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Dante vs Kratos (Low 1-C edition)
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dont see dante winning this im ngl
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why not dante in his sin devil trigger form
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Because the key has a base form.
It's different from PoH Kratos whose key is already that state to begin with.
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i don't see dante winning this
but i see dante occupying 90% of my screen
but i see dante occupying 90% of my screen
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Kratos hope undersoles the verse of DMC, Dante can't even affect Kratos 
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dmc got 45 layers in the hax layer thread but idk if that eval thread is actually valid since only 1 mod accepted it
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I'm unsure who stomps ngl. I'll wait for DMC folk to explain their layers, if it scales to concept hax, and what Dante can do against Kratos and his invulnerability, and I'll respond and see where it goes from there.
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lol
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DMC has same kind of soul hax bloc like GoW. Yeah the layers are legit. Dante will just seal with Jackpot and BFR. It's an AoE portal wrapper.
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Kratos should be fine against the BFR, as he resisted the Powers of the Fates, whose BFR is on a Hypertimeline scale.
Kratos's only counter is using conceptual time stop that covers 2 time dimensions, as I don't think DMC's time manip covers that atm.
I think Valhalla Key might be better, as it just bypasses the Layers with Resistance Neg, something Dante doesn't resist, giving Kratos offensive options while taking away his better defensive one and replacing it with Ressurection.
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It's a physical thing. Like I said, it's like wrapping a portal around you.
Power Null for DMC functions same, it disables resistances.
I also think Valhalla or 3 might be better option, atleast the battle will be more physical. Like this.
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Pepsimanslover
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Oh. Kratos can just teleport back then. Or out of the way.
Looked at the profile and the Demon Page, it's not accepted as that atm. So we can't take it into account.
Nah 3 is cooked, he's PoH without his BS Invulnerability. So he just gets diffed by 45+ layers.
Valhalla tho has options, as when Draupnir hits, Kratos can actually be able to kill Dante physically and get resistance to Demonic Energy.
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Changed to Valhalla Kratos.
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Teleporting or Portal opening won't work, as it's designed specifically against that. Mundus has it, he couldn't escape it.
Everything is conceptual in DMC too. CM1 all over.
labels.
Practically works the same. DE destroys resistances, atleast that is accepted.
AD/RE
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Forget that layer crap, between us, we know layers don't translate between verses the same. It's one thing debating other verses, no need to be technical or shy with me lol. Magic operates same in both DMC and GoW so let's not fret over details.
Dante doesn't have direct absorption ability like Draupnir or BoO, but he is a Resistance/RE merchant like Kratos so he should adapt comfortably.
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Kratos can just dodge ig?
Well yeah but that's not how you get conceptual time stop. Kratos can freeze concepts. Do the Beastheads do that?
And wiki needs you to have the label, so yeah can't be taken into account.
Doesn't have feats resisting resistance neg.
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Possible, but he wouldn't know it's AoE until it triggers, if he does dodge he actually he will be caught even more off gaurd when it exploded besides him when he gets out the way.
Souls are concepts.
not really.
look above.
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Dante finally got the concept type 1 stuff which is... you know... the reason why Dante was at a disadvantage beforeKratos hope undersoles the verse of DMC, Dante can't even affect Kratos
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*Reads the previous thread
Sees the talks on only "5 minutes (Or something very small)" of stamina Dante against Kratos
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Don't believe the agenda huffers.
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ayo link me that lol
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Dante finger flicks kratos using his own shtick because the meta is layers. Dante is 39x stronger than PoH in CM1 layers alone. He's also got the exact same 45 layers in every hax he has. People attacked dante's tier to get him to 2-C and completely overlooked the dumb BS that made him OP.
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So, apparently Dante doesn't resist resistance negation so Valhalla Kratos can unironically can just absorb demonic energy and then resist it, and ignore the former's resistance.
This is a weird situation where Hope is the less effective key.
This is a weird situation where Hope is the less effective key.
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Yeah, Dante was practically unusable in 2-C due to his hax. Seems him and Kratos are fairly evenly matched though.
So both characters can break each other by the looks of it. Dante has too many layers of hax and Kratos has resistance negation. And both can concept hax the other to death, it seems. This looks like a matter of first strike wins.
Problem though, Dante will regenerate from anything short of concept erasure (even that's being talked about), and Kratos has resurrection. Could this be inconclusive?
So both characters can break each other by the looks of it. Dante has too many layers of hax and Kratos has resistance negation. And both can concept hax the other to death, it seems. This looks like a matter of first strike wins.
Problem though, Dante will regenerate from anything short of concept erasure (even that's being talked about), and Kratos has resurrection. Could this be inconclusive?
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Does Dante have anything against Valhalla's ressurection?
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Oh yeah, forgot about this.
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Also, can they even kill each other, with Dante's regeneration and Kratos' resurrection?
Even if they can it looks like they'll come at each other and whoever lands the first hax hit wins. And since both are extremely skilled...
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I mean, Kratos absorbs DE and gets immo neg with Resistance Negation on top no?
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I'm kinda surprised people haven't discussed Dante's fear hax here.
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Dante should win FRA. Practically too many haxes for Kratos to deal with
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Kratos resists everything Dante has. It's just a matter of layers between them, and if Dante can deal with the Draupnir Spear.
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