Demon King creation new time frame

[Demon_Lord18]

In this thread, the DW calculation was removed due to lack of evidence that the dimension had been created within the 20 years established in the calculation. However, after rereading the manga, I found elements suggesting that the creation happened very quickly, and the narrator’s statement that it occurred in a short time supports this.
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according to Meliodas, the gods can’t remain in the world for long. We can see this when the Supreme Deity arrives on Earth and the sky immediately darkens, and also when the gods go to punish Meliodas it’s possible to see that a storm is taking place. When Meliodas awakened his Demon King power, Meliodas said that he couldn’t stay in the mortal world. During the fight between Meliodas and the DK in his mind, the DK states that Meliodas wouldn’t be able to remain in the human world for another day which makes sense, since natural disasters began occurring all over Britannia just a few hours later.​

Therefore, we should use 1 day as the maximum timeframe for the creation of the Demon World, since that was Meliodas’s deadline on Earth. We know that a few hours were needed for the disasters to begin, so it’s possible that the DK created the world in just a few hours.

Here is the new version of the calculation, using 1 day as the timeframe.
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Agree:​

Qawsedf234​

Vietthai96​

DarkDragonMedeus​

Disagree:​

Neutral:​

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[Bossbrosish]

Honestly, this seems reasonable even to me, but I'll see what the mods and Damage would say about this.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Honestly, this seems reasonable even to me, but I'll see what the mods and Damage would say about this.

Mods don’t have voting power here, only CGMs do.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Mods don’t have voting power here, only CGMs do.

I'm aware, just felt like saying I agree

 

[Vietthai96]

Moved

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Moved

Thank you

 

[Qawsedf234]

The main issue I see is that you link the following calc

Using Kep's calculation basis for the distance between the average star distance that the human eye can see couple with the average numbers of stars which the human eye can see on a clear sky which is around 2500 along with the average star size:

7 stars in no way equals 2,500 stars, especially since the size of the realm is based on the further visible star under normal Earth conditions.

Something like Alpha-Centuari to Earth would probably be better for this assumption.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

The main issue I see is that you kink the following calc

7 stars in no way equals 2,500 stars, especially since the size of the realm is based on the further visible star under normal Earth conditions.

Something like Alpha-Centuari to Earth would probably be better for this assumption.

The demon world is said to resemble Arthur's dimension, which has a starry sky.I believe those sixs stars are just the minimum we would have — I don't think that's the limit.

Alpha Centauri is the closest star system to ours. It would be fair to include at least up to the sixsth closest star.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

The main issue I see is that you link the following calc

7 stars in no way equals 2,500 stars, especially since the size of the realm is based on the further visible star under normal Earth conditions.

Something like Alpha-Centuari to Earth would probably be better for this assumption.

I updated using Alpa Centauri. Do you agree with the deadline?

 

[Qawsedf234]

The demon world is said to resemble Arthur's dimension, which has a starry sky.I believe those sixs stars are just the minimum we would have — I don't think that's the limit.

The image you linked says "But Arthur's Chaos Power created a new 'Eternal Kingdom' in a seperate dimension from this one... much like the Fairy and Demon Realms".

This is not saying that the Demon Realm = Arthur's Realm. This is saying that lile the Demon Realm, Arthur's realm is in a different dimension. It's similar to saying "Bob was born in Cuba, an island like Greenland or Britain". The phrase isn't saying they're the same size, but that they represent the same geological classification.

updated using Alpa Centauri. Do you agree with the deadline?

Yeah I'm fine with it. For scaling as long as the 7DS magic is a UES I'm also fine with it being an AP ratings unless there's some scaling issue.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Yeah I'm fine with it. For scaling as long as the 7DS magic is a UES I'm also fine with it being an AP ratings unless there's some scaling issue.

Ok, we already have a UES for them.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Ok, we already have a UES for them.

Not to derail or anything, but could I see the thread or wherever the UES of NNT was discussed? I want to learn more about it since I'm watching the anime now.

 

[karo_senpaii]

In this thread, the DW calculation was removed due to lack of evidence that the dimension had been created within the 20 years established in the calculation. However, after rereading the manga, I found elements suggesting that the creation happened very quickly, and the narrator’s statement that it occurred in a short time supports this.



Therefore, we should use 1 day as the maximum timeframe for the creation of the Demon World, since that was Meliodas’s deadline on Earth. We know that a few hours were needed for the disasters to begin, so it’s possible that the DK created the world in just a few hours.

