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Change in Tornado AP

Dark-Carioca said:
Indeed.

Though yeah I'm not entirely sure what to go with.

The 2023 study with these results is closer to Flash's calc but only uses 164 tornadoes and landspouts as reference, while the 2015 study's Total Kinetic Energy, which is much higher than what we currently use, is computed for all 8752 tornadoes in the Storm Prediction Center’s (SPC) severe weather database which is the most extensive set of historical tornado records in the world, which makes me a bit more inclined to trust it (the 2015 study is also more extensive overall, I feel).

I dunno if we could maybe have a chart or list where we include both similar to the Earthquake Power Chart which has Radiated Waves and Total Seismic Energy, as one study seems to focus on simply KE while the other focuses on the total kinetic energy which would likely include its rotational KE.

You were behind the original calc, what are your thoughts? @Flashlight237
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Not gonna lie, I've given up on this thread a long time ago.
 
Dark-Carioca said:
Indeed.

Though yeah I'm not entirely sure what to go with.

The 2023 study with these results is closer to Flash's calc but only uses 164 tornadoes and landspouts as reference, while the 2015 study's Total Kinetic Energy, which is much higher than what we currently use, is computed for all 8752 tornadoes in the Storm Prediction Center’s (SPC) severe weather database which is the most extensive set of historical tornado records in the world, which makes me a bit more inclined to trust it (the 2015 study is also more extensive overall, I feel).

I dunno if we could maybe have a chart or list where we include both similar to the Earthquake Power Chart which has Radiated Waves and Total Seismic Energy, as one study seems to focus on simply KE while the other focuses on the total kinetic energy which would likely include its rotational KE.

You were behind the original calc, what are your thoughts? @Flashlight237
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This is a good idea I think, it at least is consistent to what was originally on the OP and provides somewhat of a basis
 
Flashlight237 said:
Not gonna lie, I've given up on this thread a long time ago.
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I understand, but I would still appreciate your input on my last suggestion, especially since you made the original calc and provided numbers for tornadoes on VSBW for some time, so your word and opinion carries some weight, I feel.
 
So what are the staff conclusions so far regarding what we should do here? 🙏
 
I think dark's ideas are solid and have some potential foe implementation but this thread is pretty much dead and we'll probably need a new one to try and garner staff attention here again
 
Dalesean027 said:
I think dark's ideas are solid and have some potential foe implementation but this thread is pretty much dead and we'll probably need a new one to try and garner staff attention here again
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So there is no staff consensus here then? 🙏
 
Okay. Are you willing to post such a thread and then link to it here please? 🙏
 
Okay. No problem. There is no hurry. 🙏
 
Sorry for the late response, I also just made a blog post just for the tornadoes' KE since it might be useful in the future.

Beyond what I suggested here, about splitting KE and Total KE like what we do in the Earthquake Power Chart, maybe an extra table could be added in a hypothetical "Tornado feats" page, where we provide the formula Flash mentioned in this study (pages 19-20) in case anyone wants to make use of it.

In case the feats and tornadoes can't be calculated, the F and EF scales have similar parameters based on the amount of damage the tornadoes cause, which would be another way to estimate the yield of a feat.

The size of the tornado, can also be brought up since that may or may not matter to some extent:

Dark-Carioca said:
I can't find anything regarding the average sizes of tornadoes and their respective yields or destructive power, or anything of the sort. I found an article that has a F0 tornado measuring in length 2 miles and 60 yards wide, the May 2004 F4 tornado was 2.5 miles wide and the EF3 2013 El Reno tornado was 2.6 miles, but that's about it.

At page 32 of that pdf document in the OP it reads "The tornado with the most energy was the Tallulah-Yazoo City-Durant tornado of April 24, 2010 with a TKE of 516.7 TJ. It tracked more than 240 km (149 miles) and was more than 2.8 km (1.75 miles) wide at its widest."
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As per my calcs a F4 tornado may be 73.3333333x wider than a F0 one but yield-wise it's over 2000 times stronger. There's a correlation, but relying on energy rather than size (some violent tornadoes are narrow, and large tornadoes can be weak) is more trustworthy.
 
Wish I could but I'm on an edit ban, my apologies. You will have to ask the other four people to help out.
 
I can give you an exception from your edit ban for this if you wish. 🙏
 
Thanks for the offer, but I wish to stick to the ban until its end as atonement.
 
Okay. No problem. When does it end? 🙏
 
Okay. That is good then. 🙏
 
Flashlight237 said:
To add further onto this, the study provided us with ways to CALCULATE tornado KE ourselves, which I think would be useful since many fictional tornados are small AF like the one caused by Taz when he spins. Mhmm. So yeah, I think it's time to change up how we handled tornadoes.
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Does the study account for spiritual energy tornadoes happening across multiple universes?
 
Dark-Carioca said:
Those could potentially be added, but they aren't very concrete feats exactly.
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I could probably get a decent estimate on the train cars and trees. Though unless I get access to the blueprints to St. Johns Hospital I fear calculating that might be damn near impossible.
 
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