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Luke Skywalker vs Ken Kanek (I hope this is not a stomp)

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The Last Jedi Vs The One-Eyed King



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The battle takes place in Tokyo
Sequel Trilogy Luke vs Post-Rose Arc Ken

Luke Skywalker:
Ken Kaneki: @NikHelton @DarthSorox @LegendariumOfLies @AigerTheKing @Arkansalter2 @Ms.Luzifer @Doggo @Robo432343
They share coffee (Incon):​
 
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So.....

Luke scales 337.60 kilotons and 62,836,065 kg (Class M)

Now Ken scales 609 kilotons and is Class G

Ken has the overall AP and LS advantage
 
So.....

Luke scales 337.60 kilotons and 62,836,065 kg (Class M)

Now Ken scales 609 kilotons and is Class G

Ken has the overall AP and LS advantage
Is Canon Luke as skilled as the Legends? How much does he rely on foresight in combat?
Reading intent, anticipation, and instinctive reaction should even the odds. Kaneki's swordsmanship won't be of much use in combat, but what will Luke do against a dozen tentacles attacking him from all directions, freely changing their trajectory and shape?
 
Is Canon Luke as skilled as the Legends? How much does he rely on foresight in combat?
An accepted blog post I wrote detailing lightsaber combat and the Jedi arts.

Besides what's detailed there, Luke's main lightsaber forms (in the Jedi arts, all forms are practiced, but Jedi generally choose one or two as their favorites) are Form V (Djem So) and Form III (Soresu).
FORM III: SORESU
Form III, or Soresu, developed in response to the growing prevalence of blasters throughout the galaxy. The necessity of an entirely new form to fill this niche stemmed from the relative ineffectiveness of Shii-Cho techniques in countering blaster fire—developed as they were from entirely melee-based techniques—and from Makashi’s complete lack of suitable techniques.

Central to Soresu techniques was a lightsaber blade’s ability to deflect blaster bolts and even—with extensive practice—to reflect them back at attackers. This latter possibility was one of the major breakthroughs in lightsaber combat in the area of blaster supremacy, and it was a key approach to damaging opponents while employing Form III. However, deflecting blaster bolts is only one tool in the defensive arsenal of a Soresu practitioner, who trains to block and parry lightsaber strikes, withstand numerous opponents, and above all maintain a calm focus that allows an appropriate defensive response to any threat.

In every aspect of combat—and in contrast to Form I’s sweeping motions—Form III utilizes tight, controlled motions and a strict economy of action. This is key to the total defense of Soresu, as even the slightest extraneous motion leaves an opening for an aggressive opponent. With this focus, Jedi saw the form as their best hope for survival. Soresu fighters applied this principle not only to lightsaber movements, but to their entire bodies. Form III also emphasizes quick footwork, constant movement, and never limiting the opponent’s avenues of attack. This reflects the rare circumstances where the Soresu practitioner must defend with lightsaber parries and blocks.

This strategy is representative of Soresu’s thoughtful, even intellectual approach to all aspects of battle. Although proper employment of Soresu depends upon the practitioner’s raw agility and speed, this is secondary to mental acuity. The form’s emphasis on efficient and tightly controlled motions somewhat relieves the physical requirements. Furthermore, the form emphasizes not only moment-to-moment tactics but also a larger strategic approach to combat. Warriors using Form III take a broader view of battle, adapting as necessary to incoming attacks. The Soresu practitioner carefully considers each attack as well as the overall pattern, a purely defensive strategy that scales with nearly any number of enemies.

Although it was initially developed primarily to address the issue of blaster fire, Form III took on greater significance as a form focused almost entirely on defending against attacks of any nature. Form I’s emphasis on offense left the defensive uses of the lightsaber in need of further exploration, while Form II’s protective techniques quickly lost effectiveness against numerically superior foes—especially if they were armed with blasters. Soresu may have originated to address the threat of blasters, but even once deflection techniques were incorporated into future forms, Form III remained a viable and worthy focus for Jedi thanks to its exhaustive concentration on defensive techniques for all situations.



SORESU IN PRACTICE
Soresu’s distinction as the Resilience Form is well earned, for its effective use depends on outlasting one’s opponents. To properly employ the form, one must focus entirely on preservation and internal resources, waiting to gradually wear down the enemy. In this manner, the Soresu master takes full advantage of the enemy’s most critical weakness: the weakness that arises as a result of physical exhaustion or mental frustration. Fortunately, this condition often causes the opponent to fall before the practitioner does.

