Cannibal VS Student

[XxZetsuxX]

Manabu vs Hannibal (TV Series)

Rules:

• Speed is unequalised.
• Starting Distance: 10 meters
• Location: Restaurant
• No prep time or prior knowledge
• Hannibal has his Small Axe
• Manabu's AP: 4,6 KJ
• Hannibal's AP: 9,92 KJ

	Manabu's advantages: More Skilled Higher LS Higher travel and combat speed More Analytical Fear Inducement via SI	Manabu - SatellaTheWoE, TheHuntsman1001, Doggo, XxZetsuxX, Scrostinger, DeltaStriker22, Friedoil11
	Hannibal's advantages: Smarter Higher AP and Durability Armed Higher Range Higher Stamina Better senses More experienced	Hannibal -

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I will leave this here in case anyone is curious;

Suzune has 3 martial arts and ANPR - Gets outskilled by Ibuki who has no ANPR and only 1 MA - Ryuen is more skilled than Ibuki and created his own martial arts via countless brawls - Manabu stomps all of these guys

 

[Friedoil11]

Yeah, it's pretty difficult here. Hannibal would need to use less hits to kill Manabu than the ither way around, without counting the fact that he could use Pressupe Points at his advantage. Now, Manabu has Pressure Points too and is more skilled, so that is a great for him since he might have an edge in fighting. Now, I think it depends on who uses his advantages better, because if Hannibal uses his weapon and higher range to make so that Manabu won't outskill him, he wins. If Manabu gets in range, he could use pressure points to paralize his opponent and then finishing him off. For now, I'll vote Hannibal FRA and because he has higher stamina.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yeah, it's pretty difficult here. Hannibal would need to use less hits to kill Manabu than the ither way around, without counting the fact that he could use Pressupe Points at his advantage. Now, Manabu has Pressure Points too and is more skilled, so that is a great for him since he might have an edge in fighting. Now, I think it depends on who uses his advantages better, because if Hannibal uses his weapon and higher range to make so that Manabu won't outskill him, he wins. If Manabu gets in range, he could use pressure points to paralize his opponent and then finishing him off. For now, I'll vote Hannibal FRA and because he has higher stamina.

Manabu can instill fear in him, can easily outpace his attacks via higher speed, predict his attacks and disarm him with higher LS

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Also in COTE, Pressure Points can easily stun you via intense pain

Edit: It's also too early to vote btw

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

Following.

Why does Hannibal have this when both are baseline Genius?

Higher IQ

Also leaning Manabu since he has the speed advantage, skill advantage and ANPR. I don't see him getting hit and he will likely land enough strikes to take down Hannibal before running out of stamina.

I'll wait for more arguments from both sides before voting though.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

We first need to discuss if Hannibal can bypass Manabu's fear inducement, he could scare a entire gym of students with just his presence alone (he would technically upscale Ryuen who can stun someone who stomps him in stats)

If he doesn't bypass this, Hannibal's fighting ability will be heavily affected by this, not to mention, with Manabu kinda stomping in skill, Hannibal will have a serious hard time tagging Manabu considering he has higher speed and predictions on his side, pressure points in COTE are able to cause so much pain it will cause the opponent to get stunned from pain alone

This could easily allow him to bypass Hannibal's axe and allow Manabu to disarm him, and from there, he could just proceed to skill stomp or choke him out

Why does Hannibal have this when both are baseline Genius?

This does not make a difference, by feats Hannibal no diffs Manabu in IQ related things (SCD)

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

This does not make a difference, by feats Hannibal no diffs Manabu in IQ related things (SCD)

You can't just assume SCD things here so it does matter. Both profiles have a baseline genius rating so unless that changes they should be relative to each other in intelligence. If you think Hannibal needs to be higher than get to At least Genius or Genius, Likely Higher or something.

Just saying SCD has Hannibal above Manabu won't cut it since that's just an opinion.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

You can't just assume SCD things here so it does matter. Both profiles have a baseline genius rating so unless that changes they should be relative to each other in intelligence. If you think Hannibal needs to be higher than get to At least Genius or Genius, Likely Higher or something.

No, that is definitely not how it works

Takuya, Ichika, Ryuen, Manabu etc etc are also genius but Takuya stomps them to oblivion

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

No, that is definitely not how it works

Takuya, Ichika, Ryuen, Manabu etc etc are also genius but Takuya stomps them to oblivion

In verse comparisons are much more clean than cross verse obviously. Hannibal doesn't have feats or statements of outsmarting or being overwhelmingly superior to Manabu because they are from different verses obv. So since they are both Genius this should be "Likely Smarter" to Hannibal in that case.

I guarantee there is someone in SCD who scales Manabu higher, I also know people who would object to him being Genius at all (not saying I agree with that tbc) but all I'm saying is using "SCD says so" isn't really valid here. SCD says a lot of things.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Higher IQ or smarter is technically the same thing

But sure ig

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

Higher IQ or smarter is technically the same thing

But sure ig

No I'm saying at least change this to Hannibal is "Likely Smarter" instead of "Is Smarter" if all you are using to support that is common SCD takes.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

No I'm saying at least change this to Hannibal is "Likely Smarter" instead of "Is Smarter" if all you are using to support that is common SCD takes.

