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is This OOC for palpatine to do against volde though Reaper?
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Palpatine rarely uses his lightsaber for melee unless he has to or hes jobbing, generally, he'll use it to deflect ranged attacks.is This OOC for palpatine to do against volde though Reaper?
Palps once used it on Dooku but it was mostly for tortureUsed against fodders in The Clone Wars, he has literally never done it any other time
If he doesn't then well what are his Wincons ?Palpatine rarely uses his lightsaber for melee unless he has to or hes jobbing, generally, he'll use it to deflect ranged attacks.
Precoging where Voldy goes if he teleports at all and blasting him with Force Lightning or any other ranged force power. Not my circus not my monkeys otherwise, he could also knock out Voldy with a force choke or by groping his brain with the force, for instance.If he doesn't then well what are his Wincons ?
WHAT?!! He used it against Yoda and Mace, who are massive threats to his plan.Palpatine rarely uses his lightsaber for melee unless he has to or hes jobbing, generally, he'll use it to deflect ranged attacks.
Notice how, against Yoda, he was trying his DAMDEST to get away to use force powers, and when Yoda got to him, he just unleashed his force lightning instead of trying to lightsaber fight him? Yeah, Palpatine didn't want to lightsaber fight Yoda and took literally every chance he could to get away and range spam.WHAT?!! He used it against Yoda and Mace, who are massive threats to his plan.
Still precogs and blasts the crap of Voldy with force powerNotice how, against Yoda, he was trying his DAMDEST to get away to use force powers, and when Yoda got to him, he just unleashed his force lightning instead of trying to lightsaber fight him? Yeah, Palpatine didn't want to lightsaber fight Yoda and took literally every chance he could to get away and range spam.
And Mace was a case of good ol' overconfidence(Or needing Mace to put him on the ground for Anakin to turn fully), Palpatine wasn't really serious there, cause ya see, a serious Palpatine spams the **** out of his Force powers, when Maul pressured him even a little bit he dropped lightsaber combat and proceeded to go for force powers, against the damn Rylek Hive(Or whatever creature) that attacked him he didn't even bother with his lightsaber, when a few hundred storm troopers were marched against him he used force lightning to dispatch them, against Luke all he ******* did was force lightning, when Vader hit him with the force he hit back with the force, so on and so forth.
Palpy spams force powers.
Yeah. Whether it be TK, Force Push, Force Crush, Force Choke, or the all important Force lightning, it doesn't take long for Voldemort's physical form to go down, but, like I said, not my circus not my monkeys otherwiseStill precogs and blasts the crap of Voldy with force power
countedKnow grace ended, but I just want to cast my vote for Palpatine as well. I believe his higher AP and the fact that he spams force lightning plays a big factor. Voldemort is only 9-B physically, so he'd have to play very carefully and be sure to dodge or block every force lightning. If Palpatine decides to engage in lightsaber combat, Voldemort's really got no defense. Voldemort's got more variety with his powers, sure, and if his physical stats were 8-A too, it'd be a different story, but here that weakness is just too glaring for me to ignore.
This match has been added, are you able to close the thread?counted
Although I'm not sure if ligthsaber combat is really helpful when Voldemort is gonna spam Tp.
I don't know how to close threads unfortunatelyThis match has been added, are you able to close the thread?
It seems like Anakin is the strongest in verse, isn't it?1. Sidious' mind hax should be much higher than Voldemort iirc. The scaling chain to my knowledge appears roughly like this:
Sidious > Entity > Vader > Luke
However, Voldemort has top-level mind reading.It isn't out of the question that Sidious could mind hax Voldemort instead.
2. Importantly, Sidious' precognition will be extremely useful in dodging Voldemort's spells, particularly his Killing Curse.
Wizards have a spell that deflects or blocks attacks3. Sidious has hilariously greater telekinetic power, it's not even close. Class M vs Class 10 at best. Nothing's really stopping him from just ragdolling Voldemort.
AP won't help against magic4. Sidious also has higher AP, being comparable to Darth Vader who's about 490 tons, as compared to Voldemort who seems to upscale a bit only from 160 tons.
A controversial point, yes, but without his corporeal shell, Tom can exist in a sub-spiritual and inhabit living beingsThe biggest question is if Sidious can get past Voldemort's type 8 immortality. Based on some of Voldemort's previous vs threads, it seems this immortality isn't combat applicable anyway.
This thread is old bruh. Also all your arguments fall apart easily.Ahem. Voldemort has combat teleportation (remember the battle against Harry), mind reading and possession (he is the most powerful legilement in the verse), flying at hypersonic speed, non-wand magic, spells without projectile (transfiguration and charms) in fact, a lot more (not only horcruxes and existence in a spiritual and mental form). I just don't know how Palpatine could have done any damage to him at all. He can try to approach Vold at close range to start hitting with lightsabers, but he is too slow to do this against Tom, who can mentally teleport and, come on, Riddle will just fly constantly in the air and bombard Sidious Awad with a Kedavra (which can destroy souls).
