Demon Slayer Revisions

[FelpeXDopZ]

Introduction​

As of now, almost all characters from Demon Slayer in the mid-tier and above have their Durability, Attack Potency and Striking Strength scaled from a single feat performed by a low-tier (Gaiden Rengoku). This makes for poor and incomplete scaling which we seek to improve in this thread.
Recently, some new calculations regarding the verse have been accepted, and as of now, there seems to be enough of them to update the Attack Potency, Striking Strength and Durability of the high-tiers (and above) by implementing these newly accepted calculations.
Throughout this thread we’ll be also relying on the fact that Blood Demon Arts (BDAs) have been agreed upon being a Non-Physical Energy System (NPES), which means that BDAs now scale the Attack Potency of demons. This renders the previously approved Doma’s Ice Sculpture feat usable again, aside from other new calculations we're going to explore later.

Note: For the sake of simplicity, this thread is based on currently existing in-verse scaling chains. Any changes regarding these should be addressed in a different thread.​

Major edit (10/03/2025)​

Muzan’s shockwave calculation was rejected, thus got removed from the thread. The new scaling has been redone accordingly while still following currently existing scaling chains. Naturally, all the characters who were scaling from Muzan's feat or Obanai's durability now scale to Nakime's feat. Those are the only major changes.​

Proposed changes​

Given the newly accepted feats, the proposed changes are the following:

Attack Potency​

Scaling from Gyutaro's Final Attack (305 tons of TNT) and Nakime sustaining the Infinity Castle (Town level):​

• Tengen: Multi-City Block level.​
• Kyojuro: Town level.​
• Muichiro: Multi-City Block level. Town level with Demon Slayer Mark.​
• Mitsuri: Multi-City Block level. Town level with Demon Slayer Mark.​
• Obanai: Multi-City Block level. Town level with Demon Slayer Mark.
• Shinobu: Town level.​
• Giyu: Town level.
• Sanemi: At least Town level.
• Gyomei: At least Town level, likely higher.
• Tanjiro (Post-Rehabilitation): At least Building level, likely higher. Multi-City Block level with Demon Slayer Mark.
• Tanjiro (Post-Type Zero Training): Multi-City Block level. Town level with Demon Slayer Mark.
• Tanjiro (Post-Hashira Training): Town level.
• Tanjiro (Post-Sun Breathing Mastery): At least Town level, likely higher.
• Genya: Multi-City Block level.
• Genya (Demon Transformation): At least Multi-City Block level, likely higher.
• Genya (after consuming Zohakuten): At least Multi-City Block level, likely higher.
• Genya (after consuming Kokushibo): Likely Town level.
• Zenitsu: Town level.
• Inosuke: Town level.
• Kanao: Town level.
• Hantengu (Emotion Clones): Multi-City Block level.
• Nezuko (Sun Immunity): Multi-City Block level.
• Gyutaro: Multi-City Block level.
• Kaigaku: Town level.
• Gyokko: Town level.
• Zohakuten Hantengu: Town level.
• Nakime: Town level.
• Akaza: At least Town level.
• Doma: At least Town level, likely higher.
• Kokushibo: At least Town level, likely higher.
• Muzan: At least Town level, likely far higher.
• Demon King Tanjiro: At least Town level, likely far higher.
• Yoriichi: At least Town level, likely far higher.

(3:20) Agree: Kavopaco, tonicsxz, Laitnetop, Epyriel, LMalone22, Machmatej, Xaropadob3ta, Passersby, Digital_Franz, KnyRaizn, SkibiDiSigma228, JnSteHar002, Syncornize, DarkDragonMedeus, Nehz_XZX, Saqphire, Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe, Apollonir.Scale, Nierre, Elizhaa.
(0:2) Disagree: DarkRuler234, NikHelton.
(0:1) Neutral: Da3ggman.

Striking Strength​

Scaling from Gyutaro’s final attack (305 tons of TNT) and Nakime sustaining the Infinity Castle (Town level):

• Tengen: Multi-City Block level.
• Kyojuro: Town level.
• Muichiro: Multi-City Block level. Town level with Demon Slayer Mark.
• Mitsuri: Multi-City Block level. Town level with Demon Slayer Mark.
• Obanai: Multi-City Block level. Town level with Demon Slayer Mark.
• Shinobu: Town level.
• Giyu: Town level.
• Sanemi: At least Town level.
• Gyomei: At least Town level, likely higher.
• Tanjiro (Post-Rehabilitation): At least Building level likely higher. Multi-City Block level with Demon Slayer Mark.
• Tanjiro (Post-Type Zero Training): Multi-City Block level. Town level with Demon Slayer Mark.
• Tanjiro (Post-Hashira Training): Town level.
• Tanjiro (Post-Sun Breathing Mastery): At least Town level, likely higher.
• Genya: Multi-City Block level.
• Genya (Demon Transformation): At least Multi-City Block level, likely higher.
• Genya (after consuming Zohakuten): At least Multi-City Block level, likely higher.
• Genya (after consuming Kokushibo): Likely Town level.
• Zenitsu: Town level.
• Inosuke: Town level.
• Kanao: Town level.
• Hantengu (Emotion Clones): Multi-City Block level.
• Nezuko (Sun Immunity): Multi-City Block level.
• Gyutaro: Multi-City Block level.
• Kaigaku: Town level.
• Gyokko: Town level.
• Zohakuten Hantengu: Town level.
• Nakime: Town level.
• Akaza: At least Town level.
• Doma: At least Town level, likely higher.
• Kokushibo: At least Town level, likely higher.
• Muzan: At least Town level, likely far higher.
• Demon King Tanjiro: At least Town level, likely far higher.
• Yoriichi: At least Town level, likely far higher.

