Darth Marr vs Luke Skywalker (4/0/0)

[Epyriel]

Can you be 1% of 5-D?

Palpatine (let alone ROTJ Palpatine), is in no universe 5D. There is a reason the thread that attempted higher dimension AP scaling for DE Sidious got shot down.
Frankly Luke and Vader here shouldn’t even get past City level.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Palpatine (let alone ROTJ Palpatine), is in no universe 5D. There is a reason the thread that attempted higher dimension AP scaling for DE Sidious got shot down.

Palpatine can create Force Storms/Wormholes which requires accessing Hyperspace which is an alternate dimension beyond the 4-D universe of Star Wars, how can you create a wormhole at only Solar System level?

 

[Epyriel]

Palpatine can create Force Storms/Wormholes which requires accessing Hyperspace which is an alternate dimension beyond the 4-D universe of Star Wars, how can you create a wormhole at only Solar System level?

Having higher dimensional hax (like making wormholes through hyperspace) doesn’t require you to be able to destroy higher dimensional universes.

This has already been covered, much like the notion of Vader scaling to ROTJ Sidious.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Having higher dimensional hax (like making wormholes through hyperspace) doesn’t require you to be able to destroy higher dimensional universes.

Tell that to BlazBlue with Low 6-B characters able to harm up to Low 1-C beings

 

[DaReaperMan]

Tell that to BlazBlue with Low 6-B characters able to harm up to Low 1-C beings

Because there's a massive ******* difference between "It's a being who is flat Low 1-C" and "It's a Low 1-C dimension he's minorly affecting" unless you'd like to bring me a tier 1 Palpy fought? I'll wait.

Novelization: Only now at the end, do you understand. Your puerile skills are no match for the power of the dark side. You have paid a price for your lack of vision. Now, young Skywalker, you will pay the price in full. You will die!

Movie: Now, young Skywalker... You will die...

How is that any more explicit?

Which isn't him saying he's going to go full power murder. It's him saying that Luke will die. Plus, you STILL don't scale to someone who instantly incaps you. If Mike Tyson floors your ass and makes it so you can't get up for awhile in one punch, do you scale to his ass?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Which isn't him saying he's going to go full power murder. It's him saying that Luke will die.

you STILL don't scale to someone who instantly incaps you. If Mike Tyson floors your ass and makes it so you can't get up for awhile in one punch, do you scale to his ass?

At least my durability would scale if I'm able to endure it and if his punch aren't able to break my bones

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Having higher dimensional hax (like making wormholes through hyperspace) doesn’t require you to be able to destroy higher dimensional universes.

Mind if I can ask what is your definition of hax? And also what separates a showing of power from being just hax?

I tend to think hax is for example is something that either negates an opponent's durability or can incapacitate your opponent without needing to really deal with their AP. Where do Force Storms fit in that exactly?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Also it's being pretty fun to read enormous quotes while not knowing whats G or C and why they have Star Wars canons or smth

• G-canon was George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and any statements by George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). When the films were changed, the newest editions were deemed to take canonical precedence over older ones, as they corrected mistakes, improved consistency between the two trilogies, and expressed Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely. The deleted scenes included on the DVDs were also considered G-canon (when they didn't conflict with the movie).

• C-canon was Continuity Canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, other films, and more. Games were a special case, as generally only the stories were C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not have been;<a href="https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Canon#cite_note-Chee_SWBoards_8-60"><span>[</span>60<span>]</span></a> they also offered non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have appeared in the movies, making them G-canon.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

No, they are not the films. Plenty of SW media covers the same content of the films, but that doesn’t magically make them G-Canon.

The novelizations were originally released right before the films to promote them, essentially giving people the plot of the movie before they would see it in action in theaters. And also Matthew Stover himself has said that George Lucas himself read, edited and approved every word in the Revenge of the Sith novelization; it's not hard to suggest it's the same for the rest of the novelizations. Also the novelization ended up being created with more scrutiny due to drawing from deleted scenes and scripts, production notes, etc., so what would be put in had to be approved of first and fore-most.

 

[Epyriel]

Mind if I can ask what is your definition of hax? And also what separates a showing of power from being just hax?

I tend to think hax is for example is something that either negates an opponent's durability or can incapacitate your opponent without needing to really deal with their AP. Where do Force Storms fit in that exactly?

Hax is just a broad term for abilities that can have a disproportionate impact on a battle by changing some fundemental aspect for how it can play out.

The important difference here is that Sidious tore a wormhole through Hyperspace, he didn’t destroy Hyperspace. To qualify for 1-C he needs to show DC on the level of destroying or significantly affecting the entire higer dimensional realm. His Force Storms don’t come close to achieving that, the only thing you could actually scale them to is the actual destruction they can achieve in a 1s timeframe (as is standard for continuous abilities). Which would be High 6-A at best.

The novelizations were originally released right before the films to promote them, essentially giving people the plot of the movie before they would see it in action in theaters. And also Matthew Stover himself has said that George Lucas himself read, edited and approved every word in the Revenge of the Sith novelization; it's not hard to suggest it's the same for the rest of the novelizations. Also the novelization ended up being created with more scrutiny due to drawing from deleted scenes and scripts, production notes, etc., so what would be put in had to be approved of first and fore-most.

None of that makes them equivalent to the movies. Leland Chee has already explicitly stated that Lucas reading over some project does not make it G-Canon.

 

[Nonynho]

• G-canon was George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and any statements by George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). When the films were changed, the newest editions were deemed to take canonical precedence over older ones, as they corrected mistakes, improved consistency between the two trilogies, and expressed Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely. The deleted scenes included on the DVDs were also considered G-canon (when they didn't conflict with the movie).
• C-canon was Continuity Canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, other films, and more. Games were a special case, as generally only the stories were C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not have been;<a href="https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Canon#cite_note-Chee_SWBoards_8-60"><span>[</span>60<span>]</span></a> they also offered non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have appeared in the movies, making them G-canon.

Sick
Ty for the great compilation of info

 

[DaReaperMan]

Bump

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Leland Chee has already explicitly stated that Lucas reading over some project does not make it G-Canon.

But the novelizations tell the stories of his movies, so of course he would review them with more scrutiny to make sure they stay true to his vision.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

To qualify for 1-C he needs to show DC on the level of destroying or significantly affecting the entire higer dimensional realm.

I think manipulating Hyperspace to create wormholes counts as significantly affecting the entire higer dimensional realm.

 

[Epyriel]

But the novelizations tell the stories of his movies, so of course he would review them with more scrutiny to make sure they stay true to his vision.

Still doesn’t make it G-Canon.

I think manipulating Hyperspace to create wormholes counts as significantly affecting the entire higer dimensional realm.

How is creating a tunnel smaller than the width of a planet equivalent to significantly affecting the entire infinitely sized higher dimension?

 

[AigerTheKing]

Darth Marr FRA