?spiritual and mental form
1. Yes Anakin is the strongest at his peak. But Palpatine upscales from Vader and Luke's mindhax which surpass what we see in HPIt seems like Anakin is the strongest in verse, isn't it?
However, Voldemort has top-level mind reading.
Wizards have a spell that deflects or blocks attacks
AP won't help against magic
A controversial point, yes, but without his corporeal shell, Tom can exist in a sub-spiritual and inhabit living beings
OOC, or, should I say, he's never done it. He has apsolutely ragdolled a bitch bitches with the force before, but he's never pretzeled them, Obi Wan was the guy I recall doing that in canon and it was against commando droids, not living, breathing individuals
Palpatine did do it in canon, but it was against Stormtroopers, which... well yeah they aren't exactly wall level in general dura are they? But the heat is a very powerful boon.
Palpatine's Force Lightning can tag fighter ships from Ground to air and cause explosions and shit. I don't think Voldemort could have survived a hit from it anyway.
All right, a question.
When has Voldemort used Teleportation to dodge? He doesn't know getting hit by Palpatine is a death sentence multiple times over so...
Precoging where Voldy goes if he teleports at all and blasting him with Force Lightning or any other ranged force power. Not my circus not my monkeys otherwise, he could also knock out Voldy with a force choke or by groping his brain with the force, for instance.
Uh... full potential Anakin, yeah! Not ******' Vader lolIt seems like Anakin is the strongest in verse, isn't it?
papa palps resists Telepathy. Also this means nothing when Palpatine can just reduce him to his constituent atoms before Volde hits him, even deflecting that pesky death manip via lightsaber if neededHowever, Voldemort has top-level mind reading.
Not gonna work against a smack to the dome stronger then anything Voldemort's ever felt.Wizards have a spell that deflects or blocks attacks
Get invulnerability on the profiles and call me in the damn morning.AP won't help against magic
Even though he's never done this in-characterA controversial point, yes, but without his corporeal shell, Tom can exist in a sub-spiritual and inhabit living beings
What makes you think that mind reading won't work? Voldemort is cooler in this ability than Sidious (he > Dumbledore, who can break through mental defenses)This thread is old bruh. Also all your arguments fall apart easily.
Voldy's teleportation sure is helpful but Palps easily predicts his movements via precognition. Mind reading and possession wont work when Sidious also does that shit. How is flying at hypersonic speed gonna help when uhh....speed is equalize. If I didn't do that, Palps would blitzing Voldemort with that MHS scaling.
I know, but nevertheless, Palpatine has not demonstrated how he can fight while in this form. I repeat, Tom can be reborn on his own.Wdym by
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Palps also has a spirit form. Horcuxes wont be relevant since they dont revive Voldemort mid figth since it took 14 years to do that lmao.
Well, Voldemort ignores his telekinesis with his shields or teleports away from his attack. Lightning strikes / reflects. Do you think that there is only Avada Kedavra in the verse?Why would Palpatine need to get close when....he just force chokes or blast lightning? Sure he could fly, only he Palps doesnt slam his face to the ground. Killing curse gets blocked by ligthsaber
1. Oh, are you talking about those planets and star clusters at Sidious and Luke?1. Yes Anakin is the strongest at his peak. But Palpatine upscales from Vader and Luke's mindhax which surpass what we see in HP
2. Not layered
3. Not when his opponent is has higher AP and LS than him
4. Huh? You do realize Voldemort gets utterly oneshotted here?
5. Cant figth in that form and takes him a long ass time to get back.
Tom is stronger than Dumbledore in legilimency, who was able to break through mental resistances. Will he make it in time, or will Vold turn him into a ferret?Uh... full potential Anakin, yeah! Not ******' Vader lol
papa palps resists Telepathy. Also this means nothing when Palpatine can just reduce him to his constituent atoms before Volde hits him, even deflecting that pesky death manip via lightsaber if needed
It's Hax, no matter how hard you hitNot gonna work against a smack to the dome stronger then anything Voldemort's ever felt.
? I'm writing about magic, not physical characteristics.Get invulnerability on the profiles and call me in the damn morning.
What?Even though he's never done this in-character
Prove it.Tom is stronger than Dumbledore in legilimency, who was able to break through mental resistances. Will he make it in time, or will Vold turn him into a ferret?
If it didn't matter, why does Voldemort have a statistic for his forcefields on his profile~?It's Hax, no matter how hard you hit
? I'm writing about magic, not physical characteristics
Out Of Character.What?
It is known that Morfin possessed occlumency.Prove it.
Oh, he did it throughout the fifth part, just look at the wiki.Also prove that Volde will actually do this when he's never done this ever.
These are force fields, not defensive spellsIf it didn't matter, why does Voldemort have a statistic for his forcefields on his profile~?
Why are you so aggressive?Cry me a damn river if you want to continue to spout out No Limits Fallacies.
That's not sufficient proof. Try again.It is known that Morfin possessed occlumency.