(3:20) Agree: Kavopaco, tonicsxz, Laitnetop, Epyriel, LMalone22, Machmatej, Xaropadob3ta, Passersby, Digital_Franz, KnyRaizn, SkibiDiSigma228, JnSteHar002, Syncornize, DarkDragonMedeus, Nehz_XZX, Saqphire, Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe, Apollonir.Scale, Nierre, Elizhaa.
(0:2) Disagree: DarkRuler234, NikHelton.
(0:1) Neutral: Da3ggman.

Durability​

Scaling from Akaza and Rengoku tanking an explosion (17.8 tons of TNT), Mitsuri resisting Zohakuten’s sonic wave and Muzan surviving an explosion (17 tons of TNT):

• Tengen: Multi-City Block level.
• Kyojuro: Town level.
• Muichiro: Multi-City Block level. Town level with Demon Slayer Mark.
• Mitsuri: Town level.
• Obanai: Town level.
• Shinobu: Town level.
• Giyu: Town level.
• Sanemi: At least Town level.
• Gyomei: At least Town level, likely higher.
• Tanjiro (Post-Rehabilitation): At least Building level, likely higher. Multi-City Block level with Demon Slayer Mark.
• Tanjiro (Post-Type Zero Training): Multi-City Block level. Town level with Demon Slayer Mark.
• Tanjiro (Post-Hashira Training): Town level.
• Tanjiro (Post-Sun Breathing Mastery): At least Town level, likely higher.
• Genya: Multi-City Block level.
• Genya (Demon Transformation): At least Multi-City Block level, likely higher.
• Genya (after consuming Zohakuten): At least Multi-City Block level, likely higher.
• Genya (after consuming Kokushibo): Likely Town level.
• Zenitsu: Town level.
• Inosuke: Town level.
• Kanao: Town level.
• Nezuko (Sun Immunity): Unknown. Multi-City Block level with her neck.
• Hantengu (Emotion Clones): Unknown. Multi-City Block level with their neck.
• Gyutaro: Unknown. Multi-City Block level with his neck.
• Kaigaku: Unknown. Town level with his neck.
• Gyokko: Unknown. Town level with his neck.
• Zohakuten Hantengu: Unknown. Town level with his neck.
• Hantengu (Main Body): Unknown. Town level with his neck.
• Nakime: Uknown. Town level with her neck.
• Akaza: At least City Block level. At least Town level with his neck.
• Doma: At least City Block level, likely higher. At least Town level with his neck, likely higher.
• Kokushibo: At least City Block level, likely far higher. At least Town level with his neck, likely far higher.
• Muzan: At least City Block level, likely far higher. At least Town level with his neck, likely far higher.
• Yoriichi: At least Town level, likely far higher.

(3:20) Agree: Kavopaco, tonicsxz, Laitnetop, Epyriel, LMalone22, Machmatej, Xaropadob3ta, Passersby, Digital_Franz, KnyRaizn, SkibiDiSigma228, JnSteHar002, Syncornize, DarkDragonMedeus, Nehz_XZX, Saqphire, Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe, Apollonir.Scale, Nierre, Elizhaa.
(0:2) Disagree: DarkRuler234, NikHelton.
(0:1) Neutral: Da3ggman.

Reminder that this scaling is based off currently existing scaling chains.

Regarding physical scaling​

Despite BDAs not being a complete Universal Energy System (UES), characters like Tengen, Mitsuri, Kyojuro, Giyu, Tanjiro, Sanemi and Gyomei; were seen capable of physically competing against the BDAs of Gyutaro, Hantengu, Akaza and Kokushibo, therefore their physical statistics (AP, Striking Strength and Durability) should scale to the power output of said BDAs to varying degrees across characters.​

• SSVA Tanjiro was crushed against the ground by Karaku’s wind fan, but still managed to stand up and keep fighting almost immediately after.​
• Tengen was shown capable of parrying and deflecting Gyutaro’s blood blades.​
• Mitsuri survived a direct hit from one of Zohakuten’s sonic waves.​
• Kyojuro, Giyu and Tanjiro could clash against and block Akaza’s shockwaves.​
• Sanemi and Gyomei were able to deflect and clash against Kokushibo’s crescent moon blades.​

(Reference scans here).
None of these characters were overwhelmed by BDAs in terms of raw power, but rather they were all seen to be somewhat relative to said BDAs, thus scaling physically to them. This simply couldn’t occur if BDAs happened to be much more powerful than the demon slayers. The rest of the hashiras scale as they are relative in power to the previous characters (this is also based on currently existing scaling chains).