Similarly, Soresu prizes calm and tranquility in the practitioner, cultivating control and inner focus that prevent frustration with the form’s seemingly passive refusal of constant offensive action. While opponents grow increasingly frustrated by their inability to penetrate the Form III fighter’s defenses, the practitioner remains calm, waiting patiently for a weak strike. This emphasis on the suppression of emotion, in line with the larger Jedi philosophy, likely explains Form III’s enduring popularity even after the advent of later forms.

FORM V: SHIEN AND DJEM SO​

Form V was developed by practitioners of Form III who saw the need for better offensive capabilities. These Jedi valued Soresu’s defensive techniques but sought a form that better incorporated attacks. While Form IV went in an entirely opposed direction, focusing almost exclusively on offense, Shien practitioners tempered Form III’s potent defensive maneuvers with an increased emphasis on attack.

In the eyes of some, Form V tilts toward the dark side by focusing exclusively on defense and simply waiting for an opportunity to attack. Form V maintains many of the defensive techniques of Soresu but instead actively seeks to create an opening to attack. The form achieves this primarily by utilizing techniques that knock back against them, such as by literally reflecting a blaster bolt back at the shooter or following up a parry with a powerful counterattack.

Form V’s Shien variant was the first to appear. Shien continued down Soresu’s path in seeking an improved defense in light of the continued prominence of blaster technology throughout the galaxy. Shien’s philosophy was to not only defend against incoming attacks but reflect them back at the very enemies firing them, transforming the enemy’s blaster into a weapon of the Jedi. This technique proved so successful and effective that virtually all Jedi incorporated it into their repertoires, regardless of their favored form.

The Djem So variant of Form V developed some centuries later to address the inadequacies of the form in combating opponents in melee. Djem So emphasizes defense against melee attacks, particularly by foes wielding lightsabers. Principles and approach, however, are largely the same as Shien, and the maneuvers and techniques that do vary are not adequately different to mark Djem So as a distinct form. Most practitioners of Form V practice both Shien and Djem So techniques to remain prepared for any type of foe, though they might favor one over the other.

Form V is a fluid style. Practitioners must always be ready to spring to the attack from a defensive position and to return to protection when momentum runs low. While Shii-Cho and Ataru focus on sudden action and Soresu waits patiently for an opportunity, Shien and Djem So seek to control the momentum of battle, cleverly utilizing whatever circumstances arise to their advantage.

SHIEN AND DJEM SO IN PRACTICE​

Form V is a physically demanding style, calling on the user to quickly transition from a dedicated defensive stance to an all-out attack. Key to Shien’s success is attacking without warning, when the foe does not expect it. Both strength and speed are required to immediately follow up a block or parry with a powerful series of strikes before enemies can prepare their own defense.

Form V contains a number of maneuvers for closing with a blaster-wielding opponent. However, it lacks the mobility of Ataru. Once locked in melee, a Djem So fighter moves little except for what footwork is required to press the assault against a foe. Likewise, shielding oneself from the blaster fire of numerous opponents greatly limits one’s mobility.

Shien practitioners sometimes used a distinctive reverse grip considered antiquated by the time of the Clone Wars. Advocates of the technique believed that this grip allowed a warrior to leverage power. Others argued that it was less effective for defensive maneuvers, making the approach quite controversial among Form V masters.
tentacles attacking him from all directions, freely changing their trajectory and shape?
Luke is superior to his father who can do this.

So if Luke has trouble cutting through the tentacles, he can simply do Force Pushes with a large area of effect. Force Barrier can also be used for blocking.

Besides, you know, Force sense + danger sensor + precognition + telepathy + instinctive reaction + slow-motion vision. There's also the mind trick and force stasis that Luke has access to.
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Anyway, doesn't Kaneki have Mid regeneration? How would Luke kill him in combat?
 
An accepted blog post I wrote detailing lightsaber combat and the Jedi arts.

Besides what's detailed there, Luke's main lightsaber forms (in the Jedi arts, all forms are practiced, but Jedi generally choose one or two as their favorites) are Form V (Djem So) and Form III (Soresu).
I was referring to his use of the Force. In the films, and especially in the sequels, he's not impressive at all.
Luke is superior to his father who can do this.

