CJ vs Violet Evergarden

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

For the same reason people don't get knocked out by big explosions but can be knocked out by a chop to the back of the head in many series.

Durability has nothing to do with getting knocked out. Surviving such a fall is durability, not some odd getting knocked out resistance. Unless you say we give Master Chief and Samurai Jack resistance to knock outs after falling from the atmosphere.

His combat experience really doesn't matter when none of those people were as good as Violet, and she's shown much more actual combat skill. Vague experience doesn't overcome direct clips and scenes where she fodderizes grown and trained adults as a scrawny 12 year old or something like that. At no point have I said they have better durability, my point is that Violet has always been fighting more physically imposing opponents, trained to boot, even as a little kid, and she trounces through them so easy it's not even funny.

Stamina and durability have little to do if you are in a choke hold or getting knocked out. Which Violet will aim for because that's what she does.

 

[Alitudil0]

in the combat skill they are at least equal, violet fighting ONLY trained soldiers since 12 vs a guy that fodderized random civilians, drug dealers, gang members, armed policemen, FBI Agents, mafioso and trained soldiers IN their own base without training.. yeah, they're equal.

its like saying CJ wouldn't fight back when some random stranger with axe approaching him lmao,

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

I will probably still side with C.J Anyways... a Hunch thats all, despite what Violet has done still to some degree I have to agree with jiggy nevertheless.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

A variety of foes that can barely do different things is no argument for skill and bigger variety. And I am not sure what dumb retort is that, when did I say he wouldn't fight back?

They have "comparable" skill feats, but only one has done such while not being physically superior to their foes or much more durable than them. And in CJ showing none of said skill and the fact we just know he can deal with that many enemies, we have seen Violet fight and how quickly and easily she can incapacitate people without much effort. Many of these instances, like when she was a kid killing a contingent of soldiers, she was entirely unarmed. Now how many times can you say CJ went into a place to fight without a single weapon and without procuring a single one while there? I have seen nothing that puts these two on the same skill level.

And especially nothing that makes me think she can't knock out CJ... Because you know, again, grabs and holds that he can't break because his lifting strength is laughable in comparison?

 

[ExSENNA]

CJ having 9-A durability makes this a stomp. I see Violet has no duraneg either

 

[SpookyShadow]

Uhh. No it's not a stomp.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Uh...

I forgot to think about that. The difference between baseline 9-B and 9-A is more or less 1400x, she can't really hurt him.

But I still think she outskills enough to incap via some lock or knock out technique.

 

[SpookyShadow]

9-B police officers can slightly damage Carl IIRC, and Violet should be well above baseline with axe. He got 9-A dura because of his sick feats tho

 

[ExSENNA]

Aren't they just game mechanics? Hitpoints/Healthpoints don't exist in real life, IIRC you can't damage 9-A durability with 9-B attacks without durability negation, unless she is 9-A with an axe I don't see her damaging CJ

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

What Ex said. If his 9-A durability is fully accepted, unless she was close to 9-A, she ain't scratching him.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Aw Shit, Here We Go Again via higher AP, stealth, and comparable skill level.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

What higher AP? They are more or less the same.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Meant durability, apologies.

 

[ChocomilkAlex]

Follow the damn train FRA

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

So basically, if I hadn't mentioned Violet is very good at locks and knock outs, this could have been easily a stomp.

 

[ExSENNA]

This is a stomp most likely, Violet should be outskilling him the same way CH would outskill a regular human in order for this to not be a stomp. Like she can't damage him at all.

 

[KLOL506]

9-A dura for CJ was accepted a long while back.

So basically her advantages here are basically better combat XP and higher lifting strength.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

So if the skill difference isn't convincing enough, this is a mismatch.

Though she doesn't need to outskill that hard. She has been shown to be stupid good with locks and knock outs, which CJ can't do much about if hes grabbed since he's Athletic Human in lifting strength, Violet is Class 5.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Violet should also have higher stamina, the girl survived with her hands blown off and was still grabbing Gilbert by mouth. Carl also can fight for hours but she did it while she was around 10 years old.