Demons are also comparable in terms of physical strength to the hashiras, hence they also scale physically. Moreover, they are capable of severely injuring these characters via physical attacks as can be seen in the following examples:​

• Zohakuten was confident in being able to crush Mitsuri’s skull with a punch despite him being impressed by the fact she withstood his sonic wave just moments after.​
• Akaza impaled Kyojuro and almost did the same to Marked Giyu.​
• Tanjiro was certain a direct hit from Akaza would have split him in half.​
• Doma crushed Shinobu’s bones by hugging her.​
• Kokushibo cut Marked Muichiro’s arm with his hand.​

(Scans here).
This again implies Demons must scale physically to their BDAs, as they are able to overcome the durability of characters comparable to Mitsuri or Obanai.

On the other hand, Akaza’s fighting style is mostly centered on hand-to-hand combat, where he performs at the same or a higher level than when he uses Blood Demon Art based attacks. All the slayers he was shown to fight had a similar performance (in terms of power) whether they were battling him in a direct showdown or his shockwaves. As an example, while Tanjiro was able to clash against his shockwaves, he was having a harder time blocking direct hits from him. It again wouldn’t make sense for his BDA to be much more powerful than he himself, as this directly contradicts explicit showings from his battles.

For further information I recommend reading the Physical Statistics section from this thread.​

 

[Kavopaco]

Revisions look good enough, agreed.

 

[tonicsxz]

These revisions make sense to me, i agree.

 

[Laitnetop]

The scaling looks a kinda odd in a few parts, but if that's how it works at the moment then I can't complain, so I agree

 

[Epyriel]

The existing scaling chains hurt my soul, but we will fix that in a separate CRT. I agree with the revisions.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

I'm watching the thread.

 

[LMalone22]

looks good I'm following

 

[Machmatej]

Never thought Tier 7 kny would be a thing but I agree.

 

[Xaropadob3ta]

I agree with that (although I would like a little more for the verse).

 

[Viott]

I am following up.

 

[Da3ggman]

Demon Slayer above JJK? We truly live in a society....

Watching this to see it inevitably be dragged on to 9 pages

(Count me as neutral)

 

[Passersby]

For how popular it is this verse really is quite neglected on this site

The calcs and Revisions look pretty good, I agree with the changes (minus the scaling chains, those hurt me but it seems like they will be handled in a separate crt)

 

[Digital_Franz]

Following, the proposal seems good.

 

[KnyRaizn]

I agree with that.

 

[SkibiDiSigma228]

i agree

 

[JnSteHar002]

Just found this thread (Thanks @Passersby ) I'm in full agreement

 

[DarkRuler234]

Disagree with everything.

 

[Syncornize]

Introduction​

As of now, almost all characters from Demon Slayer in the mid-tier and above have their Durability, Attack Potency and Striking Strength scaled from a single feat performed by a low-tier (Gaiden Rengoku). This makes for poor and incomplete scaling which we seek to improve in this thread.
Recently, some new calculations regarding the verse have been accepted, and as of now, there seems to be enough of them to update the Attack Potency, Striking Strength and Durability of the high-tiers (and above) by implementing these newly accepted calculations.
Throughout this thread we’ll be also relying on the fact that Blood Demon Arts (BDAs) have been agreed upon being a Non-Physical Energy System (NPES), which means that BDAs now scale the Attack Potency of demons. This renders the previously approved Doma’s Ice Sculpture feat usable again, aside from other new calculations we're going to explore later.
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I always recommend less long threads, however if the calc. are accepted I actually see no problem

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Bump.

 

[That_moron2]

Following

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Proposals here look good.

 

[Vzearr]

Disagree with everything.

Why . Blud came in and said nah with no reasoning.

 

[DarkRuler234]

Why . Blud came in and said nah with no reasoning.

The gyutaro feat was already recalculated and if I'm not mistaken it was City Block+ result, and if I'm not mistaken the Shockwave that Muzan was only agreed to be Small Town Level.

Edit: Looking at the shockwave feat I'm seeing another issue, that there's no prove the attack reached the Manor, the surrounding buildings where they were fighting Muzan are still intact, the wood on the area can easily be from the Infinity Castle, the Manor shows no sing of being affected by the shockwave, Tengen and Rengoku make no mention of the shockwave, and Ubuyashiki's were watching the battle from the eyes of the crows that after Muzan unleashed his attacks died and then showed the Ubuyashikis being affected by the attack, and before someone brings up the Databook the long range attack could simply mean that hit hits everyone surrounding Muzan and was even able to hit the Crows watching the fight which lead to them being affected by the attack.

So unless the Anime makes it clear that the shockwave reached the Manor I don't think this feat should be used.

