Deltarune: Chapter 5 (SPOILER!!) Discussion Thread

[Comiphorous]

I think we're starting to reach with the “lots of assumptions” argument here, because it can be explained much more simply by saying that Ralsei is genuinely affected by it. Arguing otherwise doesn't really make sense either, especially when this entire segment is about him going against the rules as much as he can to reach Susie before talking to Flowery again.

If ralsei is genuinely affected by it, then it's still a really dog shit law manipulation on the angel's end since Ralsei just bypasses the puzzle anyways.

He goes to great lengths, like skipping the spike puzzle and outright destroying the box puzzle. Something he wouldn't do if he's completely this dull character that can only “listen to us” or “abide by the rules”, one could just say that he's genuinely being affected by it.

In this chapter alone Flowery literally mentions how Ralsei enjoys serving humans, (which Ralsei did not deny iirc) and Ralsei has displayed his fear toward us, the player. Him listening to us isn't a dull interpretation of his character to say he listens to the deity he prays to who he knows is planning on causing a great tragedy toward him.

Whether he is compelled to listen to us also isn't really relevant here, since we don't ask him to or not to do what he did.

He does bypass the situation, but only on his own terms by turning himself into a bridge. At no point is he shown controlling what the puzzle itself does. He clearly wants to keep progressing, but simply can't do anything else under those conditions.

Him turning himself into a bridge to bypass a puzzle is still breaking the rules of the puzzle. He is capable of breaking the rules in both scenes, so him being genuinely affected would mean said affect simply sucks.

Double edged sword. You either give The Angel really sucky law manipulation since people can just use technicalities to bypass it or just say **** off to it's control, or it does genuinely function completely and isn't buns law manipulation, but we've just never seen it actually function as intended ever against other characters, since the scenes previously mentioned still happened (potential menu)

Both interpretations are also equally silly and aren't combat applicable, since it’s a one-off showing of an ability.

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

If ralsei is genuinely affected by it, then it's still a really dog shit law manipulation on the angel's end since Ralsei just bypasses the puzzle anyways.

In this chapter alone Flowery literally mentions how Ralsei enjoys serving humans, (which Ralsei did not deny iirc) and Ralsei has displayed his fear toward us, the player. Him listening to us isn't a dull interpretation of his character to say he listens to the deity he prays to who he knows is planning on causing a great tragedy toward him.

Whether he is compelled to listen to us also isn't really relevant here, since we don't ask him to or not to do what he did.

Him turning himself into a bridge to bypass a puzzle is still breaking the rules of the puzzle. He is capable of breaking the rules in both scenes, so him being genuinely affected would mean said affect simply sucks.

Double edged sword. You either give The Angel really sucky law manipulation since people can just use technicalities to bypass it or just say **** off to it's control, or it does genuinely function completely and isn't buns law manipulation, but we've just never seen it actually function as intended ever against other characters, since the scenes previously mentioned still happened (potential menu)

Both interpretations are also equally silly and aren't combat applicable.

Imagine you cant **** it off due lack 4 wall awareness

 

[Comiphorous]

Imagine you cant **** it off due lack 4 wall awareness

What the **** does that mean, kobe bryant?

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

What the **** does that mean, kobe bryant?

It means people wouldnt understand what flowery doing like sans with the buttons damage

It also works due the whole thing with the battle ui and configuration menu

 

[Comiphorous]

It means people wouldnt understand what flowery doing like sans with the buttons damage

It also works due the whole thing with the battle ui and configuration menu

Yeah but everyone is aware of the menu. Ralsei, Flowery, Susie, and Kris are all well aware.

 

[Edutyn]

 

[Randomuser3412]

Does any enemy other than Flowery take their full-on turn before you do? I don't mean like Spamton NEO, who does an "attack" (not in the battle box, though) that you're forced to avoid to progress, I mean their full battle box turn

 

[Comiphorous]

Does any enemy other than Flowery take their full-on turn before you do? I don't mean like Spamton NEO, who does an "attack" (not in the battle box, though) that you're forced to avoid to progress, I mean their full battle box turn

Don’t think so. That stuck out to me. I believe he’s the first character to do an attack first before the player in the same way sans does.

Unlike sans though, I doubt he gets anything out of it. I think when fighting him again after losing you get your turn first again.

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Yeah but everyone is aware of the menu. Ralsei, Flowery, Susie, and Kris are all well aware.

Noelle is not that much aware tho and kris and enemy literaly needed to teach her how it works

Also kris and ralsei fully 4 awareness while susie just have enough to understand the system

 

[Comiphorous]

Noelle is not that much aware tho and kris and enemy literaly needed to teach her how it works

Good thing they taught her, so she does know. Now everyone knows!

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Good thing they taught her, so she does know. Now everyone knows!

I mean she knows

 

[Edutyn]

Any good matchups for Flowery?

 

[Psychomaster35]

Any good matchups for Flowery?

I've seen people request him to fight Homelander (The Boys) and King Orange (Animator vs. Animation), though I haven't come up with an idea myself

 

[LittleGuy99]

I've seen people request him to fight Homelander (The Boys)

Flowery stomps

 

[Randomuser3412]

and King Orange (Animator vs. Animation)

King Orange stomps

 

[Comiphorous]

Any good matchups for Flowery?

Too high tiered for any of the fun match ups

too low tiered for the goated match ups.

What a world.