Demon Slayer Mark

[Aytugsss]

I do not find it correct that the Demon Slayer mark gives a 10x speed amplification because it creates contradictions.
-The first contradiction is that, according to VSB, Sanemi Shinazugawa would have a 10x speed gap over Giyuu, Muichiro, and Obanai.
The contradiction here comes from both HTA and SCA.
During HTA, Sanemi, Obanai, and Muichiro train together. After this training, Sanemi states that the training was intense and that if they lose focus even for one second, they could injure each other. Immediately after, Obanai says, “Otherwise, this training would have no meaning.”
Afterward, we see that Muichiro gets injured during the training.
The reason I mention these is because some assume that the Hashira were holding back during training, but here we see the opposite.https://ibb.co/sv5rmVyn

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– Then Sanemi engages in a clash with Giyuu, and it is clearly shown that Sanemi is serious during this clash, and the fight ends in a draw.
https://ibb.co/RGqfqPb8
i want to say that Sanemi, Obanai, Giyuu, and Muichiro, even if not equal to each other, are close in speed and that there is at least not a 10x difference between them.
– When we take these into account, we see that base Sanemi enduring more against Kokushibo than marked Muichiro is also contradictory to a 10x amplification.
– In fact, in the manga, Sanemi states that Muichiro lost due to inexperience, which also indicates that Sanemi was not 10x faster than him.https://ibb.co/8gc6sf51
– As for SCA, there is no feat showing that Sanemi is 10x faster than Giyuu and Obanai. It can even be argued that Giyuu and Obanai performed better than Sanemi.
-Another contradiction appears in the Akaza fight.
In base form, Giyuu was superior to marked Tanjiro. In fact, even without using his full power, he did not directly take damage from Akaza. But even though he was above Tanjiro while in base, after activating his mark, Tanjiro was still able to follow the fight.
This seems illogical to me because I think a 10x speed difference would be enough to speedblitz someone, and it also does not seem correct to me that Akaza could instantly adapt to that speed increase.

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– I’m not sure if this can be fully accepted as a contradiction, but in my opinion, another contradiction appears in the Muzan fight.
Even in base form, Obanai was able to land hits on Muzan. After cutting him, he was even fast enough to kick his arm and slow down his regeneration.
However, after activating his mark, while we would expect him to react much more comfortably, we still do not observe a major speed increase. In my opinion, a 10x speed increase would be extremely noticeable.

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-Taking these into consideration, I think that the stated increase in the databook is simply an exaggerated expression.

 

[Qurbonboev]

This looks better. You should contact staff for evaluation (write in their profiles). And also write about it in CRT promotion thread

 

[Epyriel]

I do not find it correct that the Demon Slayer mark gives a 10x speed amplification because it creates contradictions.
-The first contradiction is that, according to VSB, Sanemi Shinazugawa would have a 10x speed gap over Giyuu, Muichiro, and Obanai.

HTA Sanemi is currently listed as an equal in speed to Base Giyu, Base Muichiro and Base Obanai.

– I’m not sure if this can be fully accepted as a contradiction, but in my opinion, another contradiction appears in the Muzan fight.
Even in base form, Obanai was able to land hits on Muzan. After cutting him, he was even fast enough to kick his arm and slow down his regeneration.
However, after activating his mark, while we would expect him to react much more comfortably, we still do not observe a major speed increase. In my opinion, a 10x speed increase would be extremely noticeable.

I don’t think this is a contradiction.

In base form, Obanai is the least injured out of anybody but still bemoans the fact that he is accomplishing the least out of anybody, and struggles to get a clean shot at Muzan while avoiding retaliation even with the help of other’s distracting him.