The same goes to the Infinity Castle, that would give Nakimi infinite AP which is very inconsistent to the verse.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

The gyutaro feat was already recalculated and if I'm not mistaken it was City Block+ result

I think you’re talking about this recalculation, however, the scale Dalesean used was wrong as it was already discussed and settled in this calc group discussion thread, Dalesean himself acknowledged this and accepted my calculation. If we were to use the correct scale in Dale’s calc, the result would be around 8 times higher, which is still Multi-City Block level anyways.​

the Shockwave that Muzan was only agreed to be Small Town Level.

I think you’re getting confused with the low-end from the old calculation of Muzan’s shockwave. Although the actual yield of the shockwave was calculated at Large Town level for the low-end, which then causes Obanai’s durability to come out at Small Town level. Nevertheless, the feat got a recalculation using the proper overpressure for the shockwave based on the recommendations from two calc group members as it's pointed out in the recalc that’s being linked in the thread.


I hope that clears up the doubts.​

 

[DarkRuler234]

Look I agree that the Demon Slayer verse should get an upgrade in tier like putting them back in 8-A tiers maybe give the Low 7-C tier to a Full Power Muzan and Yoruichi, but I don't think these feats are valid.

 

[DarkRuler234]

Edit: Looking at the shockwave feat I'm seeing another issue, that there's no prove the attack reached the Manor, the surrounding buildings where they were fighting Muzan are still intact, the wood on the area can easily be from the Infinity Castle, the Manor shows no sing of being affected by the shockwave, Tengen and Rengoku make no mention of the shockwave, and Ubuyashiki's were watching the battle from the eyes of the crows that after Muzan unleashed his attacks died and then showed the Ubuyashikis being affected by the attack, and before someone brings up the Databook the long range attack could simply mean that hit hits everyone surrounding Muzan and was even able to hit the Crows watching the fight which lead to them being affected by the attack.

So unless the Anime makes it clear that the shockwave reached the Manor I don't think this feat should be used.

The same goes to the Infinity Castle, that would give Nakimi infinite AP which is very inconsistent to the verse.

There's still these issues above.

I think you’re talking about this recalculation, however, the scale Dalesean used was wrong as it was already discussed and settled in this calc group discussion thread, Dalesean himself acknowledged this and accepted my calculation. If we were to use the correct scale in Dale’s calc, the result would be around 8 times higher, which is still Multi-City Block level anyways.​

Look now I have another doubt about the Gyutaro scaling, is this feat anime only? If it is there's an statement or confirmation that the author asked this to be included, because I'm pretty sure that there are rules about using Anime only feats here.

If this issues were already addressed then I will change my mind about the Gyutaro scaling.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

Looking at the shockwave feat I'm seeing another issue, that there's no prove the attack reached the Manor, the surrounding buildings where they were fighting Muzan are still intact, the wood on the area can easily be from the Infinity Castle

The calculation for Muzan’s shockwave is not based on the destruction it caused, but the effects it had at a long distance. That is, the feat wasn’t quantified in terms of the amount of destruction it caused, but the characteristics of the shockwave.
There are also quite a few other examples of shockwave feats where the yield does not match the destruction they caused, and there seemed to be no complaints about that:​

• Here the yield from a shockwave was calculated at 1.71 kilotons of TNT, that’s over 150 MOABs, but there was no visible damage aside from a few glass panels breaking.​
• In this blog the yield from the shockwave was calculated at 1.74 megatons of TNT, that’s in the tier of a modern nuclear weapon, but the shockwave only caused some minor damage to its surroundings.​
• Here the blast was calculated at 17.3 megatons of TNT (modern nuke tier again), which should have caused some visible damage to the mountain, though that didn’t happen.​
• And here the yield was calculated at 897 megatons of TNT, over 15 times more powerful than the Tsar bomba. The blast was strong enough to delete the city where the characters were located, but of course that didn’t happen.​

(All these calculations are either on their corresponding verse pages or character profiles, if not both).

Is there any particular reason for Muzan’s shockwave to be treated in a different way?
Furthermore, no page on the wiki states that the destruction caused by an attack should be proportional to the energy it releases. For that matter a lot of feats would become unusable, like this one where the yield was calculated at 15 kilotons of TNT even though the character who performed the feat barely made a hole in the ground.

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the Manor shows no sing of being affected by the shockwave

The overpressure from a shockwave goes down the further you are from its epicenter; an overpressure of 1 psi won't have any major impact on a wooden structure.

Tengen and Rengoku make no mention of the shockwave

And how does this imply the shockwave didn't reach the mansion? Tengen and Shinjuro are both former hashiras who are much more durable than Kiriya and his sisters, if the shockwave only caused some bleeding on a 8 year old kid, then I don't see why it shouldn’t have any effect on them.
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Ubuyashiki's were watching the battle from the eyes of the crows that after Muzan unleashed his attacks died and then showed the Ubuyashikis being affected by the attack, and before someone brings up the Databook the long range attack could simply mean that hit hits everyone surrounding Muzan and was even able to hit the Crows watching the fight which lead to them being affected by the attack.

