DCU General Discussion Thread

[Lacku]

 

[Dalesean027]

 

[Dalesean027]

 

[57Dev]

Better.

 

[Lacku]

hals costume is still buns but im willing to give this a chance

 

[Tonygameman]

Reactions already, wow.

 

[Nonynho]

Didn't knew about this one, hope anyone here's interested in a 2022's Batman match

It seems like the Death Note side of the discussion gave up, since there has been no answer in quite a while, so would anyone be willing to collaborate with a vote or more inputs?

[1-0-0] Whatever's clever, the master foe, all bad guys heard of, nar' a villain know - 2022 Batman vs Light Yagami

-Batman has Gotham's situation estabilized (lol what a dream) and starts acting on november 15, 2004, right when Light starts acting as L -Light knew that he was an american vigilante (Limited Prior Knowledge) -Following the japanese movies TL, if Light sees himself too cornered, he ends his...

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[Dalesean027]

HOLY SHIT

 

[Dinobot1996]

 

[Dinobot1996]

 

[Dinobot1996]

 

[57Dev]

Unless said in the movie, this is basically a throwaway marketing statement for buzz. Especially since Superman by narration is "The most powerful metahuman of them All"

Not just the strongest on earth, but All. It's pretty much told that until Ultraman, who is a clone, nothing stronger than him ever showed up on Earth.

 

[KirbyFan03]

Superman's the goat

 

[Dinobot1996]

A better look at the Daily Planet newspaper that was glimpsed in the Supergirl trailer:

 

[Dalesean027]

I see the movie on friday

 

[57Dev]

Even more radiation resistance and insane feat for the cold breath to cool down a overheating nuclear reactor

 

[Tonygameman]

(grins knowing that nuclear reactors produce gamma radiation and regarding other incarnations, solar flares do as well; first link's just a example for scans)

 

[Dinobot1996]

So I guess that'd be Cold Manipulation and possibly resistances to Durability Negation (Internal Structures) and Diseases? Not bad for a feat from a newspaper.

 

[57Dev]

Just upgraded Radiation resistance covers both and he already has heat resistance.

 

[57Dev]

Honestly... It's not looking too good for Supergirl's box office. The marketing so far has been minimal. Plus Fifa right now and the Toy Story being in theaters.

 

[Dinobot1996]

With the review embargo lifted, and the release date imminent (with some overseas early screenings having apparently occurred already), I went ahead and set up the spoiler discussion thread for the Supergirl movie.

 

[ByArrow]

Syndrome vs Lex Luthor

VS Syndrome has access to Omnidroid v.10 Lex Luthor has access to Ultraman Both have prior knowledge and 1 day of prep time Higher than 8-B is restricted Speed is equalized Location: Metropolis "I'll sell my inventions so that everyone can be superheroes. Everyone can be super! And when...

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[Dinobot1996]

 

[Antvasima]

Great news.

 

[57Dev]

So... Getting big ass red flag rumors about Friction in DCU.

Apparently after the director of Supergirl, Craig Gilispe had made his final cut with his editor, James Gunn took over with his own editor and cut off 12 minutes of footage which includes the Villains backstory, changed songs and had clashes with the director.

The theatre cut had about 25 minutes of cut footage (excluding credits.)

Yikes. So much for "No studio interference" and "Allowing directors to have their own style."

Hopefully nothing happens to Clayface. I am looking forward to that and if they decide to cut scenes to make family friendly or any of that bs, I will crash out.

 

[Dalesean027]

So... Getting big ass red flag rumors about Friction in DCU.

Apparently after the director of Supergirl, Craig Gilispe had made his final cut with his editor, James Gunn took over with his own editor and cut off 12 minutes of footage which includes the Villains backstory, changed songs and had clashes with the director.

The theatre cut had about 25 minutes of cut footage (excluding credits.)

Yikes. So much for "No studio interference" and "Allowing directors to have their own style."

Hopefully nothing happens to Clayface. I am looking forward to that and if they decide to cut scenes to make family friendly or any of that bs, I will crash out.

This is in bad faith, if you actually read the full THR report he did allow Gillespie full creative freedom but when screeners went bad of the initial screenings they tried to recut it and improve it and the studio cut was chosen as the final one.


Regardless though the fact that the screenwriter and director also didn't properly know the ending to the WoT comic and though Kara killed Krem and changed the journey and message of the story. Its obvious the problem didn't lie on Gunn or the studio alone for trying to salvage the film after it did bad in screenings. Very weird of you to come and spew this kind of ignorant hate without doing proper research first. Just screams of agenda


Especially ignores that they didn't want to have the budget be as high a Superman and weren't going to do big reshoots and changes since that would increase cost so aside from cuts here and there the full product still would have retained a lot of what the original cut had given they weren't doing mass reshoots or changes outside of some cut content

 

[57Dev]

Gunn's cut won test screening by a very small margin from what I hear. But again wasn't the point "No studio interference". I am just concerned that is all. I have nothing against Gunn, but ego clashes in big productions can hurt a franchise. I don't give flying **** about some **** ass agenda. If you think I am parotting some channel you don't like, than that's your issue. I get my news through Comic verse which is a pretty neutral indian youtuber.

 

[Antvasima]

Everybody please try to calm down here.

 

[Dalesean027]

But again wasn't the point "No studio interference"

And that's obviously within reason, if they see its gonna crash and burn from doing bad in screenings then obviously at that point the studio will get involved to try and make fixes but if the screenings are good then its fine.