Once he unlocks the mark, Muzan clearly struggles to react to his attacks and Obanai is able to get in close to do some more serious damage without struggling to evade retaliation like before.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

-The first contradiction is that, according to VSB, Sanemi Shinazugawa would have a 10x speed gap over Giyuu, Muichiro, and Obanai.
The contradiction here comes from both HTA and SCA.
During HTA, Sanemi, Obanai, and Muichiro train together. After this training, Sanemi states that the training was intense and that if they lose focus even for one second, they could injure each other. Immediately after, Obanai says, “Otherwise, this training would have no meaning.”
Afterward, we see that Muichiro gets injured during the training.
The reason I mention these is because some assume that the Hashira were holding back during training, but here we see the opposite.https://ibb.co/sv5rmVyn

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– Then Sanemi engages in a clash with Giyuu, and it is clearly shown that Sanemi is serious during this clash, and the fight ends in a draw.
https://ibb.co/RGqfqPb8
i want to say that Sanemi, Obanai, Giyuu, and Muichiro, even if not equal to each other, are close in speed and that there is at least not a 10x difference between them.
– When we take these into account, we see that base Sanemi enduring more against Kokushibo than marked Muichiro is also contradictory to a 10x amplification.
– In fact, in the manga, Sanemi states that Muichiro lost due to inexperience, which also indicates that Sanemi was not 10x faster than him.https://ibb.co/8gc6sf51

What is the contradiction. We scale Base Obanai and Base Sanemi to the same stats as Base Muichiro for the HTA arc.

In the Infinity Fortress Arc, Marked Muichiro performed the worst compared to Obanai and Sanemi. Marked Muichiro himself got blitzed and one shotted into a wall by Kokushibo while Base Sanemi kept up with Kokushibo.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

– As for SCA, there is no feat showing that Sanemi is 10x faster than Giyuu and Obanai. It can even be argued that Giyuu and Obanai performed better than Sanemi.

No they did not. I dont know why this is a contradiction either and not just a buff for Giyu and Obanai

"I propose Giyu and Obanai scales to Sanemi's because"

In base form, Giyuu was superior to marked Tanjiro. In fact, even without using his full power, he did not directly take damage from Akaza. But even though he was above Tanjiro while in base, after activating his mark, Tanjiro was still able to follow the fight.

No he did not. Giyu and Akaza were like several kilometers away from Tanjiro in some random part of the fortress for most of that entire fight while Tanjiro struggles to reach them and have zero idea where they even went.

This seems illogical to me because I think a 10x speed difference would be enough to speedblitz someone

Because it is a speed blitz?
(Muichiro utilizes pure speed. He statued Gyokko and he didn't even realize he got decapitated)

You know how insane it is to argue that the Mark isn't a blitz amp.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

and it also does not seem correct to me that Akaza could instantly adapt to that speed increase.

Akaza held back against Giyu and Tanjiro almost the entirety of the fight. Akaza was "almost" serious against Marked Giyu as shown with Red BDA Shockwaves and truly serious against Selfless State Tanjiro who was purposely trying to kill him. (Akaza with speed bypassed Dead Calm). Deadass all this just means is that he was always this fast the entire time (something we been accepting)

 

[Robo432343]

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[Aytugsss]

What is the contradiction. We scale Base Obanai and Base Sanemi to the same stats as Base Muichiro for the HTA arc.

In the Infinity Fortress Arc, Marked Muichiro performed the worst compared to Obanai and Sanemi. Marked Muichiro himself got blitzed and one shotted into a wall by Kokushibo while Base Sanemi kept up with Kokushibo.

Demek istedigim şu base muichiro hta da sanemi ile yakin gucte iken 10 x aml

HTA Sanemi is currently listed as an equal in speed to Base Giyu, Base Muichiro and Base Obanai.


I don’t think this is a contradiction.

In base form, Obanai is the least injured out of anybody but still bemoans the fact that he is accomplishing the least out of anybody, and struggles to get a clean shot at Muzan while avoiding retaliation even with the help of other’s distracting him.

Once he unlocks the mark, Muzan clearly struggles to react to his attacks and Obanai is able to get in close to do some more serious damage without struggling to evade retaliation like before.

I compared Obanai Iguro with himself, not with the others, and all the attacks he landed on Muzan Kibutsuji were off-guard. Sanemi Shinazugawa dealt damage in a similar way as well.

 

[Aytugsss]

What is the contradiction. We scale Base Obanai and Base Sanemi to the same stats as Base Muichiro for the HTA arc.

