants.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Do we have any proof that it works on non-NPCs? NPCs are Caine's creations so it makes sense he can just get rid of them whenever he wants.

Nothing suggests that it's exclusive to NPCs, it just so happened that the first time it gets used was on one, but it doesn't mean it only works on NPCs since it's never stated.

 

[AThe1412]

Nothing suggests that it's exclusive to NPCs, it just so happened that the first time it gets used was on one, but it doesn't mean it only works on NPCs since it's never stated.

I feel like it should be the other way around aka nothing suggests that it works on anything other than NPCs. Why didn't Caine just use it on Kaufmo instead of BFR him?

 

[TheRustyOne]

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That's not how that works, you'd need to prove that it only works on NPCs.

Him not proofing Kaufmo is irrelevant when he didn't even "destroy" or kill him to begin with. I doubt Caine is even allowed to kill them to begin with.

You'd need to prove he wanted to poof Kaufmo but couldn't if you want that line of reasoning to work.

 

[IDK3465]

That's not how that works, you'd need to prove that it only works on NPCs.

Him not proofing Kaufmo is irrelevant when he didn't even "destroy" or kill him to begin with. I doubt Caine is even allowed to kill them to begin with.

You'd need to prove he wanted to poof Kaufmo but couldn't if you want that line of reasoning to work.

Whether or not he can do it isn’t the problem, it’s whether or not he would do it that is really important. We have evidence that proves he wouldn’t want to use confetti on any of his victims, even when they’re causing issues like all the abstracted entities. So if we assume Alastor to have been sent to the circus in the same way as the others, then it would be very unlikely for him to want to fully delete him, at least initially.

 

[The_Pink_God]

Do we have any proof that it works on non-NPCs? NPCs are Caine's creations so it makes sense he can just get rid of them whenever he wants.

Upon deleting Gumigoo, Caine says

I know you guys love your NPCs but if I start losing track of who's a human and who's an NPC, who knows what could... Happen...

This seems to imply that, at some point, Caine mistook a human for an NPC and ended up deleting them, implying his powers work both on humans

Why didn't Caine just use it on Kaufmo instead of BFR him?

Probably because his code forbids him from doing anything to humans, as in "You shouldn't" rather than "You can't"

 

[The_Pink_God]

Should we even count Alastor as "human" btw? The dude is a Sinner and a Demon, I don't think Caine has anything saying in his code he can't do a thing against Demons, it's likely he won't even see Alastor as a human and just go "What's this weird guy doing? I don't remember creating him, and he's definitely not a human, must be a virus!"

 

[Emerald]

Caine can just snap Alastor away and end him instantly, like what can Alastor even do against this ?

 

[The_Pink_God]

Caine can just snap Alastor away and end him instantly, like what can Alastor even do against this ?

One shot Caine with literally anything, Alastor could do something like create an explosion, make a swarm of demons to overwhelm Caine, just summon tentacles right beneath him and crush him, make himself big and just swarm away Caine like a insect, the list goes on
It all depends on wether Caine starts by snapping Alastor out of existence or not

 

[Psychomaster35]

One shot Caine with literally anything, Alastor could do something like create an explosion, make a swarm of demons to overwhelm Caine, just summon tentacles right beneath him and crush him, make himself big and just swarm away Caine like a insect, the list goes on
It all depends on wether Caine starts by snapping Alastor out of existence or not

Well how fast can Alastor perform his attacks? (IE. Snapping, Pointing)

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Well how fast can Alastor perform his attacks? (IE. Snapping, Pointing)

Alastor starts with tentacles, With speed equalized means he will get poofed first

With unequalized Caine gets one shoted/blitzed to tell

I believe this is a stomp either way

 

[The_Pink_God]

Well how fast can Alastor perform his attacks? (IE. Snapping, Pointing)

Snap

 

[The_Pink_God]

Actually forget what I said, it's thought-based
Either Alastor gets a hit or Caine gets a snap

 

[Psychomaster35]

From what I've heard, there is still some travel distance to Alastor's attacks, so Caine should get a chance to snap and confetti-cize him.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Indeed, SBA means they would be in fairly high distance from each other due to how ranged their attacks can reach

With speed equalized Caine would just snap and poofs Alastor, I will say this again, This is a complete stomp for Caine

 

[The_Pink_God]