I don't give flying ** about some ** ass agenda. If you think I am parotting some channel you don't like, than that's your issue

I truly don't care what channel you get your content through and have no channels i have any vitrol for but given your takeaway was what you wrote there its pretty evident you missed the message if your take away was this

Hopefully nothing happens to Clayface. I am looking forward to that and if they decide to cut scenes to make family friendly or any of that bs, I will crash out.

So yeah despite the channels you watched your message didn't at all read like one speaking from a neutral standpoint and ignored context and took no studio interference in bad faith and not within reason.

Everybody please try to calm down here.

I am calm here, I'm just speaking my opinion from what was sent here since this is a discussion thread

 

[57Dev]

And that's obviously within reason, if they see its gonna crash and burn from doing bad in screenings then obviously at that point the studio will get involved to try and make fixes but if the screenings are good then its fine.

Screening don't tell the whole picture. Was removing the main villains story necessary ?

Not to mention, forget the screening. Also everyone was bashing the song choice of the final fight. Guess who changed the song ? James Gunn. Here is straight the example of a bad decision he made. So whose to say his cut was better, whose to says all his other decisions didn't botch the movie further ? The scores are not reliable metric or The Flash would Godfather level masterpiece.

You are telling me do research. Use your own brain. "No studio interference" now is just a marketing gimmick. That's a fact. When the director can't even pick the song of his movies, that's not "the studio will get involved to try and make fixes" that's called, "Your job is finished, pack up and I am taking over."

Second. It's not "For the better." It's what the studio thinks is better. And we are talking WB here. And guess what ? It's Box office disappointment. A Lot of saving Gunn did.

Guess what. The Music and villain are considered the released movie's weaker points. According to the trade reports, the test audience data explicitly showed that Gillespie’s version scored significantly higher on song choices, pacing, and the villain.

Think about how insane that is. The released movie’s biggest critical failure points are the disjointed pacing, the underwritten villain, and those jarring, butchered needle drops like "The Middle." Gunn's team actively took a cut that had a better-received villain and better music, stripped those elements out, slapped in their own tone, and now the movie is a $100 million box office disaster.

I am not saying 100% directorial freedom is possible or sustainable. But -

1. Don't advertise it when you can't do it. That's called, Lying. When you talk about "Creator driven projects" and just takeover in post, it obviously is bad marketing. What was that about a movie not starting Filming until the script is perfect ? Oh right, Marketing stunt.

2. When do step in to make changes, make them for the better. Not for the worse.

3. If you think screening scores are a absolute metric of quality then you have no idea how it actually works.

- Titanic : Screening prediction - Biggest flop in Hollywood history. Release reality - 11 Oscars, 4th highest grossing movie in history.

- The Flash : Screening prediction - Superhit, higher than Dark Knight. Release Reality - One of the largest box office bombs in superhero history.

For all we know the Original cut with less scores could be either dogshit or far better than what we got.

Don't put directors on Pedestals. It often leads to disappointment later down the line. Stick to powerscaling kid.

 

[Dalesean027]

Screening don't tell the whole picture. Was removing the main villains story necessary ?

Not to mention, forget the screening. Also everyone was bashing the song choice of the final fight. Guess who changed the song ? James Gunn. Here is straight the example of a bad decision he made. So whose to say his cut was better, whose to says all his other decisions didn't botch the movie further ? The scores are not reliable metric or The Flash would Godfather level masterpiece

I never alluded otherwise or said scores were the sole metric, I also never said the additions made were outright better either and am well aware Gunn chose the needle drop for the scene but im of the opinion anyways the scene didn't even need to happen in the way that it did to require a needle drop anyways, being built around that was a flaw in and of itself. So not really saying much of substance here.

You are telling me do research. Use your own brain. "No studio interference" now is just a marketing gimmick. That's a fact.

Well obviously? No one is gonna be given 100% freedom so what are we even going on about, thats why your initial reply taking that 100% seriously was very silly which is why I called it out.

Guess what. The Music and villain are considered the released movie's weaker points. According to the trade reports, the test audience data explicitly showed that Gillespie’s version scored significantly higher on song choices, pacing, and the villain.

Think about how insane that is. The released movie’s biggest critical failure points are the disjointed pacing, the underwritten villain, and those jarring, butchered needle drops like "The Middle." Gunn's team actively took a cut that had a better-received villain and better music, stripped those elements out, slapped in their own tone, and now the movie is a $100 million box office disaster.

As said above I already think building the scene around a licensed music track as a whole is a flaw in and of itself, with the direction of that final scene imo not even being the best way they could have shown off Kara dispatching of Krem's goons anyways so all around the execution of that scene was never a strongpoint.

I do agree in the specifc areas that Gillespie scored higher on those should have been kept in, never said otherwise either btw but in a ideal world we should have gotten the best mix of both worlds but like I said there were also never going to be dramatic reshoots or delays to fix any issues since they wanted to keep the budget lower than Supermans by a margin so we unfortunately would have never got the best product if the main problems still existed in either cut. Even with a better score and more screentime with Krem it doesn't take away from a lot of the more fatal flaws the movie still has

Don't put directors on Pedestals. It often leads to disappointment later down the line. Stick to powerscaling kid.

Also this bit it is highly unnecessary, if your feelings are hurt that's fine but not once did I glaze Gunn, say his product was better, or defend the studio to put them on a pedestal so waste of breath there but also the stick to powerscaling kid is crazy and reeks of middle school online gaming arguments, I'd refrain from that just because you're a bit upset doesn't mean resort to that lol. I think we're both too grown for you to be doing allat

 

[Dinobot1996]

 

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