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Alright, this will be a relatively simple revision post, that is very important imo.
There seems to be some confusion on the structure of the DB macrocosm, in particular the afterlife and living world portions. I would like to put forward that the afterlife volumetrically is as large or larger than the living world, which we accept as a true Universe, and is a separate space time as well.
1. First to prove that Heaven and hell are the size of the Universe all we need do is look at the daizenshuu, which states directly as much.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11596
"Heaven is said to be as wide as the entire universe itself, and seems to consist mostly of an immense field of flowers."
SO there you have it, heaven alone is the size of the Universe. this is also backed up in any diagram of the macrocosm where the living world and other world are about equal in size.
2. Proving that other world is a seperate space from the living world, that cannot be simply flown to by beings other than gods like Whis, who can already cross time and space, including universes and timelines, it must be teleported to.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11596
Travel to and from the Afterlife
"Dead people can return to the living world for a single day, usually with Uranai Baba's help. The dead Elder Kaioshin freely goes to New Namek without Uranai Baba, but as a god he might be an exception. If nothing else, some sort of teleporting ability is needed under normal circumstances, due to the separation between the afterlife and living world. In DBZ movie 9, Goku is able to teleport back to the living world on his own for a split second. After 24 hours, the dead person must return to the afterlife, though it's not clear what would happen if they tried to stay. The 24 hour limit doesn't seem to be merely an arbitrary rule though: Goku says that his Super Saiyan 3 form uses up so much energy in the living world that it lowers the amount of time that he's able to stay there.
On the other hand, living people seem to have no problem traveling to the afterlife and back, but only if they have teleporting powers. Uranai Baba can travel freely between the living world and afterlife, and Goku teleports to Kaio's planet and back again before the Cell Games."
This shows that normally simple flight cannot take you to other world, and it is indeed separate from the living world, not just another part of the same space.
3. Here we get even more proof that it indeed has a separate time space.
https://imgur.com/a/3qrTT
Goku directly states in manga that time flows differently in other world than in the living world, and this is why they can only use SSJ3 in other world for long periods, and why presumably people don't seem to age to.
4. We know there are other space times even within the living world itself like the demon realm and ROSAT, and these are just part of the living world which is completely separate from other world. The only issue anybody takes with them is size, volumetrically, which is a whole other can of worms I won't bother with here.
Conclusion
This is clearly showing a separate and different universal space time if even time flows differently, it is a separated space that can't be flown to, and it's volumetric size is not in question either.
Therefore I would recommend officially agreeing that other world is a separate space time from the living world, and that a macrocosm in it's entirety is a 2-C structure. Not asking for any upgrades in this post, just that we can all agree other world and living world are two separate time space structures.
PLEASE DO NOT DERAIL THE THREAD OR CLOSE IT DOWN UNTIL IT HAS BEEN ANALIZED AND I HAVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS
This is meant to be simple and straight to the point.
There seems to be some confusion on the structure of the DB macrocosm, in particular the afterlife and living world portions. I would like to put forward that the afterlife volumetrically is as large or larger than the living world, which we accept as a true Universe, and is a separate space time as well.
1. First to prove that Heaven and hell are the size of the Universe all we need do is look at the daizenshuu, which states directly as much.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11596
"Heaven is said to be as wide as the entire universe itself, and seems to consist mostly of an immense field of flowers."
SO there you have it, heaven alone is the size of the Universe. this is also backed up in any diagram of the macrocosm where the living world and other world are about equal in size.
2. Proving that other world is a seperate space from the living world, that cannot be simply flown to by beings other than gods like Whis, who can already cross time and space, including universes and timelines, it must be teleported to.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11596
Travel to and from the Afterlife
"Dead people can return to the living world for a single day, usually with Uranai Baba's help. The dead Elder Kaioshin freely goes to New Namek without Uranai Baba, but as a god he might be an exception. If nothing else, some sort of teleporting ability is needed under normal circumstances, due to the separation between the afterlife and living world. In DBZ movie 9, Goku is able to teleport back to the living world on his own for a split second. After 24 hours, the dead person must return to the afterlife, though it's not clear what would happen if they tried to stay. The 24 hour limit doesn't seem to be merely an arbitrary rule though: Goku says that his Super Saiyan 3 form uses up so much energy in the living world that it lowers the amount of time that he's able to stay there.
On the other hand, living people seem to have no problem traveling to the afterlife and back, but only if they have teleporting powers. Uranai Baba can travel freely between the living world and afterlife, and Goku teleports to Kaio's planet and back again before the Cell Games."
This shows that normally simple flight cannot take you to other world, and it is indeed separate from the living world, not just another part of the same space.
3. Here we get even more proof that it indeed has a separate time space.
https://imgur.com/a/3qrTT
Goku directly states in manga that time flows differently in other world than in the living world, and this is why they can only use SSJ3 in other world for long periods, and why presumably people don't seem to age to.
- I also must address a past comment on this point. It was stated previously that because time flows in other world and living world simultaneously, like when Goku is preparing to fight Nappa and Vegeta, that it is the same time space. This premise does not prove such a thing even if it is true. You can have multiple time spaces moving forward in time simultaneously, it occurs with Future trunks timeline and the present for example, both timelines move forward at the same rate, yet are completely separate timelines, so the logic behind that argument is flawed to start and it does not prove they are the same time space.
4. We know there are other space times even within the living world itself like the demon realm and ROSAT, and these are just part of the living world which is completely separate from other world. The only issue anybody takes with them is size, volumetrically, which is a whole other can of worms I won't bother with here.
Conclusion
This is clearly showing a separate and different universal space time if even time flows differently, it is a separated space that can't be flown to, and it's volumetric size is not in question either.
Therefore I would recommend officially agreeing that other world is a separate space time from the living world, and that a macrocosm in it's entirety is a 2-C structure. Not asking for any upgrades in this post, just that we can all agree other world and living world are two separate time space structures.
PLEASE DO NOT DERAIL THE THREAD OR CLOSE IT DOWN UNTIL IT HAS BEEN ANALIZED AND I HAVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS
This is meant to be simple and straight to the point.