Based on the profiles, Hannibal is easily smarter

I'm going by profiles

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

How much speed difference is between the two? Could i get some analytical prediction feats for manabu and hannibel too

 

[XxZetsuxX]

How much speed difference is between the two? Could i get some analytical prediction feats for manabu and hannibel too

Difference is like;

Hannibal is 51 m/s, whereas Manabu is 84,4 m/s

ANPR for Manabu is upscaling Suzune who can predict via face, shoulder and legs due to her copying her brother

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Difference is like;

Hannibal is 51 m/s, whereas Manabu is 84,4 m/s

ANPR for Manabu is upscaling Suzune who can predict via face, shoulder and legs due to her copying her brother

manabu takes this then

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I will start counting votes now ig

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

Voting Manabu FRA

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Counted

 

[Doggo]

I will leave this here in case anyone is curious;

Suzune has 3 martial arts and ANPR - Gets outskilled by Ibuki who has no ANPR and only 1 MA - Ryuen is more skilled than Ibuki and created his own martial arts via countless brawls - Manabu stomps all of these guys

More martials means nothing, honestly.

Lecter is out there killing groups of trained guards and matching Crawford, who is a skilled FBI agent and former Marine.

I'm honestly voting for Lecter here. His higher durability and stamina would let him endure more blows, while his AP and LS advantage, along with his pressure points, would wear Manabu down quicker than vice versa. Never mind the fact that he has actual weapons here, which would let him deal more damage and attain a higher range.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

More martials means nothing, honestly.

Adds versatility

Lecter is out there killing groups of trained guards and matching Crawford, who is a skilled FBI agent and former Marine.

Ngl, unless feats are presented, they are Ibuki and Suzune victims

I'm honestly voting for Lecter here. His higher durability and stamina would let him endure more blows, while his AP and LS advantage,

He doesn't have LS advantage (he gets no diffed here)

along with his pressure points, would wear Manabu down quicker than vice versa.

ANPR goes brrr

Never mind the fact that he has actual weapons here, which would let him deal more damage and attain a higher range.

Fear inducement will weaken his fighting ability (no one has presented feats of Lecter resisting this)

 

[Doggo]

Adds versatility

Ngl, unless feats are presented, they are Ibuki and Suzune victims

He doesn't have LS advantage (he gets no diffed here)

ANPR goes brrr

Fear inducement will weaken his fighting ability (no one has presented feats of Lecter resisting this)

Fair


I disagree. Being a former Marine and a respected FBI agent already makes you more skilled than simply knowing martial arts or going to "endless" brawls against middle school delinquents (especially when we know Ryuen spends most of his time getting beaten up, only winning through raw persistence, as we can infer from the narration of his fight with Hosen).

nvm fair on the LS bit

ANPR is sweet and all until you realize Manabu has never dealt with weapons. He is not going to immediately predict the attack patterns of a weapon he has never dealt with. Even worse is Lecter relying on his durability and stamina advantage to either outlast Manabu or charging at him, unaffected by his blows.

Fear would not work on a guy who clearly has high willpower just by looking at his stamina section. If this Lecter is anything like the books (peak btw.) , then his childhood would be far more traumatic than any fear Manabu induces.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I disagree. Being a former Marine and a respected FBI agent already makes you more skilled than simply knowing martial arts or going to "endless" brawls against middle school delinquents (especially when we know Ryuen spends most of his time getting beaten up, only winning through raw persistence, as we can infer from the narration of his fight with Hosen).

Never said anything about Ryuen or Housen tho but Ryuen is more skilled than Ibuki that's for sure

• Ibuki can gauge your skill level via movements
• Fight comfortably in slippery enviroments
• Feints
• Ibuki won against Suzune who can predict her movements with skill alone and can strategize mid fight

ANPR is sweet and all until you realize Manabu has never dealt with weapons.

He predicts face, shoulder and leg movements, nothing to do with weapons lol

It would work regardless since he is still moving his body

He can also disarm him too (higher skill, speed and LS solves this)

He is not going to immediately predict the attack patterns of a weapon he has never dealt with. Even worse is Lecter relying on his durability and stamina advantage to either outlast Manabu or charging at him, unaffected by his blows.

Durability and stamina are useless if he just chokes the crap out of Lecter

Fear would not work on a guy who clearly has high willpower just by looking at his stamina section. If this Lecter is anything like the books (peak btw.) , then his childhood would be far more traumatic than any fear Manabu induces.

Send some stuff pls

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

More martials means nothing, honestly.

Lecter is out there killing groups of trained guards and matching Crawford, who is a skilled FBI agent and former Marine.

I'm honestly voting for Lecter here. His higher durability and stamina would let him endure more blows, while his AP and LS advantage, along with his pressure points, would wear Manabu down quicker than vice versa. Never mind the fact that he has actual weapons here, which would let him deal more damage and attain a higher range.

Thing with skill scaling is that without feats, most of the "generally" skilled people are absolute garbage in comparison to those with feats

Especially, Manabu here has enough skill + speed that he did be able to comfortably dodge the attacks even with a longer range and just punch the shit out of him.

I disagree. Being a former Marine and a respected FBI agent already makes you more skilled than simply knowing martial arts or going to "endless" brawls against middle school delinquents (especially when we know Ryuen spends most of his time getting beaten up, only winning through raw persistence, as we can infer from the narration of his fight with Hosen).

No disrespect to any officials, but without feats they are practically sitting ducks with stats against someone with anpr and info analysis. Any movement they attempt to make will immedietely be read and countered

Think of it like this:

Char A swing his weapon->Char B has already read where the weapon will be thrown and moves to avoid it and counter on the same move-> Char A gets hit

The damage would also accumulate overtime and we can expect to see some serious performance declination after 4-5 hits, Hannibel would need to land atleast 1 hit per 2 hits to be on the same footing as manabu and i just dont see that happening because of the skill gap

 

[Doggo]

Voting for Suzune's big bro then

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Counted

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I will vote for Manabu FRA

 

[Scrostinger]

loving the manabu propaganda

manabu fra

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Counted

 

[DeltaStriker22]

Manabu fra

 

[Friedoil11]

I'll change my vote to Manabu FRA

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

This is Grace correct?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yes

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Grace ended, i will be adding the match to the profiles