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can you be colder than absolute zero
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Yes you can
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Absolute Zero Feats in Fiction
Absolute Zero is the lowest temperature that is theoretically possible in according to the laws of thermodynamics. At -273.15°C (0K), the vibrational motion of particles would be minimal or stop completely. In the latter scenario, the atoms would lose all binding energy and fall apart under...
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It would been indexed under temperature manipulation as well.
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Temperature Manipulation
Temperature Manipulation (also known as Heat Manipulation) is the ability to manipulate the thermal energy of oneself or the environment. While other abilities, such as Fire Manipulation and Ice Manipulation, may affect the temperature of one's surroundings, this ability refers to having direct...
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tysmIt would been indexed under temperature manipulation as well.
Temperature Manipulation
Temperature Manipulation (also known as Heat Manipulation) is the ability to manipulate the thermal energy of oneself or the environment. While other abilities, such as Fire Manipulation and Ice Manipulation, may affect the temperature of one's surroundings, this ability refers to having direct...
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Ofc, so long as the statement is consistent can be negative Quattuordecillion if the fiction specifies that
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You are welcome
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It won't give even baseline absolute zero, but besides that I'm not sure what it'd give though or how to phrase it
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Really? How does that work?It won't give even baseline absolute zero, but besides that I'm not sure what it'd give though or how to phrase it
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Was gonna say probably yeah, but I'm curious why Huesito said no
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Wait, I'll ask again are you referring to freezing an object that can already withstand 1 billion times below absolute zero? (I think I misinterpreted what you meant)
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That'd be a no then reason is the wiki is strict on Absolute Zero. You either get it by outright statements of it being well 0 (no contradictions) or perfectly having statements on the following "Completely stopping all movement and vibrations of the target's particles, effectively freezing them at the atomic level.". Some verses as a result got absolute zero even though within the verse they were using a completely different stated temperature value all because it qualified for its properties (Which is funny). Being able to freeze trillion degree or whatever fire wouldn't qualify. (Having Eccentric feats of freezing doesn't qualify, you could freeze the very concept of person [conceptual freezing damage in other words] and still not get it)
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A bit unrelated, but what exactly do you put as the temperature value when the main feat of a character is freezing something hot, like lava or something? Do you just list it as the negative of the lava's temperature, or do you just ignore it and use the second-highest feat?
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That I don't know actually know, that was something I was wondering myself.
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You need some actual confirmation as getting temperatures beyond absolute zero is technically not there as feats kinda need statements there especially depending on the visual medium
Just put the -X number degrees Celsius or Fahrenheit.
Could use the Kelvin temperature measurement too which is without the minus symbol as I have some familiarity with temperature systems
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Hmmm, a note, the three temperature measurements are equivalent to one another as in they can been converted from Fahrenheit to Celsius to Kelvin as they are used interchangeably.
As a fact, 0 Kelvin is the absolute zero, −273.15 °C on the Celsius temperature scale and to −459.67 °F on the Fahrenheit temperature scale.
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Well yeah
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Yeah, admittedly it is kinda of a habit of repeating myself (Doesn’t happen that often, but when it does, it kinda sucks tbh).
Either way, you guys got the answers.
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The actual reason is that cooling something from 1 billion degrees to its freezing point is something that can be calculated as requiring a certain amount of energy.
In real life, as an object approaches absolute zero the energy cost to keep lowering the temperature approaches infinity, meaning any finite energy use to change a temperature will be less impressive than freezing to absolute zero.
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Yeah, pretty much so. I kinda overlooked the infinity part as that is one thing when it comes to scientists trying to reach absolute zero, it is another thing of needing infinite amount of energy to achieve absolute zero
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That said, we obviously don't give characters who can reach absolute zero infinite AP, and this is partly because that would be ridiculous and partly because there's even more physical problems with true absolute zero scientifically.
Basically, we consider it its own kind of hax, and since it already doesn't make logical sense we let characters go below that value to make that hax 'stronger'.
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Also IIRC, trying to counteract Absolute Zero with Absolute Hot, they will just automatically cancel each outer given both are at the absolute peak in terms of temperature scales
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Actually maybe not cancel each out given the energy transfer, but yeah, kinda put them into a weird stuff of some moderate temperature range or something
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Well absolute hot doesn't actually exist. There's no limit to how hot something can be.
I'm not sure how we'd treat a verse that pretends there is.
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True and it is only a theory when it comes to “Absolute Hot” there anyway.
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Well there is a theorized limit called the Planck temperature, but it's less that it couldn't happen and more that we'd need to invent new math to predict the behavior of particles at that heat.
Temperature is a measure of the average kinetic energy of particles, and kinetic energy trends towards infinity as an object approaches the speed of light- meaning you can have any positive finite temperature without actually violating any laws of physics, the actual speed of the particles would just taper off around the speed of light.
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Yeah, I remember looking up scientific related things and what happens is matter breaks down into energy.
Planck_temperature
Planck temperature The Planck temperature, named after German physicist Max Planck, is the unit of temperature, denoted by TP, in the system of natural units
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Saint Seiya has attacks colder than absolute zero, and things like infinite heat rs rs.
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"Base" Gold Saint Camus is fodder to the guys that can actually make the colder than absolute zero type stuff in his verses Camus represents Absolute Zero (Even though Camus might need to be removed as a example due to a weird technicality within the verse). Thanatos cloth is the example within the need to have below absolute zero to freeze feats.
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Now the OP’s initial question and later questions are answered by @FinePoint and myself there.
I don’t think we should go too off topic here.
I don’t think we should go too off topic here.
CRT needed there, but that does mean absolute zero users are in the series tbf since I assume they do, in fact, qualify there.
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They do and those crts will take 1 thousand years. Anyhow will drop that.
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