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Demiurge (11eyes) vs Archie Sonic
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I'm thinking 'bout that precog rn
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Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2) can bypassed Regenerationn (Mid-Godly)
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Precognition.
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How likely is she to use Death/Memory Manipulation? Those could be problems for him.
While it isn't added just yet (though it was agreed upon), Sonic's own Fate Manip could come in handy here. Really handy, actually.
AP is a bit of a mix-up due to Archie 2-As being revised AP-wise, so I'll avoid talking on that.
Sonic could end this using a charged Chaos Control to make her Concept go poof, but I guess I'll wait to see what others think.
While it isn't added just yet (though it was agreed upon), Sonic's own Fate Manip could come in handy here. Really handy, actually.
AP is a bit of a mix-up due to Archie 2-As being revised AP-wise, so I'll avoid talking on that.
Sonic could end this using a charged Chaos Control to make her Concept go poof, but I guess I'll wait to see what others think.
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Memory manipulation is associated with mind manipulation which shouldn't be a problem for Sonic, but the death manipulation could be an issue.ShakeResounding said:
Demiurge's main thing is having really good precog.
AP wise Demiurge scales above a baseline, so Sonic has the AP by miles, though this is mainly a hax fight.
Celestial Pegasus knows a lot about Demiurge so he can step by.
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Sonic has no mid-godly regen nor acausality which prevents him from being fate haxed.
Demiurge sees the infinite possibilities for the future, understands everything about sonic, and fate haxes him.
Demiurge sees the infinite possibilities for the future, understands everything about sonic, and fate haxes him.
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Exactly what I was thinking. Demiurge FRA.
But it feels pretty stompish? What can Sonic do here?
But it feels pretty stompish? What can Sonic do here?
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Die a horrible death.Xtasyamphetamine said:
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How does her Existance Erasure work? Does it work like Enerjak's, or is it a sort of attack that could be avoided?
Not sure how useful it could be, but Sonic has Fate Manip of his own that could be useful here that everybody agreed upon. It just hasn't been added to the profile.
Not sure how useful it could be, but Sonic has Fate Manip of his own that could be useful here that everybody agreed upon. It just hasn't been added to the profile.
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Existence erasure isn't needed, Demiurge is basically a being who is an observer to all of time, while also existing outside of time.
She sees all the possibilities for the future, and chooses the one she wants, in another words she can decide what the future should be from the infinite possibilities.
So insane precog and fate hax, to which sonic has no answer to. In addition she has clairvoyance and insight which makes her know everything about her opponent.
She sees all the possibilities for the future, and chooses the one she wants, in another words she can decide what the future should be from the infinite possibilities.
So insane precog and fate hax, to which sonic has no answer to. In addition she has clairvoyance and insight which makes her know everything about her opponent.
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Huh... Wow.
So she always leads with it? Sonic always uses physical co frontation first, which would probably let him one-shot, but that seems useless here if she always leads with hax.
I'm not even sure if Sonic's own Fate Manip could pull him out of this one. I'll hold onto my vote for now, but depending on whether it could help him or not, I might go Inconclusive.
So she always leads with it? Sonic always uses physical co frontation first, which would probably let him one-shot, but that seems useless here if she always leads with hax.
I'm not even sure if Sonic's own Fate Manip could pull him out of this one. I'll hold onto my vote for now, but depending on whether it could help him or not, I might go Inconclusive.
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Her precog, clairvoyance and insight are always on, it's sort of a state of being.
Upon becoming god, Kukuri lost her existence in the world, and became what is unknowable to men, god, she also lost her place in time and sees all of time, and actually has to actively turn her sight away from the future so that the future won't become determined.
Upon becoming god, Kukuri lost her existence in the world, and became what is unknowable to men, god, she also lost her place in time and sees all of time, and actually has to actively turn her sight away from the future so that the future won't become determined.
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Not to derail, but she's from a graphic novel, right? Know any places I could read it?
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She is from a visual novel called 11eyes-Tsumi to Batsu to Aganai no Shoujo.
Lets just say if you search around on the net you can find places where you can download it.
Lets just say if you search around on the net you can find places where you can download it.
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Demiurge uses her precog, finds infinite possibilities of how to utterly screw this hedghog ober, and proceeds like usual
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Thanks.
So without anything to prevent her Fate Manip, I feel like this is a bit unfair. Sonic doesn't have the Acausality that the Chaos Force Beings do, and he doesn't have good regen either. He has AP advantage and Concept Manip to deal with her, but it's kinda useless when he can't even do anything against her in the first place...
Stomp, maybe? I'd say to change it to Chaos Knuckles, but knowing he has the Acausality as well as the regen to prevent it seems like a spite if we swapped them.
So without anything to prevent her Fate Manip, I feel like this is a bit unfair. Sonic doesn't have the Acausality that the Chaos Force Beings do, and he doesn't have good regen either. He has AP advantage and Concept Manip to deal with her, but it's kinda useless when he can't even do anything against her in the first place...
Stomp, maybe? I'd say to change it to Chaos Knuckles, but knowing he has the Acausality as well as the regen to prevent it seems like a spite if we swapped them.
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Stomp? I don't think so, it's just decisive. I can't put her up against the Chaos Force beings because they would stomp. Sonic was a much more fair option.
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Eh, fair enough. I think it'd be a little too convoluted to guess what would happen if their Fate Manips clashed, but I think the safest bet is obvious.
Demiurge FRA.
Funny to think Sonic is missing exactly what Chaos Knuckles has that would be needed to help him here. Womp wah.
Demiurge FRA.
Funny to think Sonic is missing exactly what Chaos Knuckles has that would be needed to help him here. Womp wah.
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Chaos Force beings have abstract existence and type 4 acausality, something that Sonic lacks. Demiurge can't handle those.
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Demiurge FRa
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Demiurge is in a weird position where she can beat decent 2-As but gets stomped by really haxed ones like Homura, Bolas, DnD ones, etc
@Shadow what type of Abstract Existence?
@Shadow what type of Abstract Existence?
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It's type 1. It hasn't been added yet to their profiles but it was accepted.
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@Shadow What type of abstractions are they? Ideas, concepts?
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They are one with the Chaos Force, which everything in the Archie Sonic verse is a part of. I made a blog about it as well.
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Yea Demiurge doesn't have the concept hax to even affect them then.
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Which is why Sonic is a fairer opponent.
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Yup, just hoping Demiurge shows up in 11 eyes sequel and gets some concept hax, assuming it ever gets translated...
It's like how i i'm still waiting on ourai no gahkthuns sequel to be translated, so i can see chutulu with salt hax and spear hax which destroys concepts, though sadly instead of golden king he would probably be the one spammed, since nobody ever shows any love for tesla.
Anyway seems this match only needs 1 more vote.
It's like how i i'm still waiting on ourai no gahkthuns sequel to be translated, so i can see chutulu with salt hax and spear hax which destroys concepts, though sadly instead of golden king he would probably be the one spammed, since nobody ever shows any love for tesla.
Anyway seems this match only needs 1 more vote.
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SMT for reason above.
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If you think that's bad then you should've seen the Archie Sonic profiles just a couple of months ago. They had very little hax and nothing that could bypass even Low-Godly Regenerationn. Demiurge would've solo'd the verse before the revisions lol.
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Demiurge FRA
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How come Sonic doesn't have that?
Because those are higher-dimensional beings that have ascended to a higher state of existence. Sonic is a 3D being with 4D powers.
Because those are higher-dimensional beings that have ascended to a higher state of existence. Sonic is a 3D being with 4D powers.
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Yes.
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Game over, Sonic.
This can be added instantly now.
This can be added instantly now.
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