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Chainsaw Devil vs Radio Demon

Alastor is physically weaker, but has a much greater reach, a numerical advantage with summons, higher AP and LS with Tentacles, and can teleport and turn into a shadow to avoid attacks, and is more intelligent.

Due to Pochita's regeneration and resistance, the fight could take a while, but i think Alastor can finish it with a soul seal, BFR, or by injuring Pochita until he needs blood.

Alastor FRA
 
but i think Alastor can finish it with a soul seal, BFR, or by injuring Pochita until he needs blood.
Soul Seal isn't ineffective if he can't kill Pochita. Pochita is also skilled enough to dodge Alastor's attacks, considering he often spams things like minions and shadows to keep the target engaged, and it wouldn't easily hit someone as mobile as Pochita.
 
Alastor can't kill sinners as they have low-godly Regen overtime yet can soul deal them anyway, soul deal is 100% a wincon to Pochita's High-Mid Regen.
Al can also just turn into a shadow at any time and Pochita can't hit him due to no Shadow-based NPI.
That said, Pochita can dodge and can erase him if need be but I'm gonna lean towards Al due to being a shadow merchant and has stealth mastery
 
Alastor can't kill sinners as they have low-godly Regen overtime yet can soul deal them anyway, soul deal is 100% a wincon to Pochita's High-Mid Regen.
Al can also just turn into a shadow at any time and Pochita can't hit him due to no Shadow-based NPI.
That said, Pochita can dodge and can erase him if need be but I'm gonna lean towards Al due to being a shadow merchant and has stealth mastery
Essentially, if Alastor takes a hit and loses blood or body parts, Alastor will only become weaker. Therefore, unless Alastor delivers an immediate knockout blow, Pochita will completely win in a battle of attrition.
 
Furthermore, Pochita's speed is also a concern; Pochita scales from Quanxi, and the chain would be Pochita >~ Quanxi > Denji > Fake Chainsaw Man > 6,444 Mach
 
I mean, we can use it because, as described, Pochita is much faster than his current "speed" rating suggests.

Things like that are applied in other (Equal Speed) matches, right? If I remember correctly?
unless he has a speed amp, no
 
Alastor also showed that he was weakened when his staff was slashed, and could the staff be connected to his soul in some way? But I think if Adam could break it normally, Pochita could do the same (except Pochita doesn't have an Angelic Weapon).
 
I mean, we can use it because, as described, Pochita is much faster than his current "speed" rating suggests.

Things like that are applied in other (Equal Speed) matches, right? If I remember correctly?
Scaling chains mean nothing in an equal speed matchup, they're equal in speed so they'd be equal in speed scaling chains.
Unless Pochita has a speed amp, the scaling chain means nothing in an equal speed matchup
 
I would vote for Pochita; he has more logical wincons for me with his considerable mobility and tenacity. Alastor only needs to have parts or blood devoured to immediately lose his advantage, and Alastor's staff can break, reducing his own stats.
 
Essentially, if Alastor takes a hit and loses blood or body parts, Alastor will only become weaker. Therefore, unless Alastor delivers an immediate knockout blow, Pochita will completely win in a battle of attrition.
Dodging hits with his skill and shadow powers is pretty much Alastor's bread and butter.
 
If locked in Pochita's chains, I think Alastor has no way to escape. Alastor only has Class G tentacles, but is only Class K physically.
 
Which skill? Here, I don't see Alastor's skills being significantly superior to Pochita's, or even not superior at all.
Enough skill to easily outmanoeuvre Adam and beat 100% Vox despite being weaker. But even if you think Pochita is more skilled, he doesn't really have an answer for Alastor's shadow transformation, which is also pseudo teleportation.
If locked in Pochita's chains, I think Alastor has no way to escape. Alastor only has Class G tentacles, but is only Class K physically.
Can't really do that against an intangible opponent.

We shouldn't forget that Alastor's tentacles have an LS advantage too.
 
But even if you think Pochita is more skilled, he doesn't really have an answer for Alastor's shadow transformation, which is also pseudo teleportation
I didn't see him do that when he was in this state when he fought Adam and just used it to escape; he seemed more like a form for his soldiers and shadows to do the work.

And that didn't give Alastor another wincon, because he can only use Soul Deal after killing Pochita, as we still don't know how it works except for his mention of defeating the Vox. And his Shadow isn't very useful besides evasion? It can explode, but considering he didn't use it against Adam, only when he was weakened, and broke his deal with Rossie to fight the Vox, that was enough for Pochita to do what she needed to do: dodge and devour Alastor.
Can't really do that against an intangible opponent.