Here is the new version of the calculation, using 1 day as the timeframe.
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Agree:​

Qawsedf234​

Disagree:​

Neutral:​

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I don't think it's enough reasoning to say this happened under a day. Too many assumptions here.
1. You're assuming the deities had to stay on earth. Chaos created the whole world, there's a lot of places for them to be and not necessarily on earth.

2. The creation of giants and humans which are the inhabitants of earth happened after the realms were created. This begs the question if earth was even existing in the first place prior to that.

3. The world rejecting the demon king is not just due to sheer power but implied to be because of some sort of balance that the 3 realms hold, considering there was no separation prior and it was just one big world , there is no reason for the world to be rejecting them. Chaos created the world and those are his kids. He can't just create them and then the world he created starts rejecting them. Besides chaos himself is there and his presence wasn't threatening to destroy everything.
A 4KOA Mel is superior to the demon king yet the world isn't rejecting him..it's most likely due to balance that the whole rejection happened.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I don't think it's enough reasoning to say this happened under a day. Too many assumptions here.

You say I’m making too many assumptions, but you’re making a lot of nonsensical ones yourself.

1. You're assuming the deities had to stay on earth. Chaos created the whole world, there's a lot of places for them to be and not necessarily on earth.

Where else would they be if not on Earth? We literally see them on Earth, so it’s clear that’s where they are.

The creation of giants and humans which are the inhabitants of earth happened after the realms were created. This begs the question if earth was even existing in the first place prior to that.

Man, what is this? Do you realize how absurd what you’re saying is? The Earth existed even before the gods themselves — it wasn’t created only when humans appeared; it had already existed long before that.

3. The world rejecting the demon king is not just due to sheer power but implied to be because of some sort of balance that the 3 realms hold, considering there was no separation prior and it was just one big world , there is no reason for the world to be rejecting them.

You're claiming that Earth initially didn't reject the existence of the gods, but that — magically — after they created their realms the Earth began to reject them. That doesn't make sense; you're simply making things up.

Chaos created the world and those are his kids. He can't just create them and then the world he created starts rejecting them. Besides chaos himself is there and his presence wasn't threatening to destroy everything.

That’s funny, because the manga clearly shows that yes, the Earth does reject them — so your arguments are actually refuted by what’s presented in the story itself. There’s a fact: the deities can’t stay on Earth for more than one day, as stated by one of the gods themselves. So your assumptions are baseless.

A 4KOA Mel is superior to the demon king yet the world isn't rejecting him..it's most likely due to balance that the whole rejection happened.

Meliodas lost his Demon King form. It’s not just about being powerful that the world rejects the deities

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Moved

Could we get your opinion here?

 

[Vietthai96]

I have the same opinion as Qawsedf234

 

[Kaydee1648]

Where else would they be if not on Earth? We literally see them on Earth, so it’s clear that’s where they are.

why is the image linked necessarily earth?
we see a rocky area but that’s about it, which of course, doesn’t have to be necessarily earth.

 

[Jey-kun52]

why is the image linked necessarily earth?
we see a rocky area but that’s about it, which of course, doesn’t have to be necessarily earth.

When the gods were created, where could they reside when there was no other structure than the world?

 

[Majinere566]

why is the image linked necessarily earth?
we see a rocky area but that’s about it, which of course, doesn’t have to be necessarily earth.

No other settings in the verse that predates earth? It’s also literally there explained chronologically.

1. Chaos created the world

2. He then creates the Deities

Why would he go to an unknown site?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Qawsed makes sense.

 

[Kaydee1648]

No other settings in the verse that predates earth? It’s also literally there explained chronologically.

1. Chaos created the world

2. He then creates the Deities

Why would he go to an unknown site?

Ok
another assumption is that he created the entirety of said dimension before moving there. Does anything indicate that he did such? Because he could have just created a planet then create the rest of the dimension overtime for all we know.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

another assumption is that he created the entirety of said dimension before moving there. Does anything indicate that he did such?

The Lady of the Lake’s quote kind of implies that.

 

[Majinere566]

Ok
another assumption is that he created the entirety of said dimension before moving there. Does anything indicate that he did such? Because he could have just created a planet then create the rest of the dimension overtime for all we know.

Well if he was still creating the demon realm The Lady of the lake would use “Creating” instead of “Created”

 

[Imaginym]

I have the same opinion as Qawsedf234

Qawsed makes sense.