In the Infinity Fortress Arc, Marked Muichiro performed the worst compared to Obanai and Sanemi. Marked Muichiro himself got blitzed and one shotted into a wall by Kokushibo while Base Sanemi kept up with Kokushibo.

İts the contradiction because
Muichiro and sanemi are close to each other in hta but muichiro with 10 x amp weaker than sanemi

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

İts the contradiction because
Muichiro and sanemi are close to each other in hta but muichiro with 10 x amp weaker than sanemi

You're literally saying words for the sake of saying words.

At no point on the profiles has Marked Muichiro 10x weaker than Base Sanemi in the Hashira Training arc.

 

[Aytugsss]

What is the contradiction. We scale Base Obanai and Base Sanemi to the same stats as Base Muichiro for the HTA arc.

In the Infinity Fortress Arc, Marked Muichiro performed the worst compared to Obanai and Sanemi. Marked Muichiro himself got blitzed and one shotted into a wall by Kokushibo while Base Sanemi kept up with Kokushibo.

Demek istedigim şu base muichiro hta da sanemi ile yakin gucte iken 10 x aml

No they did not. I dont know why this is a contradiction either and not just a buff for Giyu and Obanai

"I propose Giyu and Obanai scales to Sanemi's because"


No he did not. Giyu and Akaza were like several kilometers away from Tanjiro in some random part of the fortress for most of that entire fight while Tanjiro struggles to reach them and have zero idea where they even went.


Because it is a speed blitz?
(Muichiro utilizes pure speed. He statued Gyokko and he didn't even realize he got decapitated)

You know how insane it is to argue that the Mark isn't a blitz amp.

First one is a contradiction for vsb
Second one is tanjiro clearly follow their movement in the panels
The last is different situation

 

[Aytugsss]

You're literally saying words for the sake of saying words.

At no point on the profiles has Marked Muichiro 10x weaker than Base Sanemi in the Hashira Training arc.

You understand me wrong
İ said hta muichiro and sanemi is close but marked muichiro wich is 10 x amp is weaker than base sanemi

 

[Aytugsss]

Akaza held back against Giyu and Tanjiro almost the entirety of the fight. Akaza was "almost" serious against Marked Giyu as shown with Red BDA Shockwaves and truly serious against Selfless State Tanjiro who was purposely trying to kill him. (Akaza with speed bypassed Dead Calm). Deadass all this just means is that he was always this fast the entire time (something we been accepting)

İ dont think akaza hold back 10 x
Because akaza was angry at the tanjiro and attack him while angry and tanjiro just dodges his attacks
And giyuu already faster than marked tanjiro but when its comes to marled giyuu akaza adapt his speed instandly

 

[Aytugsss]

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What ?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

You understand me wrong
İ said hta muichiro and sanemi is close but marked muichiro wich is 10 x amp is weaker than base sanemi

Again you're saying words for the sake of saying words trying to improvise on the spot to make it seem like you have an argument.

First one is a contradiction for vsb

What does this even mean???

Second one is tanjiro clearly follow their movement in the panels

No he can't. Mark is an entire blitz amp shown previous times. Tanjiro several minutes prior could barely keep up with a casual Akaza, let alone the one fighting Marked Giyu.

The last is different situation

And it's different because vibes, right? The situation isn't even different.

İ dont think akaza hold back 10 x
Because akaza was angry at the tanjiro and attack him while angry and tanjiro just dodges his attacks

Hes been holding back the entire time dude. If he truly wanted to kill them on the spot he would've done it ages ago (Easily broke Giyu's sword when he wanted to end the fight)

Legit the only time he was truly serious

Give me a good reason why Akaza didn't just do this instantly the moment he saw Tanjiro and only did it the moment Tanjiro was a legitimate threat to him.

And giyuu already faster than marked tanjiro but when its comes to marled giyuu akaza adapt his speed instandly

Akaza was always that fast. He simply held back.

 

[Epyriel]

I compared Obanai Iguro with himself, not with the others, and all the attacks he landed on Muzan Kibutsuji were off-guard. Sanemi Shinazugawa dealt damage in a similar way as well.