So if Luke has trouble cutting through the tentacles, he can simply do Force Pushes with a large area of effect. Force Barrier can also be used for blocking.
Kaneki's Kagune is LS Class G, exceeding Luke's telekinesis and thrust power by 1262 times. Luke won't be able to stop these attacks or push them back. Kaneki, on the other hand, has excellent battlefield control and a stepped blitz amp that surpasses his Black Kakuja, which surpasses his EoS Scolopendra, which surpasses his Half-Kakuja Scolopendra, making him invisible to the enemy and allowing him to travel 20 meters faster than they can perceive.
Besides, you know, Force sense + danger sensor + precognition + telepathy + instinctive reaction + slow-motion vision. There's also the mind trick and force stasis that Luke has access to
Wait, aren't all these things a result of the Force sense?
Anyway, doesn't Kaneki have Mid regeneration? How would Luke kill him in combat?
Kaneki's regeneration isn't infinite. However, he does have RE and AD that work through damage accumulation, and this shit allows him to one-shot those who were suppressing him not long ago.
 
I was referring to his use of the Force. In the films, and especially in the sequels, he's not impressive at all.
What he can do with the Force is on the Force page.

Kaneki's Kagune is LS Class G, exceeding Luke's telekinesis and thrust power by 1262 times.
Force Push is AP not LS. It is described as a wave of kinetic energy.

Wait, aren't all these things a result of the Force sense?
Danger sense has a bit of it. But precognition doesn't; it has a second name called Double Vision. Telepathy is basically a passive thing. And the rest happens when guided by the Force, which in combat situations is instinctive.

Kaneki's regeneration isn't infinite. However, he does have RE and AD that work through damage accumulation, and this shit allows him to one-shot those who were suppressing him not long ago.
One shot and blitz feats without a multiplier aren't taken into account much in vsthreads because each verse has its own one shot/blitz value, but I think Kaneki has a 4x AP advantage. So whatever.
 
What he can do with the Force is on the Force page.
In this case, Kaneki still has enhanced perception, heightened senses that allow him to sense air vibrations and scan the surrounding area like sonar, speed amp, instinctive reaction that allows him to blindly dodge a series of attacks and perform acrobatics at the same time, analytical forecasting and overwhelming AD
Force Push is AP not LS. It is described as a wave of kinetic energy.
Kaneki has twice the AP. Combined with his LS and one-shot amp advantage, this will prevent Luke from repelling Kagune attacks.
One shot and blitz feats without a multiplier aren't taken into account much in vsthreads because each verse has its own one shot/blitz value, but I think Kaneki has a 4x AP advantage. So whatever.
They are not as important as the exact numerical amp, but still provide an advantage.
 
In this case, Kaneki still has enhanced perception, heightened senses that allow him to sense air vibrations and scan the surrounding area like sonar, speed amp, instinctive reaction that allows him to blindly dodge a series of attacks and perform acrobatics at the same time, analytical forecasting and overwhelming AD
About the first and second things. Hmm. Force Sense is galactic/interdimensional, so it can sense the character's presence, the Force, sense attacks, emotions, and a sense of danger. And about blindly dodging attacks...hmm...10-year-olds learn to block attacks with all their senses blocked, guided only by the Force.

They are not as important as the exact numerical amp, but still provide an advantage.
Yes, but don't rely too much on the one-shot concept. Kaneki still has the 4x advantage, though.

Anyway, I'm just talking about Luke's capabilities, not who wins.
 
Well, getting back to this match, Kaneki's acrobatics and instincts seem quite useful to me.
I don't know if a x7 difference is enough to instantly vaporize the kagune, but even so, seeing that the opponent isn't going to give in so easily, Kaneki will activate his kakuja, which will give him a blitz amp and will actively use donmaku and kagune constructs, as he did against Arima. Considering how shapeshifting the kagune is and that Kaneki can use about eight tentacles at once, this is a serious argument. Any touch attack will be deadly for Luke. Ultimately, all Kaneki has to do is get close, avoid the lightsaber, and strike.

My vote goes to Kaneki.
 
Fraud Luke is getting toasted. Kaneki takes this high diff

7x AP Advantage, Higher LS, arguably better intelligence (especially after the Sequel Trilogy)
 
bruh where are my fellow Star Wars supporters?!?

tbf TLJ Luke is trash lol
 
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