If you’re suggesting that the attack was somehow transmitted through Yushiro’s eyes to Kiriya and his sisters, then that would seem more like a personal interpretation rather than anything else. As far as I know, there’s no evidence suggesting the shockwave was transmitted through the “eyes” on the crows nor that any kind of damage can be transmitted through them. Moreover, Muzan unleashed a weaker version of the shockwave again later in the battle, but it didn’t cause any damage to the Ubuyashiki siblings this time, nor did it have any effects on Yushiro on both occasions, despite him being the one who controls the BDA. In addition, Muzan had cut these talismans several times, and the damage was never reflected on the characters who were wearing them nor on Yushiro.
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And the statement from the databook seems pretty explicit really

“A long-range attack by Kibutsuji injures the master of the mansion”.

The simplest interpretation is that the shockwave just reached Kiriya because it was a long-ranged attack. I mean, it’s everything on the same sentence.
Your interpretation is a bit convoluted. Why being the attack stated to be long-ranged would have nothing to do with the fact that it harmed Kiriya when all of it is quite literally said in a single sentence? Not only that, but you’re implicitly assuming that the shockwave was somehow transmitted through Yushiro’s talisman, even though you have provided no evidence to support that point to begin with.

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The same goes to the Infinity Castle, that would give Nakimi infinite AP which is very inconsistent to the verse.

There really is no proof of the Infinity Castle actually being infinite in size, and the fact that it’s called the “Infinity Castle” doesn’t necessarily mean it’s infinite either, that’d be a naming fallacy.
From what I could calculate, the stabilization of the IC qualifies as a Town level feat, while Gyutaro’s feat was calculated at MCB level, and this actually makes sense considering that Nakime should be stronger than Gyutaro.
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Look now I have another doubt about the Gyutaro scaling, is this feat anime only? If it is there's an statement or confirmation that the author asked this to be included, because I'm pretty sure that there are rules about using Anime only feats here.

Gyutaro's feat is not anime only, the feat also exists in the manga and it shows he caused massive destruction too. The anime just gives a better depiction of it since the manga cuts off pretty much at the beginning of the attack, while the anime shows the whole process. In the aftermath, the manga shows not a single standing building, plus characters who were pretty much right next to each other (like Tanjiro and Tengen or Inosuke and Zenitsu) were now in relatively far away locations, which means the attack tossed them away. It’s clear that the manga skipped a lot of what happened during the “explosion”.
Furthermore, the 4th novel also supports this, as it states the following:​

The surrounding area was a mountain of rubble. Every building within sight had collapsed. "It's terrible... a complete mess."​

On the other hand, the author of the manga has been deeply involved in the anime adaptation.
And as far as I know, feats from secondary canon sources (like the anime) can be used as long as they don’t show some major contradictions to the primary source (which is the manga in this case). And in Gyutaro's feat there are no such contradictions.

 

[DarkRuler234]

The calculation for Muzan’s shockwave is not based on the destruction it caused, but the effects it had at a long distance. That is, the feat wasn’t quantified in terms of the amount of destruction it caused, but the characteristics of the shockwave.
There are also quite a few other examples of shockwave feats where the yield does not match the destruction they caused, and there seemed to be no complaints about that:​

• Here the yield from a shockwave was calculated at 1.71 kilotons of TNT, that’s over 15 MOABs, but there was no visible damage aside from a few glass panels breaking.​
• In this blog the yield from the shockwave was calculated at 1.74 megatons of TNT, that’s in the tier of a modern nuclear weapon, but the shockwave only caused some minor damage to its surroundings.​
• Here the blast was calculated at 17.3 megatons of TNT (modern nuke tier again), which should have caused some visible damage to the mountain, though that didn’t happen.​
• And here the yield was calculated at 897 megatons of TNT, over 15 times more powerful than the Tsar bomba. The blast was strong enough to delete the city where the characters were located, but of course that didn’t happen.​

(All these calculations are either on their corresponding verse pages or character profiles, if not both).

Is there any particular reason for Muzan’s shockwave to be treated in a different way?
Furthermore, no page on the wiki states that the destruction caused by an attack should be proportional to the energy it releases. For that matter a lot of feats would become unusable, like this one where the yield was calculated at 15 kilotons of TNT even though the character who performed the feat barely made a hole in the ground.

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The overpressure from a shockwave goes down the further you are from its epicenter; an overpressure of 1 psi won't have any major impact on a wooden structure.