Then this threads' matters are wholely concluded & it can be closed? (Despite the apparent present debate.)

 

[Bossbrosish]

Then this threads' matters are wholely concluded & it can be closed? (Despite the apparent present debate.)

Doesn't the calc also have to be reevaluated since it was changed to use alpha centauri?

 

[Imaginym]

Doesn't the calc also have to be reevaluated since it was changed to use alpha centauri?

I was unaware of this. If it is so, I did not know. I was asked by the opening poster about this thread, & I generally do not keep up with Nanatsu no Taizai.
Hence, my earlier post in here asking if this thread if it is resolved, as I am not certain if it is.

I do apologize for any disturbance, problem &/or bother, all.

 

[Bossbrosish]

I was unaware of this. If it is so, I did not know. I was asked by the opening poster about this thread, & I generally do not keep up with Nanatsu no Taizai.
Hence, my earlier post in here asking if this thread if it is resolved, as I am not certain if it is.

I do apologize for any disturbance, problem &/or bother, all.

It's quite alright. Qawsed mentioned using alpha centauri instead and Demon_Lord updated the calc to do so, so it'd need to be reevaluated again since it's using a new variable.

 

[Jey-kun52]

It's quite alright. Qawsed mentioned using alpha centauri instead and Demon_Lord updated the calc to do so, so it'd need to be reevaluated again since it's using a new variable.

Is this necessary since the other two admins stated that they agree with Qawsed? Arent they accepting the Alpha Centauri end?

 

[Bossbrosish]

Is this necessary since the other two admins stated that they agree with Qawsed? Arent they accepting the Alpha Centauri end?

I don't think so? I think it only counts if the calc was evaluated by calc staff. Since it was changed to alpha centauri, it'd need to be reevaluated again before admins can agree to it. That's what I think at least.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Doesn't the calc also have to be reevaluated since it was changed to use alpha centauri?

Damn, I hope it doesn’t take an eternity for this to be re-evaluated.

 

[Bossbrosish]

I was unaware of this. If it is so, I did not know. I was asked by the opening poster about this thread, & I generally do not keep up with Nanatsu no Taizai.
Hence, my earlier post in here asking if this thread if it is resolved, as I am not certain if it is.

I do apologize for any disturbance, problem &/or bother, all.

Here is the new version of the calculation, using 1 day as the timeframe.

Could you @ some calc members to reevaluate the calculation? That'd be great and helpful.

 

[Makai641001]

Ok
another assumption is that he created the entirety of said dimension before moving there. Does anything indicate that he did such? Because he could have just created a planet then create the rest of the dimension overtime for all we know.

The novel uses « had created » not that he still is creating LOTL also states that the creations were over.

 

[Damage3245]

I provided an evaluation for the calculation.

I don't necessarily approve for how this is going to potentially affect the scaling and ratings of the characters, but the calc is using the correct formula and values.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I provided an evaluation for the calculation.

I don't necessarily approve for how this is going to potentially affect the scaling and ratings of the characters, but the calc is using the correct formula and values.

With the calculation evaluated and the grace period already reached, can this be applied?

 

[Damage3245]

With the calculation evaluated and the grace period already reached, can this be applied?

Depends on what you mean; can the calc be added to the verse page? Sure.

But the OP doesn't contain any information about what profiles would be affected by this or what ratings would change.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Depends on what you mean; can the calc be added to the verse page? Sure.

But the OP doesn't contain any information about what profiles would be affected by this or what ratings would change.

The verse’s ratings return to how they were before the calculation was removed.


With the current scaling, all the Commandments, Sins, Archangels, and some other characters are affected.

 

[Bossbrosish]

With the current scaling, all the Commandments, Sins, Archangels, and some other characters are affected.

Should the affected characters be listed for the mods that aggree with the changes to know who's being affected?

 

[Makai641001]

Should the affected characters be listed for the mods that aggree with the changes to know who's being affected?

The scaling is the exact same as the previous accepted one

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Should the affected characters be listed for the mods that aggree with the changes to know who's being affected?

If I remember correctly, this is only mandatory for Marvel and DC, since the profiles come from different comics. Therefore, the absence of the list could result in outdated profiles.

 

[Bossbrosish]

The scaling is the exact same as the previous accepted one

Out of curiosity, would the notes section in the calculations be updated to accommodate the changes?