With speed equalized Caine would just snap and poof Alastor, I will say this again, This is a complete stomp for Caine

I wouldn't say it's a complete stomp, it all depends on what Caine starts with

 

[The_Pink_God]

And again, Alastor could just open a portal with the tentacles right below Caine, or spawn his summons there like Nifty and the mini shadow demons

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I wouldn't say it's a complete stomp, it all depends on what Caine starts with

The only time we see anything combat related with Caine is him starting with a EE snap

And again, Alastor could just open a portal with the tentacles right below Caine, or spawn his summons there like Nifty and the mini shadow demons

It still takes time to reach him and Caine can also react and get out of the way and then proceed to snap

 

[IDK3465]

The only time we see anything combat related with Caine is him starting with a EE snap

Well, I still feel Caine using confetti right away would be pretty out of character, although it all just kinda depends on how Alastor got sent into the circus. Caine has shown that he doesn't want to use EE on somebody if they're one of his victims, even in the case of Kaufmo, where he was actively causing harm. Also, I don't think Caine would mistake Alastor for a virus or something. I mean, most of the others don't look too human either, and Caine didn't assume they were just NPCs, so he probably knows what he did and didn't create. Yes, he did state that it's possible for him to mix up NPCs and people, but that seems unlikely to happen as long as Caine was notified of his arrival and Caine didn't create anything that Alastor could be mistaken with.

Idk. He might go for EE eventually (assuming he even could do it to Alastor), but I doubt he'll start with it as long as he knows there's a chance of Alastor being an actual living being.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Well, I still feel Caine using confetti right away would be pretty out of character, although it all just kinda depends on how Alastor got sent into the circus. Caine has shown that he doesn't want to use EE on somebody if they're one of his victims, even in the case of Kaufmo, where he was actively causing harm. Also, I don't think Caine would mistake Alastor for a virus or something. I mean, most of the others don't look too human either, and Caine didn't assume they were just NPCs, so he probably knows what he did and didn't create. Yes, he did state that it's possible for him to mix up NPCs and people, but that seems unlikely to happen as long as Caine was notified of his arrival and Caine didn't create anything that Alastor could be mistaken with.

Idk. He might go for EE eventually (assuming he even could go to Alastor), but I doubt he'll start with it as long as he knows there's a chance of Alastor being an actual living being.

I mean, What you said just now is scenario dependent

SBA means they will see each other as enemies and will try to win at all costs

 

[The_Pink_God]

With Caine's AI mentality of "Must do X so will do X the fastest and easiest way I can" yeah it does sound very likely he'll just start by snapping

The only time we see anything combat related with Caine is him starting with a EE snap

It still takes time to reach him and Caine can also react and get out of the way and then proceed to snap

It's literally going to spawn right beneath Caine's feet and grab him with Class M strength, I know Caine floats but I'm pretty sure that with SBA he might just be a few centimeters off the ground
Caine could react, but Alastor could just as easily grab Caine before that

 

[XxZetsuxX]

With Caine's AI mentality of "Must do X so will do X the fastest and easiest way I can" yeah it does sound very likely he'll just start by snapping

It's literally going to spawn right beneath Caine's feet and grab him with Class M strength, I know Caine floats but I'm pretty sure that with SBA he might just be a few centimeters off the ground
Caine could react, but Alastor could just as easily grab Caine before that

Caine just snaps after getting grabbed, Not much Alastor can do

 

[The_Pink_God]

Hmmm... If there really nonsuch way Alastor could have a single wincon?

 

[The_Pink_God]

• Explosion Manipulation (Generated a large explosion strong enough to send Sir Pentious flying[7])

Maybe this could work on Alastor's favor? He just blows Caine up? Idk I'm working with what I can here, I kinda want to add this matchup

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Hmmm... If there really nonsuch way Alastor could have a single wincon?

I mean, Alastor has death manip, I don't know how that works on people though

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Maybe this could work on Alastor's favor? He just blows Caine up? Idk I'm working with what I can here, I kinda want to add this matchup

Problem is, He starts with tentacles

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Actually, Scratch that, He needs to touch with his hands for that to work

 

[The_Pink_God]

Yeah, seems like Alastor has no real wincon when Caine's first move is Gumigooing him

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yeah, seems like Alastor has no real wincon when Caine's first move is Gumigooing him

Ye, This is a stomp