And how does this imply the shockwave didn't reach the mansion? Tengen and Shinjuro are both former hashiras who are much more durable than Kiriya and his sisters, if the shockwave only caused some bleeding on a 8 year old kid, then I don't see why it shouldn’t have any effect on them.
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If you’re suggesting that the attack was somehow transmitted through Yushiro’s eyes to Kiriya and his sisters, then that would seem more like a personal interpretation rather than anything else. As far as I know, there’s no evidence suggesting the shockwave was transmitted through the “eyes” on the crows nor that any kind of damage can be transmitted through them. Moreover, Muzan unleashed a weaker version of the shockwave again later in the battle, but it didn’t cause any damage to the Ubuyashiki siblings this time, nor did it have any effects on Yushiro on both occasions, despite him being the one who controls the BDA. In addition, Muzan had cut these talismans several times, and the damage was never reflected on the characters who were wearing them nor on Yushiro.
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And the statement from the databook seems pretty explicit really

The simplest interpretation is that the shockwave just reached Kiriya because it was a long-ranged attack. I mean, it’s everything on the same sentence.
Your interpretation is a bit convoluted. Why being the attack stated to be long-ranged would have nothing to do with the fact that it harmed Kiriya when all of it is quite literally said in a single sentence? Not only that, but you’re implicitly assuming that the shockwave was somehow transmitted through Yushiro’s talisman, even though you have provided no evidence to support that point to begin with.

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There really is no proof of the Infinity Castle actually being infinite in size, and the fact that it’s called the “Infinity Castle” doesn’t necessarily mean it’s infinite either, that’d be a naming fallacy.
From what I could calculate, the stabilization of the IC qualifies as a Town level feat, while Gyutaro’s feat was calculated at MCB level, and this actually makes sense considering that Nakime should be stronger than Gyutaro.
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Gyutaro's feat is not anime only, the feat also exists in the manga and it shows he caused massive destruction too. The anime just gives a better depiction of it since the manga cuts off pretty much at the beginning of the attack, while the anime shows the whole process. In the aftermath, the manga shows not a single standing building, plus characters who were pretty much right next to each other (like Tanjiro and Tengen or Inosuke and Zenitsu) were now in relatively far away locations, which means the attack tossed them away. It’s clear that the manga skipped a lot of what happened during the “explosion”.
Furthermore, the 4th novel also supports this, as it states the following:​

On the other hand, the author of the manga has been deeply involved in the anime adaptation.
And as far as I know, feats from secondary canon sources (like the anime) can be used as long as they don’t show some major contradictions to the primary source (which is the manga in this case). And in Gyutaro's feat there are no such contradictions.

Ok first of all, just because it was accepted in one verse it doesn't mean it has to be accepted in others, that was one problem that happened in JJK where some tried to bring up that something was done in other verses but everyone had issues when applied to JJK even though it was the same situation, the answer that was given was simple: those feats are wrong, and just because they were done in thar verses it doesn't mean it should be done in every other verse.

Also you have no prove that the attack Muzan did reached there, literally my interpretation is what the Manga implies, because first we see the crows dead, and then we see the Ubuyashikis removing the seal from there eyes visibly affected by something, and the Databook was also very vague, a long range attack by Kibutsuji injures the Master of the Mansion, but yet the scans don't show the attack reaching there or affecting the others combatants in the battlefield besides Tanjiro and Obanai, even though the range of this attack should be gigantic, honestly the manga backs up more my interpretation than the one you're trying to push forward.

And about not happening before that could simply be an incontinence, and you said it best am weakened shockwave, of course is not going affect them more than the stronger one.

I still disagree with the Nakime scaling, I don't think anyone should scale to the Infinity Castle.

About Gyutaro that is simply not enough for me, a lot of authors are deeply involved in the anime adaptation but that still doesn't mean the feats are applicable, since the animator may chose to exaggerate something that is happening, that is a issue that many verses have gone though.

And the moutain of rumble, and and every building in sight had collapsed is simply not enough as well, because we don't know the time-frame or the state were what remained of this building and that counts a lot, and since you said we didn't saw that in the manga then I have no reason to believe that the animators didn't simply choose to exaggerate what happened between Gyutaro and Tengen.

So I won't reply anymore because it's very clear that you can't convince me, and my vote remains the same, I still disagree with everything.

 

[Epyriel]

Ok first of all, just because it was accepted in one verse it doesn't mean it has to be accepted in others, that was one problem that happened in JJK where some tried to bring up that something was done in other verses but everyone had issues when applied to JJK even though it was the same situation, the answer that was given was simple: those feats are wrong, and just because they were done in thar verses it doesn't mean it should be done in every other verse.

Also you have no prove that the attack Muzan did reached there, literally my interpretation is what the Manga implies, because first we see the crows dead, and then we see the Ubuyashikis removing the seal from there eyes visibly affected by something, and the Databook was also very vague, a long range attack by Kibutsuji injures the Master of the Mansion, but yet the scans don't show the attack reaching there or affecting the others combatants in the battlefield besides Tanjiro and Obanai, even though the range of this attack should be gigantic, honestly the manga backs up more my interpretation than the one you're trying to push forward.

And about not happening before that could simply be an incontinence, and you said it best am weakened shockwave, of course is not going affect them more than the stronger one.