As did I. It is more accurate to say all the attacks Obanai landed in base were off-guard (the attack you linked of him landing a blow to one of Muzan’s whips in base was done in conjunction with Sanemi drawing Muzan’s attacks) and yet he still struggled to avoid reprisal (despite going for Muzan’s whip instead of his body).

This goes along with the fact that Base Obanai explicitly states that Muzan was too fast for himself + Giyu + Mitsuri even together. And he also needs to be saved by others. Twice.

Meanwhile when Marked he repeatedly goes all in in strikes against Muzan’s body without close coordination with other Hashira unlike before. This includes blitzing straight through Muzan’s guard from the front. So unlikely to simply be a matter of Muzan being “off-guard”.

 

[Aytugsss]

Again you're saying words for the sake of saying words trying to improvise on the spot to make it seem like you have an argument.

What does this even mean???

No he can't. Mark is an entire blitz amp shown previous times. Tanjiro several minutes prior could barely keep up with a casual Akaza, let alone the one fighting Marked Giyu.

And it's different because vibes, right? The situation isn't even different.

Hes been holding back the entire time dude. If he truly wanted to kill them on the spot he would've done it ages ago (Easily broke Giyu's sword when he wanted to end the fight)

Legit the only time he was truly serious

Give me a good reason why Akaza didn't just do this instantly the moment he saw Tanjiro



Akaza was always that fast. He simply held back.

As did I. It is more accurate to say all the attacks Obanai landed in base were off-guard (the attack you linked of him landing a blow to one of Muzan’s whips in base was done in conjunction with Sanemi drawing Muzan’s attacks) and yet he still struggled to avoid reprisal (despite going for Muzan’s whip instead of his body).

This goes along with the fact that Base Obanai explicitly states that Muzan was too fast for himself + Giyu + Mitsuri even together. And he also needs to be saved by others. Twice.

Meanwhile when Marked he repeatedly goes all in in strikes against Muzan’s body without close coordination with other Hashira unlike before. This includes blitzing straight through Muzan’s guard from the front. So unlikely to simply be a matter of Muzan being “off-guard”.

No no i said marked obanais attacks are offguards

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

İ dont think akaza hold back 10 x
Because akaza was angry at the tanjiro and attack him while angry and tanjiro just dodges his attacks
And giyuu already faster than marked tanjiro but when its comes to marled giyuu akaza adapt his speed instandly

What you said proves that Akaza wasn't taking Tanjiro seriously. When Tomioka re-enters the fight, amplified by the DSM, Akaza only increases his speed and starts fighting Tomioka. And even then, when Giyu had already used all the forms he had, Akaza would have easily ended the fight by impaling him because he had nothing more to offer him.

Being annoyed or bothered doesn't mean you're going to fight seriously. When Kanao says Douma shouldn't exist, he appears behind her and cuts her; if he wanted, the fight could have ended there, but it didn't. When Gyomei says there was a hunter capable of surpassing 25 years of age to reach Kokushibou, he could have used the Long Sword, but he only advanced. The Three Moons don't fight seriously unless it's necessary for their survival or they no longer want to fight.

 

[AyOgUyS]

-The first contradiction is that, according to VSB, Sanemi Shinazugawa would have a 10x speed gap over Giyuu, Muichiro, and Obanai.
The contradiction here comes from both HTA and SCA.
During HTA, Sanemi, Obanai, and Muichiro train together. After this training, Sanemi states that the training was intense and that if they lose focus even for one second, they could injure each other. Immediately after, Obanai says, “Otherwise, this training would have no meaning.”

i want to say that Sanemi, Obanai, Giyuu, and Muichiro, even if not equal to each other, are close in speed and that there is at least not a 10x difference between them.
– When we take these into account, we see that base Sanemi enduring more against Kokushibo than marked Muichiro is also contradictory to a 10x amplification.
– In fact, in the manga, Sanemi states that Muichiro lost due to inexperience, which also indicates that Sanemi was not 10x faster than him.

Wait guys hear me out: what if...Sanemi just got faster in Infinity Castle?!??!?!??!?!?!?!

