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Chariot Requiem Should Be His Own Character.

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Like I said, Chariot Requiem should have his own page since he technically doesn't belong to Polnareff and he only appear in part 5, so list for him under that also, and he should be at least 10-B.
 
it does belong to him tho, its just an automatic stand. I don't see what the issue is with him only appearing it part 5 is, since he got the upgrade Post Stardust Crusaders.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
it does belong to him tho, its just an automatic stand. I don't see what the issue is with him only appearing it part 5 is, since he got the upgrade Post Stardust Crusaders.
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Actually, Chariot Requiem isn't an automatic stand, it's out of control and Polnareff can't even use it. He's a separate character.
 
Vizorus69 said:
Actually, Chariot Requiem isn't an automatic stand, it's out of control and Polnareff can't even use it. He's a separate character.
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do you have scans to prove this? Either way the stand going out of control worked out amazingly in Pol's favor if that's the case since it completely fulfiled his need to keep the arrow away from Diavolo
 
Silver Chariot Requiem is an automatic stand though, here's a good description from the wiki.


Posthumous Stands[3] (µ¡╗ÒéôÒüºÒéïÒé╣Òé┐Òâ│Òâë Shinderu Sutando) are capable of existing long after their User's death, enabling them to act on their own free will. Due to their nature, Dead Stands are automatic-based and as such, range or damage to their user is irrelevant.

Other Stands may simply demonstrate automatic abilities, the User needing minimal input. A Stand's ability may be linked to a condition unrelated to the User's will, making it semi-automatic. They could be sentient and act on their own without following its User's orders. In this case, the User may be unable to control it and possibly become a victim of their own stand's power.


By your logic shouldn't these other automatic stands that are out of control get different profiles too? Such as Notorious B.I.G, ect.
 
Well, actually Notorious B.I.G. is a post-mortem stand, that's what it actually is.

Chariot Requiem however, as soon as it come out, it immediately become uncontrollable, even while Polnareff is still alive. The stand wasn't activated after Polnareff died, it just survived it's user death. And also, the fact that Polnareff's soul still exist means that Chariot Requiem is a separate soul, because a stand is the soul of the user, and Polnareff's soul and Chariot Requiem both can exist at the same time in a separate place.
 
m8 you what.

That's not a need to separate the two from each other. We've only seen one time where Polnareff consciously used Chariot Requiem, and that was when he pricked his finger on the Arrow. Not only was he conscious during the instant it activated, Polnareff himself was unaffected in that instant. He had some control, enough control to leave himself be in fact. He didn't even know what had happened either, you're not exactly going to have full control over a power that lasted for an instant and with you not understanding its own abilities.

Also, for your argument of Polnareff's soul and Chariot Requiem both existing in the same time/same place, does that really matter when the main antagonist's gimmick is him having two separate souls in the same body, and then having his own soul (Stand) being in another person while his other half was inside somebody else during the same arc? It's not only unnecessary to split them, but them being "separate charcaters" is already given because even if they're both remnants of his soul, they share different identities. Star Platinum isn't Jotaro, it's Star Platinum.

Haven't debated JoJo in a while, this is getting interesting.
 
When Chariot Requiem was destroyed, Polnareff is still alive. We know that if a stand was harmed, the user also dies, unless they're automatic stand, and Chariot Requiem is an automatic stand, but Polnareff stand changed and become that of Mr. President. If Polnareff has another stand, which suppose to belong to a turtle, and the body of Polnareff died, with the turtle, then who's the user?
 
Since SCR is automatic, it would make sense that even if it was destroyed it wouldn't hurt Polnareff. Maybe switching to a body that has a stand bound to it is one of the exceptions to the rule that you can't have 2 stands
 
If SCR is truly an automatic stand, why can't Polnareff summon him again after destruction?
 
Vizorus69 said:
If SCR is truly an automatic stand, why can't Polnareff summon him again after destruction?
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maybe because it's dead, and polnareff's body was already dead, so his soul went inside mr. president because it can do that sort of thing.
 
Arigarmy said:
Vizorus69 said:
If SCR is truly an automatic stand, why can't Polnareff summon him again after destruction?
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maybe because it's dead, and polnareff's body was already dead, so his soul went inside mr. president because it can do that sort of thing.
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Then that would mean Polnareff and SCR is separate, because SCR separated himself from Polnareff by sending his soul into Mr. President and then going berserk on the town.
 
Arigarmy said:
His soul only went into Mr. President when SCR died. He was still the turtle until Buccellati offed himself.
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SCR was the stand of Polnareff. A stand is the physical manifestation of one's soul. If Polnareff soul is indeed inside Mr. President when SCR was destroyed, it's 2 separarate creatures.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
A stand is not only a part of one's soul. They are also made up of other energies aswell
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But without one's soul to control it, how did SCR move?
 
That's like asking how Sheer Heart Attack moves. Automatic Stands don't need to be controlled directly.
 
Not really, Pucci had to go find C-Moon instead of just unsummoning it. Sheer Heart Attack can't just be unsommuned either, since Kira had to go and get SHA.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
Not really, Pucci had to go find C-Moon instead of just unsummoning it. Sheer Heart Attack can't just be unsommuned either, since Kira had to go and get SHA.
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No, I mean like, why can't Polnareff unsummoned SCR? Even automatic stand could be unsummoned after a certain range has been fulfilled.
 
Some automatic Stands can't be stopped once they start, Heavy Weather or Bohemian Rhapsody are some examples I believe.
 
But none of those automatic stand would harm the user. SCR nearly killed Polnareff the turtle when he touch the arrow.
 
does that change anything I said? iirc Pucci was not exempt from the gravity and Kira can be effected by his own explosions. If their AoE was as huge as Polnareff then of course

Polnareff's desire when the Arrow activated was to get a new body and to keep the arrow away from Diavolo. Whether Pol knew of Diavolo's ability to body jump or not, SCR letting Polnareff touch the stand arrow would have created a loop hole that could be abused.

Anyway, that doesn't mean it isn't Pol's stand.
 
The thing about C-Moon is that, it can still be controlled by Pucci. SHA is an autopilot stand, it's movement have been in autopilot, to chase heat, but SCR? He's just wandering around doing damage without any clear goal but to protect the arrow, no control, no unsummoning, no loyalty.
 
Actually, we know Pucci has some control over Gravity but he doesn't have much control over the stand itself. He can command it to an extent, but not as well as a manual stand.

Yes, that is the purpose of it. The soul purpose of SCR is to protect the arrow from Diavolo, because Polnareff valued that over his own life in the moment. Hence why the soul swapping is a secondary power that isn't as important and just tied back into the primary goal. Really, even if it is wondering, it is always wondering away from where it started; it is always wondering away from where Diavolo was
 
Actually, there's no proof that he was wandering away from Diavolo, he's just walking around the city, causing trouble. Also, if Polnareff's desire is to keep the arrow safe, why did SCR affect normal civilian?
 
I said he was wondering away from where he was spawned, which is where Diavolo was at the time. SCR is supposed to essentially to keep the arrow safe from everyone, but mostly Diavolo. Requiem stands are supposed to be extreme, it would have been lame if all Pol got out of the arrow stab was some minor thing.
 
Well, nice argument. Now how to admit defeat without actually admitting it? Wait, already did. Someone can close this now.
 
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