This is such a stretch of an explanation.
We see these crows get killed before in brutal fashion while the Ubuyashikis were controlling them and they suffered no effects whatsoever, but when they get hit with an explicitly long ranged attack (from a far weaker Muzan) that Shinjuro immediately thinks came from Muzan directly - that is when they suddenly gain the ability to be injured from the crows in direct contradiction to everything we’ve been shown up to that point?

Kind of looks like you are just looking for an excuse.

I still disagree with the Nakime scaling, I don't think anyone should scale to the Infinity Castle.

Based on….?

About Gyutaro that is simply not enough for me, a lot of authors are deeply involved in the anime adaptation but that still doesn't mean the feats are applicable, since the animator may chose to exaggerate something that is happening, that is a issue that many verses have gone though.

And the moutain of rumble, and and every building in sight had collapsed is simply not enough as well, because we don't know the time-frame or the state were what remained of this building and that counts a lot, and since you said we didn't saw that in the manga then I have no reason to believe that the animators didn't simply choose to exaggerate what happened between Gyutaro and Tengen.

So I won't reply anymore because it's very clear that you can't convince me, and my vote remains the same, I still disagree with everything.

No anime feat is ever put to that level of skepticism for any other verse. Here we have a scene that replicates the same sequence of events as shown in the manga as produced under close association of the original author with nothing to suggest a divergence in presentation of its effects. Frankly if this didn’t qualify you wouldn’t be able to use anime feats for anything for any verse.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

I find DarkRuler234 very unconvincing. I hate the idea of inconsistency as a default assumption.

 

[Passersby]

so people dealt with most other points pretty adequately but i will add something

About Gyutaro that is simply not enough for me, a lot of authors are deeply involved in the anime adaptation but that still doesn't mean the feats are applicable, since the animator may chose to exaggerate something that is happening, that is a issue that many verses have gone though.

this is just an appeal to an unverifiable hypothesis, a lot of people use it and it's annoyingly common due to people's lack of understanding of what constitutes positive and negative claims

it's the nature of what the positive claim is
that the animators exagerated something is a positive claim, the null hypothesis is "they didn't" and the alternative hypothesis is "they did" If we have insufficient evidence to support the alternative hypothesis, we revert to the null hypothesis due to the burden of proof, because the negative claim is assumed until the positive is proven. In this case, there is insufficient evidence to prove your claim, so we assume the default lack of effect,we don't say "well we don't have proof that there is a unicorn floating on the other side of Venus, but we also don't have proof that there isn't a unicorn there, so really we don't know and can't draw any conclusions." The burden of proof dictates that the negative claim is assumed to be true, because there is no reason to believe that there is a unicorn floating on the other side of Venus.

my claim is a negative claim, because I am asserting that they dodn't, I have no way of providing a lack of evidence and the burden of proof does not expect me to, you're the one asserting that they did and you're required to provide evidence of that happening, the situation in which my claim would become positive is if there was explicit evidence of them exagerating this feat rather than this just being a baseless speculation that's merely a "maybe", In that case, I would have to provide convincing evidence that they didn't


really this is just scrutiny for the sake of it, most other points were adequately dealt with for now so i will leave it at this

 

[Machmatej]

Ok first of all, just because it was accepted in one verse it doesn't mean it has to be accepted in others, that was one problem that happened in JJK where some tried to bring up that something was done in other verses but everyone had issues when applied to JJK even though it was the same situation, the answer that was given was simple: those feats are wrong, and just because they were done in thar verses it doesn't mean it should be done in every other verse.

Also you have no prove that the attack Muzan did reached there, literally my interpretation is what the Manga implies, because first we see the crows dead, and then we see the Ubuyashikis removing the seal from there eyes visibly affected by something, and the Databook was also very vague, a long range attack by Kibutsuji injures the Master of the Mansion, but yet the scans don't show the attack reaching there or affecting the others combatants in the battlefield besides Tanjiro and Obanai, even though the range of this attack should be gigantic, honestly the manga backs up more my interpretation than the one you're trying to push forward.

And about not happening before that could simply be an incontinence, and you said it best am weakened shockwave, of course is not going affect them more than the stronger one.

I still disagree with the Nakime scaling, I don't think anyone should scale to the Infinity Castle.

About Gyutaro that is simply not enough for me, a lot of authors are deeply involved in the anime adaptation but that still doesn't mean the feats are applicable, since the animator may chose to exaggerate something that is happening, that is a issue that many verses have gone though.

And the moutain of rumble, and and every building in sight had collapsed is simply not enough as well, because we don't know the time-frame or the state were what remained of this building and that counts a lot, and since you said we didn't saw that in the manga then I have no reason to believe that the animators didn't simply choose to exaggerate what happened between Gyutaro and Tengen.

So I won't reply anymore because it's very clear that you can't convince me, and my vote remains the same, I still disagree with everything.

Allat yap just to say nothing. These guys are being too nice to you. There's nothing to gain by convincing you either. Idk what Passerby is yapping abt tho

 

[Xaropadob3ta]

About Gyutaro that is simply not enough for me, a lot of authors are deeply involved in the anime adaptation but that still doesn't mean the feats are applicable, since the animator may chose to exaggerate something that is happening, that is a issue that many verses have gone though.

