Can i ask a question pertaining to arceus and the mirror cave

[Justyaaveragedebater]

I am genuinely curious about the arceus mirror cave relation, I looked through the wiki entry and in the respect thread part 2, you guys make a relation to arceus and the mirror cave stating that arceus created this multiverse? I want to know how it relates to arceus because I thought it was a multiverse that adds onto itself as time goes by and was never specified in game who actually created it, also with ultra space, I know in the game you can use him to fly through it but you can encounter multiple dialgas and palkias. What I want to know is how he is actually multiversal, because aside from my statements I haven't seen anything multiversal from the character on the wiki entry.

 

[StrymULTRA]

It's stated multiple times in the games that the creator(s) are the Creation Trio as pointed in their profiles too.

Multiple Dialga/Palkias is because Avatars as already explained in other threads.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

he created everything

 

[Justyaaveragedebater]

It's stated multiple times in the games that the creator(s) are the Creation Trio as pointed in their profiles too.

Multiple Dialga/Palkias is because Avatars as already explained in other threads.

Can you show me somewhere in the games where it says arceus created the mirror cave?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Can you show me somewhere in the games where it says arceus created the mirror cave?

Did you even read what I said?

 

[Justyaaveragedebater]

Did you even read what I said?

I did, I just want you to show me where it says he created the cave.

 

[Arceus0x]

I did, I just want you to show me where it says he created the cave.

the cave is not the creator of the universes, it is simply the portal room of sorts. A portal to parallel universes like the ones we saw in a few anime episodes of the latest season.
The creation trio made all of existence and the worlds of the mirror world are no exception.

 

[Justyaaveragedebater]

the cave is not the creator of the universes, it is simply the portal room of sorts. A portal to parallel universes like the ones we saw in a few anime episodes of the latest season.
The creation trio made all of existence and the worlds of the mirror world are no exception.

But how do you know they even created the cave? How do you know its not just a multiverse that randomly appeared one day?

 

[StrymULTRA]

But how do you know they even created the cave? How do you know its not just a multiverse that randomly appeared one day?

Burden of proof is on you about them not creating it when anything in verse says it was them.

 

[Arceus0x]

Burden of proof is on you about them not creating it when anything in verse says it was them.

strym you are the reason half the arguments go on forever instead of them ending within moments

 

[Justyaaveragedebater]

Burden of proof is on you about them not creating it when anything in verse says it was them.

I'm simply asking for your guys proof, you were the ones who made the profile, but how does arceus have any relation to the reflection cave?

 

[Arceus0x]

But how do you know they even created the cave? How do you know its not just a multiverse that randomly appeared one day?

im not the multiversal pokemon expert but ill try to find the evidence you need at the moment.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I'm simply asking for your guys proof, you were the ones who made the profile, but how does arceus have any relation to the reflection cave?

Occam's Razor says that as Arceus is the creator of everything, thar includes the Mirror Cave as well. There's simple no proof that Mirror Cave isn't included, simple as that.

 

[Arceus0x]

From the pokedex entries alone:
It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed
According to the legends of Sinnoh, this Pokémon emerged from an egg and shaped all there is in this world.
It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1,000 arms.

while those talk about the universe, it is shown that the mere presence of these pokemon can distort the world and that there are no arceuses or palkias or dialgas besides the singular ones that we know.
For example, in one of the latest anime episodes, dialga and palkia's fight was causing distortions across multiple universes, something only arceus managed to stop.

 

[Justyaaveragedebater]

Occam's Razor says that as Arceus is the creator of everything, thar includes the Mirror Cave as well. There's simple no proof that Mirror Cave isn't included, simple as that.

I don't follow.

 

[Justyaaveragedebater]

From the pokedex entries alone:
It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed
According to the legends of Sinnoh, this Pokémon emerged from an egg and shaped all there is in this world.
It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1,000 arms.

while those talk about the universe, it is shown that the mere presence of these pokemon can distort the world and that there are no arceuses or palkias or dialgas besides the singular ones that we know.
For example, in one of the latest anime episodes, dialga and palkia's fight was causing distortions across multiple universes, something only arceus managed to stop.

"Multiple universes." Pertains to the zones of the trio, like the distortion world which aren't universal in size.

 

[Arceus0x]

"Multiple universes." Pertains to the zones of the trio, like the distortion world which aren't universal in size.

that is wrong.
I would recommend this post

Pokémon Called Gods

vsbattles.fandom.com

it has lots of evidence about the creation trio's existence.

Also the dimensions where palkia and dialga reside are seemingly annime-only as according to most descriptions, palkia exists in a place between spaces.

 

[Justyaaveragedebater]

that is wrong.
I would recommend this post

Pokémon Called Gods

vsbattles.fandom.com

it has lots of evidence about the creation trio's existence.

Also the dimensions where palkia and dialga reside are seemingly annime-only as according to most descriptions, palkia exists in a place between spaces.

I'll read it and see what I can find.

 

[Arceus0x]

this is a quote from the blog "The text that is used the most about Palkia being the "creator of parallel dimensions" is from the Eterna City Pokémon Statue. As expected, the original text still don't uses the word "Jigen" to refer to what Palkia is related to, but it does specifies "many spaces" (いくつかの空間). "

 

[Arceus0x]

these are quotes from the manga
"The birth of Palkia to create many spaces" "Reaches the same spaces whether you are alive or not" "It's all thanks to Palkia"

arceus creates dialga and palkia who are aspects of him, they in turn combine each other's power, one creation all the dimensions while the other creates all time and it turns into the multiverse.

Like i said before it is also clear that they affect parallel dimensions with every action and space and time is stabilized by their existence alone.
When cyrus took control of dialga and palkia his wish of a new universe alone caused the universe to begin erasing itself and collapsing whilst also getting recreated

 

[Arceus0x]

I don't follow.

occam's razor is kind of this concept or rather an idea that the simplest explanation is the one that makes more sense.
In our situation we have entities who have shown to be the creators of spaces and dimensions that existed before anything else existed.
It makes a lot more sense to say that the creature that made basically every sentient entity in reality that spawned beings who's birth gave birth to concepts essential for the existence of a universe, who literally has been stated to have made the universe and universes - is the one who made all of the multiverse especially considering there hasn't been one entity who could be superior to him.
It just makes more sense to believe that simple theory than to assume that somehow the multiverse just started existing by itself and now its expanding all by itself despite the fact that we've seen that it was needed for arceus, dialga and palkia to exist so anything at all begins existing, like concepts.