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Crowley VS Harry Dresden

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Figured this would be a good match. Looks pretty even, especially with the hax these two are bringing to the table.

Let's see which of these two magicians wins out.

Rules

  • Random encounter.
  • Speed is equalized.
  • Battle takes place here.
  • Winter Knight Dresden VS "King of Hell" Crowley.
  • Winner by death or incapacitation.
Vote Count

  • Crowley: 0
  • Harry Dresde: 0
  • Inconclusive: 7 (ApiesDeathbyLazors, Monarch Laciel, Penguinkingpin, Nico-v11, KinkiestSins, Gargoyle One, TheOwnMagic)
 
What can Crowley do and how does he do it? I don't know Supernatural apart from as "that show where two brothers fight demons"
 
I know something about it. I can provide a little insight.

Starters would be:

  • Memory Manipulation: Actively against using it in-character, and never used it in a fight.
  • Telekinesis: Fairly strong. Pretty sure he can shove people and lift them like a low-level Force user, and I recall a scene where he blew out a street lamp by pointing at it. He can trap people against walls with it, and has used it to snap necks in a heartbeat. Also pretty sure he blew up someone's head with it once.
  • Reality Warping: Unusable in combat.
  • Teleportation: Solid. Used it to avoid attacks before, uses it often to escape from people, and can also use it to teleport things out of his enemies' hands and into his own.
  • Possession: Notable because it allows him to possess things outside of human hosts, such as passing street-rats and other animal life. Also notable is that, should his body die, his soul can still find another host on its own like any other demon in his verse. (Not that he likes getting killed or anything; he just uses this to cheat permanent death a lot IIRC)
  • Invisibility: Literally unseen, as well as unheard. His footsteps and such make no noise when he does this.
  • Illusions: Powerful enough to trick a Tier 7 with fairly solid magical ability/awareness of his own.
I don't think he uses mind manipulation in combat, but I don't remember for certain. Even then though, I actually recently recalled that Harry has a few defenses for the "mental invasion" type of mind manip, which I'm pretty sure is the common thing in Supernatural.
 
Not sure about Dresden's mind resistance. I have a feeling he's resisted mind manip before, like from the Red and White Courts, plus resisting the temptations of a fallen angel in your head for a few years is an excellent feat of will. But I'm not sure if they would properly translate, seeing as it's only after Turn Coat that wizards actually start training to defend against mental attacks. Oh wait, I found him resisting mind fog (mind wipes those who touch it)

Illusions, he would have experience with, seeing as he trained Molly for several years and she specialises in illusions. Plus his wizard sight would allow him to just straight up see through any and all obstructions and illusions (and invisibility) to discern the true nature of anything he sees. Problem is, this isn't always a good thing. He once used his Sight to see the true nature of a Skinwalker, which is like a really nasty native american spirit, and immediately went unconscious and started crying in a fetal position, then kept doing so every time he thought about it. On the plus side though, he just kept thinking about it until he had successfully become numb to the sheer horror of what he saw, so that could be useful if Crowley's true nature is similarly horrifying.

Possession probably won't be much help, considering all the times Harry has been exposed to Nemesis (evil possession virus) and completely ignored it. Also resisted Lasciel

I just link the respect thread for all the spells he can do, but the main ones here would be:

Fire/Lightning Magic

Energy Manipulation (and redirection)

Magic Redirection - specifically, he hijacked an incoming entropy curse (basically, giving someone lethally bad luck) and instead sent it at a vampire (fun fact, this resulted in the vampire being hit at terminal velocity by a frozen turkey that had fallen out of a plan flying overhead). Also, he redirected a hellfire empowered blast away from him and into a cavern roof above his enemy, causing the roof to collapse on them

Fancy Forcefields that block a lot of stuff

He's also got magical circles that basically say "no, **** you" to any purely spiritual being or magic trying to enter. I'm pretty sure demons can't break them either (though that is based on inverse mechanics, so dunno how far we are taking verse equalisation)

Gravity crush

Necromancy (kinda depends on where they fight though)

Also, due to the (so far unknown) circumstances of his birth, Dresden can use magic on Outsiders, who have shrugged off the magic of wizards far more powerful than him. So yeah, he can apparently ignore magic resistance of certain beings. Not sure if Crowley would qualify though.
 
A lot of that should help. Tbh, I can see either of these two taking a trip to the other's verse without seeming out of place.

Offensively, Crowley does have a thing called Molecular Combustion which essentially causes people to explode in a gory mess. Dunno if it'll get through a magic barrier, but it would be a terrifying thing to use to his advantage, given what I've seen of it. Redirection against this, however, would be a nightmarish way for this to backfire on him. (Assuming it works on such a spell) Fairly sure he has elemental spells as well, though I don't remember the full extent.

Remind me; How good is Harry against trickster/Machiavellian types? One thing Crowley was known for was "always being ten steps ahead" and basically making an absurdly long-lived High 6-A (Lucifer) look like a dunce in plenty of their encounters.

And as far as the mind resistance goes, I was actually referring to the mental constructs that're supposedly sitting inside his head and waiting to drive off invaders. "Darth Vader and a TIE Fighter" were a few, I believe? (I may be wrong about that)
 
Oh uh, just saw the bit about him seeing what Crowley truly is. I...Actually, I don't know about this one.

I should probably get someone in here who's seen the show recently.
 
Molecular Combustion sounds nasty, and it sounds like it might go off too fast for Harry to redirect. How is it done? Does Crowley need contact or anything?