"In the anime "Mob Psycho" broccoli is much higher than in the webcomic. However, given that ONE was involved in the creation process and some anime calculations were taken, I think we can use this."
In Mob, the anime, even though it shows a feat superior to its original source, is being used, Why would it be any different with Kny? (and to tell the truth, the anime is neither superior nor inferior to the manga, but rather showing what the manga did not show)

Apparently there is no problem if the author is directing the animators on what to do.

 

[JnSteHar002]

"In the anime "Mob Psycho" broccoli is much higher than in the webcomic. However, given that ONE was involved in the creation process and some anime calculations were taken, I think we can use this."
In Mob, the anime, even though it shows a feat superior to its original source, is being used, Why would it be any different with Kny? (and to tell the truth, the anime is neither superior nor inferior to the manga, but rather showing what the manga did not show)

Apparently there is no problem if the author is directing the animators on what to do.

I, along w/others, have argued this in JJK. Most of the time it's been more or less shut down by "Just b/c this fandom/section of the wiki allows it doesn't mean ours will!" I kinda get it, but don't at the same time

 

[Kavopaco]

I find DarkRuler234 very unconvincing. I hate the idea of inconsistency as a default assumption.

Just to know, what are your thoughts on the proposals?

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Just to know, what are your thoughts on the proposals?

Attack Potency

The scaling remains the same, so the only thing left to discuss are the feats used for the statistics. Since the calculations have been approved there is nothing to consider there anymore. There isn't much to argue about the nature of Gyutaro and Nakime's feats and while I previously didn't consider the implications of Muzan having that much range it makes more sense than there being some kind of physical damage feedback via the crows. Gyutaro's feat seems like something that would work very well with the 100x multiplier statement for Tanjiro that got removed. Nakime manipulating and maintaining the Infinity Fortress is a constantly present feature with her, so at least in regards to her character her being able to do that is very consistent and it's hard to argue that the author made a mistake of making her stronger than she should be with how important the Infinity Fortress is for the story. If Muzan and Obanai performing feats that surpass what has been calculated for Nakime is accepted, there are no inconsistencies left with her scaling chain.

Striking Strength

This part has a lot of overlap with Attack Potency. Other characters scaling from Obanai's durability makes sense with how the fight is depicted. Demons generally scaling to their Blood Demon Arts with their physical strength more or less reflects my views on the matter.

Durability

Establishing a minimum Durability for demons makes sense to me even if it is just for those who scale to Akaza. Anything else to talk about with the topic of Durability tends to overlap with Attack Potency and Striking Strength.

 

[NikHelton]

I have nothing against Douma's feat, but I disagree with the other two calculations.

Gyutaro's final attack is an ultimatum and no one scales up to it. I've been watching that season for a long time, and as far as I remember, getting hit by one of those red splashes was deadly for Tengen and Tanjiro.

Shockwave calculation is complete nonsense, because Ubuyashiki took damage through communication with crows, as Dark has already noted. We don't even really see the actual destruction to apply the explosion formula. No one in the mansion noticed the shock wave because it simply wasn't there.

 

[NikHelton]

If we're really scaling the characters to energy, then why don't you find the energy to create a Hantengu Tree Dragon? This would give from 8-A to 7-C and would be less stretched than the Mudzan shock wave

 

[Epyriel]

Gyutaro's final attack is an ultimatum and no one scales up to it. I've been watching that season for a long time, and as far as I remember, getting hit by one of those red splashes was deadly for Tengen and Tanjiro.

Not only did Tanjiro and Tengen survive it from fairly close range, the larger point is the fact that they can easily slash through his red blades even if they were to be deadly (which was as much because of the poison anyways) - thus scaling their AP accordingly. The other higher ranked demons would upsacale from the accepted Non-Physical Energy System of Blood Demon Arts.

Shockwave calculation is complete nonsense, because Ubuyashiki took damage through communication with crows, as Dark has already noted. We don't even really see the actual destruction to apply the explosion formula. No one in the mansion noticed the shock wave because it simply wasn't there.

As already pointed out, these crows get killed multiple times without anything happening whatsoever to the Ubuyashikis. It is only on the specified “long ranged attack” which Shinjuro immediately assumes came directly from Muzan that injures them.

A low pressure shockwave wouldn’t do much to the building but can still give minor injuries to people (especially sickly young children). And frankly it would be weird for the 3 Hashira to be damaged from a 1 PSI shockwave that could only give a nosebleed to a diseased child.

 

[Epyriel]

If we're really scaling the characters to energy, then why don't you find the energy to create a Hantengu Tree Dragon? This would give from 8-A to 7-C and would be less stretched than the Mudzan shock wave

No it wouldn’t. Even just 8-A requires the creation of 54 billion kilograms of material, what Zohakuten actually created would be lucky to count as Building level through the creation feat alone.