Deltarune: Chapter 5 (SPOILER!!) Discussion Thread

[Omegabronic]

Might be a similar situation as this guy
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Ice-E?

 

[Randomuser3412]

So... who do you guys think is stronger: Kris or Ralsei?

Also... how many octopus dishes have you eaten in your life time? Cooking octopus with onions is... very, very common, here's 5 examples:

Interesting.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Ice-E?

I was moreso referring to the fact that we can keep taking pieces of him in the Geno route till becomes a puddle, yet those pieces still don't dust.

 

[Omegabronic]

Possible lyrics for Cutie Mew Mew Magic... either version kind of has... implications... about the Weird Route... that's... we- ahem... peculiar

 

[Omegabronic]

So... who do you guys think is stronger: Kris or Ralsei?

Interesting.

Ralsei... if he is trully holding back so much as to insta kill Flowery... yeah... also cuz i want to do a "Firegrave" route in Chapter 6

 

[Omegabronic]

I was moreso referring to the fact that we can keep taking pieces of him in the Geno route till becomes a puddle, yet those pieces still don't dust.

tbf we also don't know if the Snowman is a monster... so maybe Onion and him are... Cryptids? IDK they are we- ahem... peculiar

 

[Randomuser3412]

Ralsei... if he is trully holding back so much as to insta kill Flowery... yeah... also cuz i want to do a "Firegrave" route in Chapter 6

It should be pretty clear by now that Susie is the weakest Lancer Fan Club member. Ralsei's statement is pretty impressive, but I don't know if it's more impressive than being nearly even with the seven flower's power combined

 

[Omegabronic]

It should be pretty clear by now that Susie is the weakest Lancer Fan Club member. Ralsei's statement is pretty impressive, but I don't know if it's more impressive than being nearly even with the seven flower's power combined

also... Kris deals more damage than Susie against the Knight when the other two swoom... huh

 

[Randomuser3412]

also... Kris deals more damage than Susie against the Knight when the other two swoom... huh

Kris deals 3x their normal damage against Tenna on the Sword Route as well

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Spoiler

 

[Ghengiroo115]

So... who do you guys think is stronger: Kris or Ralsei?

If the “fake” stats do stuff then I’d definitely say Ralsei, given he can supposedly insta-kill Flowery with fake stats active and is also implied to be able to use fake stats himself. If not then Ralsei would have some cool abilities, but being able to insta-kill base Flowery isn’t that impressive in that case so I’d give it to Kris for being comparable to Omega Flowery.

Obviously I’m on team “fake stats aren’t literally fake”, so I’d personally give the win to Ralsei.

 

[Lou_change]

I mean Susie is probably the strongest in the light world still. Also doesn't she do really high damage when 1v1ing lancer look at violent chapter 1 play through until she calms down her damage keeps increasing and near the end she does triple damage a rude buster would probably end up with her even higher.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

some monsters in light world are highkey superhuman anyways

 

[Randomuser3412]

I mean Susie is probably the strongest in the light world still. Also doesn't she do really high damage when 1v1ing lancer look at violent chapter 1 play through until she calms down her damage keeps increasing and near the end she does triple damage a rude buster would probably end up with her even higher.

We can't really talk about the Light World and Ralsei in the same breath (piles of Asriel dust aren't known to be very able-to-fight). And to be honest, Susie doesn't necessarily have anything proving she's stronger than Kris in the Light World, does she? Kris makes no sort of attempt to fight back against her in Chapter 1 and they never have any other altercation.

 

[Forgettableusername]

I feel like a better reason than "it would make these guys a bit taller than how tall I think they should be," especially when nothing in the game seems to directly contradict this statement (other than assumptions of objects' sizes) is needed to dismiss an actual statement of height.

"It's okay, Kris! I'm short too!"

 

[Randomuser3412]

"It's okay, Kris! I'm short too!"