“You think he is mistaken? Or that I have somehow hoodwinked
him? Fooled the Dark Lord, the greatest wizard, the most accom plished Legilimens the world has ever seen?"
I don't care about the wiki I want you to show me Volde here possessing someone who just reduced him to his constituent atoms right after he was killed.Oh, he did it throughout the fifth part, just look at the wiki.
Doesn't matter, it is a No Limits Fallacy to spout that AP doesn't matter, prove that Voldemort has reflected something as strong or consistent as Palpatine's lightning.These are force fields, not defensive spells
When someone clearly didn't read the thread in the first place plus is committing fallacies repeatedly-- even after being called out on it, yeah, Nice Reaper won't stay for long.Why are you so aggressive?
Well, Sidious doesn't even have that.That's not sufficient proof. Try again.
Can you show me how Palpa will feel when he is turned into a ferret?I don't care about the wiki I want you to show me Volde here possessing someone who just reduced him to his constituent atoms right after he was killed.
Do you know the meaning of the word "Hax"?Doesn't matter, it is a No Limits Fallacy to spout that AP doesn't matter, prove that Voldemort has reflected something as strong or consistent as Palpatine's lightning.
When someone clearly didn't read the thread in the first place plus is committing fallacies repeatedly-- even after being called out on it, yeah, Nice Reaper won't stay for long.
He kinda does but then again, neither Harry Potter nor SW layers are accepted so non argument.Well, Sidious doesn't even have that.
Do you know what a No Limits Fallacy is? Ya see, things like Attack Reflection require this thing called proof to deal with a certain AP threshold.Can you show me how Palpa will feel when he is turned into a ferret?
Do you know the meaning of the word "Hax"?
Anyways, you're a brick wall, I know you're a brick wall, so scream into a box, you won't have another response from me on these subjects.
Tutaminis+force barriers and TK ragdoll GG. You realize killing curse and most offensive magic like Voldy has is still energy based or palpatine can answer. Palpatine tutaminis utterly negates fiendfyre and killing curse while force barriers are basically the equivalent to pretego. Crucio would make palpatine feed off the pain via force rage/dark rage and amplify him. Like most things voldy does is negated by palpatine while voldy has little answers to the force. Legilimancy wouldn’t even work while palpatine mind hax+precog would, and even then, palpatine passive force precog is still much better.
Disney canon should 6-A honestly with the HR stuffTutaminis+force barriers and TK ragdoll GG. You realize killing curse and most offensive magic like Voldy has is still energy based or palpatine can answer. Palpatine tutaminis utterly negates fiendfyre and killing curse while force barriers are basically the equivalent to pretego. Crucio would make palpatine feed off the pain via force rage/dark rage and amplify him. Like most things voldy does is negated by palpatine while voldy has little answers to the force. Legilimancy wouldn’t even work while palpatine mind hax+precog would, and even then, palpatine passive force precog is still much better.
Also, SW canon/legends is outdated. Like so much so they’re being upgraded to 7-C while Legends is also being upgraded to 4-A. This would be a stomp once the CRT has been accepted as one TK blast obliterates voldy instantly. Voldy bloodlusted would do little as palpatine proceeds to evade the Killing curse or absorb with tutaminis while sending one blast at voldy, choking him, and he dies instantly. As of now, palpatine takes this since he has most if not many answers to voldy’s offensive abilities while voldy has to deal with class M TK attacks and force lightning
Voldemort will turn Palpatine into a snake before he can do anything. Moreover, Tom can exist in the form of a spiritual thought, thereby ignoring all Sith attacks.Tutaminis+force barriers and TK ragdoll GG. You realize killing curse and most offensive magic like Voldy has is still energy based or palpatine can answer. Palpatine tutaminis utterly negates fiendfyre and killing curse while force barriers are basically the equivalent to pretego. Crucio would make palpatine feed off the pain via force rage/dark rage and amplify him. Like most things voldy does is negated by palpatine while voldy has little answers to the force. Legilimancy wouldn’t even work while palpatine mind hax+precog would, and even then, palpatine passive force precog is still much better.
Also, SW canon/legends is outdated. Like so much so they’re being upgraded to 7-C while Legends is also being upgraded to 4-A. This would be a stomp once the CRT has been accepted as one TK blast obliterates voldy instantly. Voldy bloodlusted would do little as palpatine proceeds to evade the Killing curse or absorb with tutaminis while sending one blast at voldy, choking him, and he dies instantly. As of now, palpatine takes this since he has most if not many answers to voldy’s offensive abilities while voldy has to deal with class M TK attacks and force lightning
Harry Potter should be upgraded to the universal level, as Dumbledore was able to create an exact copy of the world with a single drop of water and move it to a mirror dimension. At least the level of a star cluster, since statistical Death Eaters are able to explode a Dark Mark, which is described as a whole constellation of emerald stars, and at Hogwarts there is a pocket dimension of the whole cosmos on the ceiling, which contains galaxies, nebulae, etc.Disney canon should 6-A honestly with the HR stuff