-Another contradiction appears in the Akaza fight.
In base form, Giyuu was superior to marked Tanjiro. In fact, even without using his full power, he did not directly take damage from Akaza. But even though he was above Tanjiro while in base, after activating his mark, Tanjiro was still able to follow the fight.
This seems illogical to me because I think a 10x speed difference would be enough to speedblitz someone, and it also does not seem correct to me that Akaza could instantly adapt to that speed increase.

guys...what if...Akaza was just HOLDING BACK HIS SPEED CUZ HE WANTED TO SEE GIYU'S AMAZING BREATHING FORMS?!?!?!

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

– When we take these into account, we see that base Sanemi enduring more against Kokushibo than marked Muichiro is also contradictory to a 10x amplification.
– In fact, in the manga, Sanemi states that Muichiro lost due to inexperience, which also indicates that Sanemi was not 10x faster than him.https://ibb.co/8gc6sf51

Or Kokushibou fought more seriously against Tokito than against Sanemi.

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

What even is the point of this bro there is a future thread that will come out for it anyways

I do not find it correct that the Demon Slayer mark gives a 10x speed amplification because it creates contradictions.
-The first contradiction is that, according to VSB, Sanemi Shinazugawa would have a 10x speed gap over Giyuu, Muichiro, and Obanai.
The contradiction here comes from both HTA and SCA.

Sanemi, Giyu and Obanai are listed as equals (with Obanai being debatable) Muichiro however is explicitly that much slower if not way more by showings alone, even when marked.

There isn't anything that would negate that notion in the series.

During HTA, Sanemi, Obanai, and Muichiro train together. After this training, Sanemi states that the training was intense and that if they lose focus even for one second, they could injure each other. Immediately after, Obanai says, “Otherwise, this training would have no meaning.”

They seem to have the same stats within the HTA, this was also the result of a sparring match and we have no idea how serious they were being with Muichiro either.

This is not withstanding Muichiro's frankly abysmal showings in the IC when fighting with Kokushibo, no matter how you want to put it, base Sanemi objectively stat checks marked Muichiro, and not by a small margin either.

Afterward, we see that Muichiro gets injured during the training.
The reason I mention these is because some assume that the Hashira were holding back during training, but here we see the opposite.https://ibb.co/sv5rmVyn

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– Then Sanemi engages in a clash with Giyuu, and it is clearly shown that Sanemi is serious during this clash, and the fight ends in a draw.
https://ibb.co/RGqfqPb8

Yeah, their profile has them as equals in terms of stats, nothing in the series shows they're not.

i want to say that Sanemi, Obanai, Giyuu, and Muichiro, even if not equal to each other, are close in speed and that there is at least not a 10x difference between them.
– When we take these into account, we see that base Sanemi enduring more against Kokushibo than marked Muichiro is also contradictory to a 10x amplification.
– In fact, in the manga, Sanemi states that Muichiro lost due to inexperience, which also indicates that Sanemi was not 10x faster than him.https://ibb.co/8gc6sf51

There is legit no way anyone can see that fight and think to themselves.

Muichiro was unambiguously blitzed even after his mark appears and while he was using the move that blitzed uppermoon 5, and as i stated his sword gets inches away from Kokushibo's neck before kokushibo completely disappears and reappears behind him, muichiro then says that his speed is in another dimension, he then goes for another attack only for Kokushibo to grab his blade and impale him on it, there's no world in which that doesn't require Kokushibo to massively outspeed him, senses have nothing to do with this, no matter how well muichiro's senses were, he can never even hope to keep up with kokushibo's attacks

and no, as i said prior, sanemi does not state he would have ended up like muichiro had he not had as much experience as he currently did, he says that he would have been unable to defend himself due to the chaos and randomness of the attacks.

it's good to note that Kokushibo didn't even use Breath of the Moon to impale muichiro, he just used his speed, sanemi performs overhwelmingly better, and fights for a while even as Kokushibo was increasing his speed, the latter was even surprised that he's still keeping up, altough at that point Sanemi couldn't even blink

– As for SCA, there is no feat showing that Sanemi is 10x faster than Giyuu and Obanai. It can even be argued that Giyuu and Obanai performed better than Sanemi.
-Another contradiction appears in the Akaza fight.

The profiles don't suggest they are.

