Carboniferous Insects CRT

[Roachman40]

Meganeura was 240 grams, and scaling it to its modern day counterparts granted it 27 Joules in kinetic energy, 10-C+

While KE isn't so widely distributed like this iirc, griffinflies literally 'ram' into prey at fast speeds, snatching them mid-flight. So I think this is somewhat warranted

Mazothairos should also get 10-C+ to some degree, considering not only is it one of the largest insects, it has come into conflict with griffinflies like meganeura before

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[Creaturemaster971]

Ah a CRT for the most controversial verse.

Just following since I lack the know-how, but this looks fine to me at a glance.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Seems solid

 

[PsychoWarper]

Seems overall fine to me

 

[Tllmbrg]

Tremble against its might for now you must face the only 10-C+ creature on the site
Anyways looks good

 

[Roachman40]

I think we have enough agreements, I am going to add this

 

[Armorchompy]

I'm not sure about a creature that's less than 1/4 kg being almost as strong as a human being, to be honest. Hawks typically slow down a little when approaching the prey, tackle smaller targets and grapple them instead of smashing against them at full speed so the KE probably doesn't fully scale to them.

 

[Roachman40]

I'm not sure about a creature that's less than 1/4 kg being almost as strong as a human being, to be honest.

Not really almost as strong, I think, its still pretty far away from 40 joules. And things much lighter than a human have reached the 10-C+ level before.

Hawks typically slow down a little when approaching the prey, tackle smaller targets and grapple them instead of smashing against them at full speed so the KE probably doesn't fully scale to them.

I dont think comparing a hawk to a griffinfly is the best comparison, considering their hunting styles where quite different iirc. While griffinflies did use the 'flying beartrap' tactic on smaller prey, griffinflies weren't really preying on only smaller targets, and where preying on large Palaeodictyopterans, which where similar in size.

Dragonflies have did the 'fly into prey' thing before, so I don't see why meganeura, a griffinfly who is said to have similar behavior to modernday dragonflies, wouldn't be able to do it.

I feel that also implies that meganeura wouldn't be able to withstand the energy of its full speed. Like if it flew into something at top speed it would die or be severly injured, which I doubt, but then again im not sure if it works like that.




scans:
this (Ik its a tier zoo video, but for some reason I cant find the actual video of the dragonfly at all lmao)
this
this

 

[Armorchompy]

Not really almost as strong, I think, its still pretty far away from 40 joules. And things much lighter than a human have reached the 10-C+ level before.

I mean that's like, a punch from a young teen level. And idk have they?

this (Ik its a tier zoo video, but for some reason I cant find the actual video of the dragonfly at all lmao)

I mean, it's still tackling a much smaller prey here. That means the dragonfly doesn't take the full kinetic energy since most of it just goes into pushing the bug, it's an elastic collision. It's kinda like kicking a ball vs kicking a concrete wall

 

[Roachman40]

I mean that's like, a punch from a young teen level. And idk have they?

I mean, Meganeura was huge. Also yes, as seen here and here, things much smaller than humans have reached 10-C+

I mean, it's still tackling a much smaller prey here. That means the dragonfly doesn't take the full kinetic energy since most of it just goes into pushing the bug, it's an elastic collision. It's kinda like kicking a ball vs kicking a concrete wall

I dont think comparing a hawk to a griffinfly is the best comparison, considering their hunting styles where quite different iirc. While griffinflies did use the 'flying beartrap' tactic on smaller prey, griffinflies weren't really preying on only smaller targets, and where preying on large Palaeodictyopterans, which where similar in size.

My points here also still stand

Dragonflies have did the 'fly into prey' thing before, so I don't see why meganeura, a griffinfly who is said to have similar behavior to modernday dragonflies, wouldn't be able to do it.

I feel that also implies that meganeura wouldn't be able to withstand the energy of its full speed. Like if it flew into something at top speed it would die or be severly injured, which I doubt, but then again im not sure if it works like that.

 

[Armorchompy]

Kiwis are rated based on KE which should ideally be removed. Iguanas... idk why they're there tbh but still they're dozens of times heavier.

And yeah tackling something of comparable size still means you don't take much of the KE especially when airborne. That is a more grey case though.

 

[Roachman40]

Kiwis are rated based on KE which should ideally be removed. Iguanas... idk why they're there tbh but still they're dozens of times heavier.

ehhh still, animals much lighter than humans can reach these levels like I have proved, thus I don't think that can be held against meganeura. Iguanas aren't really that heavy either lol, and are less than 10 lbs iirc

And yeah tackling something of comparable size still means you don't take much of the KE especially when airborne. That is a more grey case though.

ehh it still warranted imo, you said yourself it is somewhat of a grey case. Unless I'm missing something, its still dishing out this amount of KE otherwise

hell, you can make it a 'possibly below average human level+', similar to how the black mamba page does it.

 

[Armorchompy]

I think it's fine to put it in the profile but idk about scaling it to striking strength or durability mostly.

 

[Roachman40]

I think it's fine to put it in the profile but idk about scaling it to striking strength or durability mostly.

I agree with lowering striking strength

I am ehh at changing the durability back, but yea sure

 

[Roachman40]

I think this can be closed now