You're already presupposing that means "short for a human in the real world" which it does not necessarily mean

 

[Forgettableusername]

You're already presupposing that means "short for a human in the real world" which it does not necessarily mean

the alternative is assuming based on this one lyric that everything in the world of deltarune is like 50% larger than in real life for literally no reason

 

[Randomuser3412]

the alternative is assuming based on this one lyric that everything in the world of deltarune is like 50% larger than in real life for literally no reason

Listen, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. All I'm saying is that I've yet to see any concrete, non-vibe-based evidence that proves this line shouldn't be taken seriously be brought up

 

[Omegabronic]

If the “fake” stats do stuff then I’d definitely say Ralsei, given he can supposedly insta-kill Flowery with fake stats active and is also implied to be able to use fake stats himself. If not then Ralsei would have some cool abilities, but being able to insta-kill base Flowery isn’t that impressive in that case so I’d give it to Kris for being comparable to Omega Flowery.

Obviously I’m on team “fake stats aren’t literally fake”, so I’d personally give the win to Ralsei.

Actually, Base Flowery is said to be Yellow's "Sparring Partner" so he should scaled to the Delta Warriors

 

[Randomuser3412]

If Gaster's reaction to our appearance in the Shelter in the Weird Route isn't spitting out his coffee and saying "☝︎☜︎❄︎ ❄︎☟︎☜︎ 🕈︎︎☠︎☝︎ ⚐︎🕆︎❄︎ ⚐︎☞︎ ︎✡︎ ☼︎⚐︎⚐︎︎ ︎🕯︎︎ 🏱︎☹︎✌︎✡︎︎☠︎☝︎ ︎︎☠︎☜︎︎☼︎✌︎🏱︎," I may refund Deltarune

 

[Omegabronic]

If Gaster's reaction to our appearance in the Shelter in the Weird Route isn't spitting out his coffee and saying "☝︎☜︎❄︎ ❄︎☟︎☜︎ 🕈︎︎☠︎☝︎ ⚐︎🕆︎❄︎ ⚐︎☞︎ ︎✡︎ ☼︎⚐︎⚐︎︎ ︎🕯︎︎ 🏱︎☹︎✌︎✡︎︎☠︎☝︎ ︎︎☠︎☜︎︎☼︎✌︎🏱︎," I may refund Deltarune

✞︎☜︎☼︎✡︎ ✞︎☜︎☼︎✡︎ ︎☠︎❄︎☜︎☼︎☜︎︎❄︎︎☠︎☝︎

︎☼︎☜︎✌︎︎︎☠︎☝︎ ︎✡︎ ✂︎☝︎✌︎︎☜︎✂︎ 🕈︎︎☹︎☹︎ ✡︎⚐︎🕆︎✍︎

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☞︎🕆︎︎︎ ✡︎⚐︎🕆︎ ❄︎🕈︎⚐︎

🕿︎☝︎︎⬧︎⧫︎︎❒︎ ◻︎❒︎︎⬧︎︎⬧︎ ⧫︎︎︎ ■︎◆︎🙵︎ ︎◆︎⧫︎⧫︎□︎■︎✆︎

 

[RinneItachi]

I'm now contending between this and G-Man being my headcanon Gaster voice.

Spoiler: Weird Route Spoilers

 

[RinneItachi]

On that note someone said

Spoiler: WR Chapter 5

they can see Gaster's face in Noelle and Kris' sprites here and now I cannot unsee it.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Interestingly enough in my pacifist playthrough Susie adds Ralsei to the drawing (which seems to be triggered by Ralsei telling you the ice cream is from him in Ch4).

This is strange because the drawing in sans' lab only has 3 people on it.

Undertale only happens in the Weird Route, it seems.

Interesting.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

You're already presupposing that means "short for a human in the real world" which it does not necessarily mean

The term "short", "height" and anything communicated to the audience must be based on either established canon, or the audience's own understanding. The concept of height is never explored in the narrative, Kris is communicated to be a human, so the term short must be based on our understanding of a short person.

It is short for a human in the real world based on the simple Principle of Minimal Departure in writing.