I feel like the rest has been adequately addressed, but if anything wasn't link to me to it please.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

we see that base Sanemi enduring more against Kokushibo than marked Muichiro is also contradictory to a 10x amplification.

What??? How did you even come to this conclusion. This is literal vibe scaling at this point

You might as well be saying

"I stub my pinky toe meaning its a contradiction!!!" Literally anything, even if it doesn't make sense, is considered contradiction to you

– In fact, in the manga, Sanemi states that Muichiro lost due to inexperience, which also indicates that Sanemi was not 10x faster than him.https://ibb.co/8gc6sf51

Literally 2 entirely different things

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Marked Muichiro legit got double blitzed by a single slash followed by a casual stab into a pillar using his own sword.



Compared to Base Sanemi who kept up with a Danmaku spam of crescent moons

 

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[AyOgUyS]

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[Aytugsss]

Again you're saying words for the sake of saying words trying to improvise on the spot to make it seem like you have an argument.

What does this even mean???

No he can't. Mark is an entire blitz amp shown previous times. Tanjiro several minutes prior could barely keep up with a casual Akaza, let alone the one fighting Marked Giyu.

And it's different because vibes, right? The situation isn't even different.

Hes been holding back the entire time dude. If he truly wanted to kill them on the spot he would've done it ages ago (Easily broke Giyu's sword when he wanted to end the fight)

Legit the only time he was truly serious

Give me a good reason why Akaza didn't just do this instantly the moment he saw Tanjiro and only did it the moment Tanjiro was a legitimate threat to him.



Akaza was always that fast. He simply held back.

Firstly

Again you're saying words for the sake of saying words trying to improvise on the spot to make it seem like you have an argument.

What does this even mean???

No he can't. Mark is an entire blitz amp shown previous times. Tanjiro several minutes prior could barely keep up with a casual Akaza, let alone the one fighting Marked Giyu.

And it's different because vibes, right? The situation isn't even different.

Hes been holding back the entire time dude. If he truly wanted to kill them on the spot he would've done it ages ago (Easily broke Giyu's sword when he wanted to end the fight)

Legit the only time he was truly serious

Give me a good reason why Akaza didn't just do this instantly the moment he saw Tanjiro and only did it the moment Tanjiro was a legitimate threat to him.



Akaza was always that fast. He simply held back.

Firstl İm not saying anything without proofs i dont think why you dont understand
İn the sanemis page
Sanemi was equal or higher than marked muichiro in speed but thats make base sanemi 10 x faster than base muichiro
Secondly didnt you say obanai giyuu and sanemi should be equal but vsb calims that sanemi is 10 x above than both of them and thats a contradiction in vsb
İ never stated that mark isnt make speed blitz but didnt make it that time
Tanjiro was able to follow their movements in the manga and if you dont accept it you should debunk first argumant to

 

[Aytugsss]

This is just wrong akaza clearly angry at tanjiro and attack him non stop and then try to break his sword and he really tried because we see his face

What you said proves that Akaza wasn't taking Tanjiro seriously. When Tomioka re-enters the fight, amplified by the DSM, Akaza only increases his speed and starts fighting Tomioka. And even then, when Giyu had already used all the forms he had, Akaza would have easily ended the fight by impaling him because he had nothing more to offer him.

Being annoyed or bothered doesn't mean you're going to fight seriously. When Kanao says Douma shouldn't exist, he appears behind her and cuts her; if he wanted, the fight could have ended there, but it didn't. When Gyomei says there was a hunter capable of surpassing 25 years of age to reach Kokushibou, he could have used the Long Sword, but he only advanced. The Three Moons don't fight seriously unless it's necessary for their survival or they no longer want to fight.

Doumas and akazas situations are very different douma has no feeling and akaza was really angry at tanjiro
Also giyuu was tired and wounded in the end where akaza breakd his sword its stated bot by tanjiro and giyuu himself
Also akaza doesnt use end style isnt mean he was not serious
Douma also wasnt use boddhova agaisnt shinobu when she was death amped
And giyuu stop attacks in end style more than one

 

[Aytugsss]

Wait guys hear me out: what if...Sanemi just got faster in Infinity Castle?!??!?!??!?!?!?!

guys...what if...Akaza was just HOLDING BACK HIS SPEED CUZ HE WANTED TO SEE GIYU'S AMAZING BREATHING FORMS?!?!?!