We shouldn't forget that Alastor's tentacles have an LS advantage too.
He excels at using his tentacles, not his shadow as mentioned in his profile, and his intang is selective, not always used. Even when taking a barrage of Vox attacks, he only uses it as a means to dodge. The only time he uses his shadow to attack is with the bridge, but Alastor doesn't use it against Vox (possibly because he thinks his shadow isn't enough to damage Vox).
 
I didn't see him do that when he was in this state when he fought Adam and just used it to escape; he seemed more like a form for his soldiers and shadows to do the work.
That was season 1 Alastor, before je got humbled. You can see in his fight against 100% Vox that he uses it much more frequently.
And that didn't give Alastor another wincon, because he can only use Soul Deal after killing Pochita, as we still don't know how it works except for his mention of defeating the Vox.
*Soul Seal
Alastor sealed Overlords long before any sinners had the means to kill eachother, so saying that he needs to kill Pochita doesn't work. All we can infer is that physically overpowering and defeating someone seems to be a requirement but that's it.
And his Shadow isn't very useful besides evasion? It can explode, but considering he didn't use it against Adam, only when he was weakened, and broke his deal with Rossie to fight the Vox, that was enough for Pochita to do what she needed to do: dodge and devour Alastor.
I don't fully understand what you mean here, but I already covered why Alastor didn't turn into a shadow against Adam.
And evasion is all that's needed really. If Pochita ever grabs Alastor, he can just turn into a shadow and escape, because Pochita doesn't have NPI for shadows (unlike Vox, which is why he could trap Al with his cables).
He excels at using his tentacles, not his shadow as mentioned in his profile, and his intang is selective, not always used. Even when taking a barrage of Vox attacks, he only uses it as a means to dodge. The only time he uses his shadow to attack is with the bridge, but Alastor doesn't use it against Vox (possibly because he thinks his shadow isn't enough to damage Vox).
His tentacles are made of darkness though. We see it against Velvette:

Again using it as evasion is enough, Pochita simply can't touch him in that state. He just needs to spam his tentacles, and his explosions to defeat Pochita.
Also he literally tries to impale Vox with his shadows:
 
Alastor sealed Overlords long before any sinners had the means to kill eachother, so saying that he needs to kill Pochita doesn't work. All we can infer is that physically overpowering and defeating someone seems to be a requirement but that's it.
What? The only condition we know is that he has to defeat someone in order to completely seal them, not that he can seal them whenever he wants; that's not how it works.
His tentacles are made of darkness though
It's unclear what the issue is, but his profile clearly states "tentacles" and not "shadow".
That was season 1 Alastor, before je got humbled. You can see in his fight against 100% Vox that he uses it much more frequently.
It's clear that Rossie had to go through a contract break and start to weaken after the club broke before he started using it regularly.
I don't fully understand what you mean here, but I already covered why Alastor didn't turn into a shadow against Adam.
And evasion is all that's needed really. If Pochita ever grabs Alastor, he can just turn into a shadow and escape, because Pochita doesn't have NPI for shadows (unlike Vox, which is why he could trap Al with his cables).
Is it necessary? Yes, but transforming into a shadow is something he would do unless he was "immediately" swallowed or hit hard enough to injure him. Considering that shadow transformation is only used for "dodging" when necessary, it's not worth mentioning, especially not worthy of being a wincons. And another thing, there are also breaks when using shadow transformation; notably, he doesn't use it frequently against The Vees and only uses it as a means of avoidance as mentioned above. He still gets punched by Valentino, still gets hit by Vox when both are in their base forms.
 