As long as she has those advantages, I don't see it as a stomp. She also has "higher with weapons" attached to tier so she could likely damage him.

 

[JiggyHunter11]

CJ gets unlimited stamina after the burglar missions though.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Oof

 

[KLOL506]

Prolly a game mechanic but CJ should have comparable stamina regardless, like powering through an insanely long triathlon without stopping (Maxing out the stamina meter, I only started to tire out by the end of the race near the San Fiero observatory and even then regaining stamina was easy).

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Unlimited stamina is indeed not a thing, and in his profile is merely listed as not getting tired from sprinting.

 

[Dragopentling]

That battle axe is GOING to deal a lot more than just blunt force damage, though.

Also, voting Violet via SirLance's reasons

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Again, cutting damage is not gonna close a gap of 1400x, so the best she has in this situation is locks and knock out blows.

It entirely depends if people think that is enough. But under such a situation, giving them weapons is just giving CJ an advantage since she still can't hurt him.

 

[Dragopentling]

Again, cutting damage is not gonna close a gap of 1400x, so the best she has in this situation is locks and knock out blows.
It entirely depends if people think that is enough. But under such a situation, giving them weapons is just giving CJ an advantage since she still can't hurt him.

That's fair enough, though isn't this a somewhat similar situation regarding Ash Ketchum, another 9B characters whose dura is notably higher?

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Higher dura than AP is not impossible or that uncommon, but this is one case where the gap can't be bridged.

If Violet was closer to the high end 9-B range, axe may be worth something,

 

[KLOL506]

Piercing damage is a pain in the ass in several verses and it really doesn't care about dura, hence its unquantifiability (But guns and knives in most games are high-end 9-B because reasons).

That being said, Violet could just pin him down long enough to secure a win. Though if CJ gets outta range and starts long-range shooting, she's shit outta luck.

 

[SpookyShadow]

He has katana only

 

[KLOL506]

Welp. Violet then pins him with body-locks FRA.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Guy who can't follow the damn train FRA. Didn't CJ survived the helicopter explosion while inside the helicopter? That was the same mission where he fought snakehead

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Welp. Violet then pins him with body-locks FRA.

Hmmm... Normally without C.J's back up fusage of arsenal with just only a katana then when I think about it this time I will possibly have to give it to violet then since this would give her an even better chance to get a hold of C.J if C.J Doesn't have a firearm or more defending him. Neverthless they are still somewhat seemingly matched so I'm not 100% sided.

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Guy who can't follow the damn train FRA. Didn't CJ survived the helicopter explosion while inside the helicopter? That was the same mission where he fought snakehead

Well yeah that is a completely insane durability feat let me tell you.

 

[KLOL506]

CJ might be OP when it comes to dura, but is completely butchered when it comes to lifting strength.

 

[GoCommitDi]

Violet destroys him. Before even having any military training, Violet was considered experienced in many martial arts and in combat. In the war she was infamous for her skills, one of her scenes in the anime is utterly fodderizing a bunch of armed soldiers by herself, and she's skilled enough to use weapons she's never touched flawlessly, including a massive axe with a handle longer than she was tall.
She is ahead of him in skill by a lot.

CJs 9-A durability says "yeet"

 

[KLOL506]

Dura is useless if ya get pinned down with higher lifting strength, also, piercing damage.

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Dura is useless if ya get pinned down with higher lifting strength, also, piercing damage.

(CJ Gets back up inventory.)
"Say hello to my little friend! Little baitch!"

(Black guy with diffuclty brutally destroys woman.)

 

[SpookyShadow]

It's not Carl with UZUMYMW, PROFESSIONALSKIT or LXGIWYL to have back up inventory

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

It's not Carl with UZUMYMW, PROFESSIONALSKIT or LXGIWYL to have back up inventory

Aside the whole humorus cheat code mechanics in all seriousness with a few actual firearms/satchel charges by his side he's ducking wise enough to stay far away from attackers since the very freaking beginning mind you!! Even if he's in some type of physical disadvantage I mean he fought Dominic out of all people who also had a 5 ton+ classification and still held up somewhat decently..

 

[KLOL506]

CJ was more skilled than Dom tho.