Akaza already know. Water breathing

 

[Aytugsss]

Or Kokushibou fought more seriously against Tokito than against Sanemi.

Thats make sense if its true but other wise there is a contradiction

 

[Aytugsss]

What even is the point of this bro there is a future thread that will come out for it anyways

Sanemi, Giyu and Obanai are listed as equals (with Obanai being debatable) Muichiro however is explicitly that much slower if not way more by showings alone, even when marked.

There isn't anything that would negate that notion in the series.



They seem to have the same stats within the HTA, this was also the result of a sparring match and we have no idea how serious they were being with Muichiro either.

This is not withstanding Muichiro's frankly abysmal showings in the IC when fighting with Kokushibo, no matter how you want to put it, base Sanemi objectively stat checks marked Muichiro, and not by a small margin either.


Yeah, their profile has them as equals in terms of stats, nothing in the series shows they're not.

There is legit no way anyone can see that fight and think to themselves.

Muichiro was unambiguously blitzed even after his mark appears and while he was using the move that blitzed uppermoon 5, and as i stated his sword gets inches away from Kokushibo's neck before kokushibo completely disappears and reappears behind him, muichiro then says that his speed is in another dimension, he then goes for another attack only for Kokushibo to grab his blade and impale him on it, there's no world in which that doesn't require Kokushibo to massively outspeed him, senses have nothing to do with this, no matter how well muichiro's senses were, he can never even hope to keep up with kokushibo's attacks

and no, as i said prior, sanemi does not state he would have ended up like muichiro had he not had as much experience as he currently did, he says that he would have been unable to defend himself due to the chaos and randomness of the attacks.

it's good to note that Kokushibo didn't even use Breath of the Moon to impale muichiro, he just used his speed, sanemi performs overhwelmingly better, and fights for a while even as Kokushibo was increasing his speed, the latter was even surprised that he's still keeping up, altough at that point Sanemi couldn't even blink


The profiles don't suggest they are.

I feel like the rest has been adequately addressed, but if anything wasn't link to me to it please.

İs Sanemi get amped between hta and ica
Because you said vsb state that hta muichiro sanemi and obanai was equal

 

[Aytugsss]

What??? How did you even come to this conclusion. This is literal vibe scaling at this point

You might as well be saying

"I stub my pinky toe meaning its a contradiction!!!" Literally anything, even if it doesn't make sense, is considered contradiction to you


Literally 2 entirely different things

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Marked Muichiro legit got double blitzed by a single slash followed by a casual stab into a pillar using his own sword.



Compared to Base Sanemi who kept up with a Danmaku spam of crescent moons

İ don think you read my answers
Please be objective

 

[AyOgUyS]

Akaza already know. Water breathing

not all of its forms and certainly not the modern version of water breathing

 

[AyOgUyS]

İs Sanemi get amped between hta and ica

a common trope in animanga is when characters gain massive boosts in stats throughout the story

 

[AyOgUyS]

This is just wrong akaza clearly angry at tanjiro and attack him non stop and then try to break his sword and he really tried because we see his face

I can be angry at a fly and try to kill it but that don't mean I'm going all out does it

Also akaza doesnt use end style isnt mean he was not serious

if I don't use one of my strongest attacks clearly I'm not pulling in my all

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Agree, a 10x speed gap is enough to comfortably speed blitz and Giyuu went from somewhat keeping pace with Akaza without the mark to.. becoming slightly faster than Akaza at best with the mark

No matter how hard you try to convince yourself, that’s not a 10x gap

It’s also just Occam’s Razor; much more of an assumption that Akaza was holding back against a Hashira that he directly called strong, rather than the multiplier not amping speed as much as strength

 

[AyOgUyS]

Akaza was holding back against a Hashira that he directly called strong, rather than the multiplier not amping speed as much as strength

I call my cat strong but that doesn't mean we scale at all

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

This is just wrong akaza clearly angry at tanjiro and attack him non stop and then try to break his sword and he really tried because we see his face
Doumas and akazas situations are very different douma has no feeling and akaza was really angry at tanjiro
Also giyuu was tired and wounded in the end where akaza breakd his sword its stated bot by tanjiro and giyuu himself
Also akaza doesnt use end style isnt mean he was not serious
Douma also wasnt use boddhova agaisnt shinobu when she was death amped
And giyuu stop attacks in end style more than one

I knew you were going to say that.