What? The only condition we know is that he has to defeat someone in order to completely seal them, not that he can seal them whenever he wants; that's not how it works.
I think there was a misunderstanding, because that's exactly what I meant
All we can infer is that physically overpowering and defeating someone seems to be a requirement but that's it.
It's unclear what the issue is, but his profile clearly states "tentacles" and not "shadow".
Because they are tentacles, they're just also made out of shadow. The distinction is irrelevant because they're all forms of his magic either way.
It's clear that Rossie had to go through a contract break and start to weaken after the club broke before he started using it regularly.
He was purposely trying to lose against the Vees and even then he still used it to hide from Box, and that was before breaking out of his deal.
Again Al was messing around against Adam and he got punished for it. You can see he's much more focused against 100% Vox just by the fact that he's not talking or trying to Aura Farm.
Either way it doesn't matter, Alastor is now free from his deal and has shown that he no longer fights arrogantly, so he'll simply do what's optimal.
Is it necessary? Yes, but transforming into a shadow is something he would do unless he was "immediately" swallowed or hit hard enough to injure him. Considering that shadow transformation is only used for "dodging" when necessary, it's not worth mentioning, especially not worthy of being a wincons
What do you mean "not worthy of mentioning"? You can't just sweep the fact that Alastor can just make himself untouchable to Pochita at any moment under the rug, it's a valid wincon that counters a lot of Pochita's own, such as LS diff.
And another thing, there are also breaks when using shadow transformation; notably, he doesn't use it frequently against The Vees and only uses it as a means of avoidance as mentioned above. He still gets punched by Valentino, still gets hit by Vox when both are in their base forms.
I said this before but I'll elaborate: Alastor was holding back here (mostly in terms of not using all of his abilities), he was purposely trying to be put in a situation where Vox believed he had the upper hand so he could trick him with a deal. Not by a huge amount, but still.
There's also the fact that this is his first fight after being weakened by Adam, so he's also testing what he can and can't do anymore. We see him struggling a few times to use his powers or being surprised by how much he's been weakened like when Velvette pierced his shield.
So him not using his shadow transformation frequently against the Vees can be explained by the context of the story. When he later fights 100% Vox, the only times he gets hit are when he's punched in the back or when Vox uses his own pseudo-teleportation. Every other time Alastor dodges and makes frequent use of his shadow form.
 
Al can also just turn into a shadow at any time and Pochita can't hit him due to no Shadow-based NPI.
That said, Pochita can dodge and can erase him if need be but I'm gonna lean towards Al due to being a shadow merchant and has stealth mastery
NPI should not be an issue, considering the fact that hybrids can casually cut through intangible beings like the Ghost Devil, and by extension, Pochita should be able to do so himself.

Not to mention Pochita's experience in fighting large groups of opponents, using environmental tactics to his advantage, leveraging huge pieces of the ground and practically having a one-shot kill win con here.

The fact that it is largely overlooked that Pochita can slice through everyone here and kill them instantly is quite significant, especially among his superior acrobatics, existence erasure and whatnot.

Is there a reason why Pochita would have a lower chance of winning this matchup?
 
NPI should not be an issue, considering the fact that hybrids can casually cut through intangible beings like the Ghost Devil, and by extension, Pochita should be able to do so himself.

Not to mention Pochita's experience in fighting large groups of opponents, using environmental tactics to his advantage, leveraging huge pieces of the ground and practically having a one-shot kill win con here.

The fact that it is largely overlooked that Pochita can slice through everyone here and kill them instantly is quite significant, especially among his superior acrobatics, existence erasure and whatnot.

Is there a reason why Pochita would have a lower chance of winning this matchup?
npi with ghostly intangility, not shadow based intangibly.
not all NPI covers NPI if that makes sense
 
npi with ghostly intangility, not shadow based intangibly.
not all NPI covers NPI if that makes sense
That's odd. I'm sure the premise is that if you can hit things which are intangible, you are able to hit all things which are intangible, unless there is a known rule against it.
as for the rest of your rseponse, give me a few moments. I'm on the road and i need my computer to lock in
Gotcha
 
That's odd. I'm sure the premise is that if you can hit things which are intangible, you are able to hit all things which are intangible, unless there is a known rule against it.
Well according to the NPI page:
An additional note is that having non-physical interaction does not mean a user can universally interact with all concepts or types of non-solid entities. For example, being able to harm someone made completely of water would not inherently give the person the ability to interact with a massless being like a creature fully composed of shadows or a creature that exists as psionic energy. By the same nature, being able to interact with a ghost would not automatically mean that an NPI user could strike someone with phasing or elemental intangibility, as those states avoid the strike altogether. Ultimately, NPI for a specific person or series needs to be looked at in terms of interaction. Some forms of NPI, such as interacting with a pure abstract creature, would involve a higher and more total form of NPI, but it would still not grant universal interaction with all non-physical beings on its own.
 
thanks y'all. The shadow meta goes burr once more
Good ol al, the shadow merchant
alastor-hazbin-hotel.gif
 
Seemingly reeling himself in close to erase Alastor, he is more than capable of doing so with his abilities and has the means to get past most of what Alastor has to throw at him. The important things like instinctive action, environmental advantage, enhanced senses, body control, E.E, his several chainsaws and immortality/regen, help push the fight in his favour.

The only real downside I can think of against those is Alastor's ability to mold into shadows and teleport. It should be a hindrance, but teleportation up close against someone equal in speed to you is difficult enough. Timing is all Pochita needs in order to make him fail.
 
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