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Welcome to this thread. I will be discussing the scaling of DCEU Superman as someone who has watched many DCEU films before. Obviously, I disagree with some of the scaling there including some of the powers and abilities given to him. I had another thread here. However, I thought that thread was subpar and not thought out well. I am a novice and due to my inexperience amongst other factors, I was unable to craft a proper argument and I was also unable to close the thread. So if you are an admin and see this. You can close that thread. The first point I would like to address would be:
1.The first reason is the fact that him using his HV to match the WE beam only happens in the book, this is important as it contradicts his actions when he actually does destroy the world engine in the film. As you can see in the picture which contains the excerpt, "crimson energy comes out of his eyes" and "his pupils glow red" both of which happens whilst he is flying and him "stalemating" the world engine mid air does not happen in the film and by that I mean it is clearly shown that he does not use his HV to interact with the WE at all.
This further adds up when you realise that this is not an isolated discrepancy in the book. The book also states that during the final battle with Zod in the station, "indestructible Kryptonian fabric ripped" and it writes out a whole fight that canonically did not happen in the film. There are more. Such as Zod bleeding. But I think you get the point.
Therefore according to VSBW rules regarding canon: This feat from the novelization which is a mere adaptation anyways and should not be used. Especially since the primary canon is the movie and the novel was not made by Zack Snyder anyways.
2. Even excluding everything I mentioned above, there is still a major problem as to whether or not interacting with the gravity beam equates to interacting with an intangible object. Which is what is required to get non physical interactions. As we clearly see the force produced by the gravity beam can interact with the environment. Destroy buildings, move people and according to the novel, energize matter. It also interacts with superman, so it interacting with his HV should be no surprise and shouldn't give him non physical interactions.
Supes HV being 3.5 million KelvinSupes HV is currently roughly 3.5 million on this thread and this thread. It was upgraded from possible I believe. I don't think this is correct for multiple reasons. For starters superman never melts the kryptonian metal on the ships hull. He simply makes it glow red hot which isn't really that impressive when you consider that making a metal glow, especially an alien anomalous one such as kryptonian metal doesn't mean you are close to it's boiling or melting point. The metal from the world engine was white because of reentry. This is also supported by the fact it takes superman multiple seconds to fully melt a steel beam instead of just vaporizing it instantly.
There's also the fact that the process happening to the Kryptonian metal in STAR labs is referred to as super heating which is caused due to the bombardment of x rays from the electron laser. Meaning that 3 million kelvin may be above the melting or boiling points of the metal. And as for the reason we are not shown the metal being affected by the laser, we simply never had the chance to see it as the only shot we have of the material is facing it's rear, not where the laser is hitting.
Even assuming I am wrong, there is no timeframe given for when this process happens. The only timeframe given is for when the Earth's gravity reaches the point where human organs are crushed which was 2 weeks and only in the novel.
Non-Physical Interaction with Heat Vision
According to the novel, superman matches the gravity beam from the World Engine. And since the World Engine's gravity beams go through the world/phases through the world, it should count as non physical interaction. However, I believe that this reasoning is flawed for 2 reasons.
1.The first reason is the fact that him using his HV to match the WE beam only happens in the book, this is important as it contradicts his actions when he actually does destroy the world engine in the film. As you can see in the picture which contains the excerpt, "crimson energy comes out of his eyes" and "his pupils glow red" both of which happens whilst he is flying and him "stalemating" the world engine mid air does not happen in the film and by that I mean it is clearly shown that he does not use his HV to interact with the WE at all.
This further adds up when you realise that this is not an isolated discrepancy in the book. The book also states that during the final battle with Zod in the station, "indestructible Kryptonian fabric ripped" and it writes out a whole fight that canonically did not happen in the film. There are more. Such as Zod bleeding. But I think you get the point.
Therefore according to VSBW rules regarding canon: This feat from the novelization which is a mere adaptation anyways and should not be used. Especially since the primary canon is the movie and the novel was not made by Zack Snyder anyways.
2. Even excluding everything I mentioned above, there is still a major problem as to whether or not interacting with the gravity beam equates to interacting with an intangible object. Which is what is required to get non physical interactions. As we clearly see the force produced by the gravity beam can interact with the environment. Destroy buildings, move people and according to the novel, energize matter. It also interacts with superman, so it interacting with his HV should be no surprise and shouldn't give him non physical interactions.
Supes HV being 3.5 million Kelvin
There's also the fact that the process happening to the Kryptonian metal in STAR labs is referred to as super heating which is caused due to the bombardment of x rays from the electron laser. Meaning that 3 million kelvin may be above the melting or boiling points of the metal. And as for the reason we are not shown the metal being affected by the laser, we simply never had the chance to see it as the only shot we have of the material is facing it's rear, not where the laser is hitting.
World Engine Calcs downgrade from High 5A
Okay now this will be the hardest one. Especially due to how good the calc itself is. This calc is used to get the output of the WE to dwarf star level and by extent Superman. However there is a glaring issue with the calc. This is because the op assumes that the WE was going to turn Earth's core into a Neutron star by compressing it into neutron star density. This is wrong. This is because it is explicitly stated in the film that Krypton's core turning into a neutron was caused by the core collapsing. It only turns into a neutron when the planet explodes/implodes. This was caused by trying to use their core as a natural resource and their efforts to combat it using the WE led to the process accelerating. Neutron's natural core isn't a neutron star. It turning into a neutron star was caused by tampering with it therefore the WE made 100,000 of years before Krypton's core became a neutron star means that the WE trying to replicate Kryptons conditions on Earth wouldn't need to make it a neutron star.Even assuming I am wrong, there is no timeframe given for when this process happens. The only timeframe given is for when the Earth's gravity reaches the point where human organs are crushed which was 2 weeks and only in the novel.