Harry is very good against tricksters. He is feared by Nicodemous Archelone - a 1500+ year old man who has led a small army of fallen angels for centuries, corrupting and manipulation entire civilisations. He is respected by the White Court, who like, 99% of their interactions with each other involved some kind of hyper machiavellian schemes. He's seen through the schemes of the Fairie Courts, who are similarly all about scheming (at least the Winter Court), and comprised several complex schemes of his own to expose traitors and suspects. And let's not forget Harry is a very good detective.

I thought Darth Vader and the TIE fighter were Molly? Or was she the Trekkie? Either way, Harry has also resisted mental assaults from the One Who Walks Before.
 
Multiple people in SN have it. They basically just point at their victims and cause them to explode messily. (I mean, the magical mechanics to it are probably more complex, but that's what we see any time someone uses it in the series) If reaction is an issue when it comes to redirecting, it's probably Crowley's best bet.

That much should help with Crowley's nature. The man was probably the most tricky bastard in the show, and he was screwing with people much older than himself (read: by hundreds to thousands of years) and keeping himself alive for a good, long while. Extremely cunning.

I can't remember who, tbh. I just remember at least one person having those as constructs to help them defend against mind-invasion sorts of things, and I remember Harry having ones of his own. Wires may have gotten crossed. S'what happens when I don't read something in a while.

Does he have anything to help him against sleeping spells? Just remembered that Crowley once caused a large group of people to fall asleep with a snap of the fingers.
 
Molly had star trek in her head when Corpsetaker was trying to possess her in Ghost Story. Harry likely has something similar though, considering they are both wizards/witches, and harry was her teacher.

Pretty sure sleep manipulation falls under mind manipulation, but he's also got a belt full of magical energy that can wake him up by infusing him with energy.
 
Bump.

Also yeah, that sounds familiar. I knew at least one of the characters had some sort of defense to that effect in their minds, but I wasn't sure if it was Harry or someone else. Good to know.

And yeah, the energy belt should help with a sleeping spell if his own natural resistances don't. I also remembered that Crowley has used mind control on people before (effortlessly controlled four guys into shooting each other), so said resistances should help with that as well.

(Shit, we probably need more profiles for the Dresdenverse at some point.)
 
You are really into magic users, aren't you?
 
Magic users are the best.

Not the only characters I'm into. (I made this profile and am also a huge fan of this guy, for example) But still. Gotta love the spellcasters.
 
I personally don't really know either, so you can't get much input out of me besides a "For the Reasons above"
 
Rip.

There're supposedly a lot of Supernatural supporters around here, and I've seen some people around who know a few things about Dresden. But nobody else besides Monarch has shown up yet. I blame the fact that Crowley is one of the least used characters in the series that we have.
 
I laught at who ever made the Dresdenverse page tbh

"This verse is very powerful. Do not mess with this verse"

> Most characters max out at building level
 
Yeah. They make it seem like every character is Galbatorix or Darth Sidious or something.

We don't even have any of the most powerful characters on our wiki yet, either. Aren't a number of the God-tiers (read: Angels and such) supposedly powerful enough to destroy galaxies?
 
So far, the best statements of power are:

Uriel stated he can unmake galaxies. Other arch-angels would scale - 3-C

If the Winter Court gains the advantage of power in the balance between the fairy courts, they would cause a global ice age - High 6-A

If Demonreach used its last resort self-destruct to kill its prisoners, it would annihilate the North American continent - 6-A

I've heard it said that Mab is only slightly weaker than Uriel, but I've no idea where that idea comes from.
 
Fallen Angels might also scale to the archangels, but I kinda doubt it. They shouldn't be as powerful as arch-angels, and it's always seemed like the Fallen can do whatever they want, while the Archangels are more powerful but bound to only react in equal measure

There is also this power scale , but I've got legit no clue who made it, where it comes from, and it doesn't reference anything
 
And yet the only profile we currently have is Harry.

Not that having Harry is bad, but...yeah.

Facepalm87
 
Bump.

Hoping someone with good/recent knowledge on SPN sees this.
 
Dresden has his own spells which can kill with a snap of the fingers, and I think he might have means of protection against telekinesis as well. Not entirely sure on the latter, though.
 
I was talking about telekinesis. I vote for Crowley via telekinetically breaking Dresden's neck. Also, he has teleportation, which Dresden do not and it could be very useful in such a type of match. BTW, can Dresden resist possession?
 
I think he was just responding to the question of "can Dresden resist possession?" from before.
 
He kind of already mentioned "how" in an above comment, though. Third from the top.
 
Well, Crowley could possess body's which already had been possessed - most normally by angels. I don't think Nemesis is any near that, but anyway, I'm still voting for Crowley via telekinetically breaking Harry's neck. Or exploding him.
 
I really want to give this to Dresden, but that explody nonsense of Crowley's makes it hard. Can Crowley's Teleportation jump between dementions?
 
Pretty sure the answer to that is "no". I don't remember him ever doing that much with his teleportation.

Profile says the range is "Planetary" also, so that's another reason why I doubt it can cover the distance between entire realms.
 
I should mention that Dresden does have his own means of one-shotting by way of his ability to flash-freeze enemies and shatter opponents in an instant. So it may come down to which character pulls out their one-hitter first.
 
I thought he was capable of that in base. I remember it being mentioned in Dresden VS Flagg at some point.

If I'm wrong, should I switch to WN Dresden in order to make things more fair?
 
Sure. He's not that much more powerful (featwise, not lorewise) anyway.

In which case Dresden likely snaps his fingers and flash freezes Crowley, then shatters him.
 
Will he do that right away without being bloodlusted first?

Just out of curiosity.
 
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