Yes, Giyu was tired, but that doesn't change the fact that at the end of the fight, when Akaza breaks his katana and almost slams him, he has no reaction. He can't do anything, not even try to dodge, depending on Tanjiro's beautiful speedblitz (what a great scene).

In the Akaza vs. Giyu fight, 1v1, at the beginning, meaning Tomioka wasn't very tired or injured. Tomioka uses the tenth form, and Akaza manages to stop him with his arms. Then he uses the seventh form, and Akaza responds with his shockwaves. Why is this important? Because Tomioka used the two greatest amplifiers of his breathing technique, respectively Power and Speed, and even so, he was tied with Akaza. The constant flow increases the power of the blow through rotation, and the Seventh form is the fastest of the Water Breathing techniques (probably disregarding the Eleventh).

Base Giyu ≈ Akaza
DMS Giyu ≈ Akaza
DMS Giyu ( tenth form ) ≈ Akaza
DMS Giyu ( seventh form ) ≈ Akaza

DMS Giyu > Base Giyu
DMS Giyu ( tenth form ) > DMS Giyu ( AP/Speed )
DMS Giyu ( seventh form ) > DMS Giyu ( Speed )

The only way this makes sense is if Akaza keeps matching Giyu's level during the fight.

 

[Aytugsss]

not all of its forms and certainly not the modern version of water breathing

Only changes in water breathing is eleventh form

 

[Aytugsss]

I knew you were going to say that.

Yes, Giyu was tired, but that doesn't change the fact that at the end of the fight, when Akaza breaks his katana and almost slams him, he has no reaction. He can't do anything, not even try to dodge, depending on Tanjiro's beautiful speedblitz (what a great scene).

In the Akaza vs. Giyu fight, 1v1, at the beginning, meaning Tomioka wasn't very tired or injured. Tomioka uses the tenth form, and Akaza manages to stop him with his arms. Then he uses the seventh form, and Akaza responds with his shockwaves. Why is this important? Because Tomioka used the two greatest amplifiers of his breathing technique, respectively Power and Speed, and even so, he was tied with Akaza. The constant flow increases the power of the blow through rotation, and the Seventh form is the fastest of the Water Breathing techniques (probably disregarding the Eleventh).

Base Giyu ≈ Akaza
DMS Giyu ≈ Akaza
DMS Giyu ( tenth form ) ≈ Akaza
DMS Giyu ( seventh form ) ≈ Akaza

DMS Giyu > Base Giyu
DMS Giyu ( tenth form ) > DMS Giyu ( AP/Speed )
DMS Giyu ( seventh form ) > DMS Giyu ( Speed )

The only way this makes sense is if Akaza keeps matching Giyu's level during the fight.

Not just that when giyuu use his tenth and 7 th form he overpowered akaza i dont know if you count movie novelazition but vsb count this as 3 rd canon and its says akaza use his full might for the stop attack
And giyuu attack akaza then akaza break it and giyuu has no power to run back from the attack and akaza close their gap before giyuu run
And again giyuu was really tired

 

[Aytugsss]

Then

I can be angry at a fly and try to kill it but that don't mean I'm going all out does it

if I don't use one of my strongest attacks clearly I'm not pulling in my all

Then muzan and douma wasnt use their full power?

 

[Aytugsss]

Agree, a 10x speed gap is enough to comfortably speed blitz and Giyuu went from somewhat keeping pace with Akaza without the mark to.. becoming slightly faster than Akaza at best with the mark

No matter how hard you try to convince yourself, that’s not a 10x gap

It’s also just Occam’s Razor; much more of an assumption that Akaza was holding back against a Hashira that he directly called strong, rather than the multiplier not amping speed as much as strength

Thank you