Demon Slayer Revisions

[LegendariumOfLies]

That's still Gyutaro's own power doing that and due to his Regeneration nothing would prevent him from constantly spamming suicide attacks and this is assuming that this specific attack would count as one.

Do you have any proof of this?

In the first place a character performing an attack while half-dead would usually be considered an argument for fully scaling due to reduced stamina and wounds holding them back though that point wouldn't apply to Gyutaro as a demon.

Except said attack seems to reducded his body to a puddle of blood.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Do you have any proof of this?

Except said attack seems to reducded his body to a puddle of blood.

Are you telling me to prove that he used his own power for his attack and that he has Regeneration?

Are you aware of the fact that he had already been decapitated and was in the process of dying?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Are you telling me to prove that he used his own power for his attack and that he has Regeneration?

Are you aware of the fact that he had already been decapitated and was in the process of dying?

I understand that, however your arguement is :

that and due to his Regeneration nothing would prevent him from constantly spamming suicide attacks.

So I would like proof of this.

 

[Epyriel]

Characters are covered and thrown back by the shock wave from the sickles, but we haven't seen them take these attacks directly without damage.

Review the scene again. None of the blades hit them. The blades destroyed everything they touched, but passed them by.

That is just patently false.
If you watch the scene in slow motion you can see half a dozen blades hit both Tengen and Tanjiro. Tengen even gets launched into the air by them.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

I understand that, however your arguement is :

So I would like proof of this.

What sort of proof are you looking for? We know from the series that Gyutaro's Regeneration makes it pretty much impossible to kill him with anything other than sunlight or Nichirin blades. It therefore follows that any suicide attack that doesn't damage him to a degree that surpasses what his Regeneration can fix or doesn't have any special anti-Regeneration properties would be something he can simply recover from. Keep in mind that getting reduced to a head and getting completely crushed wouldn't kill him.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Right before getting beheaded, Gyutaro said that he needed to use his Rotatory Slashes of Death (probably to get Tanjiro and Tengen off him), but he wasn’t fast enough and got beheaded before he could use his attack, which is why it is released afterwards. It was not a suicidal attack, he just didn't managed to use his regular technique in time.

These ^. Just by pure visuals you can tell they are not the same level as his suicide attack.

Nobody is actually saying they were hit by whole attack.

Fair Enough.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

Do you have any proof of this?

Nehz doesn't really has to prove anything here. It is a well stablished fact that demons can't die unless they're exposed to sunlight or their head gets cut off with a nichirin blade. This is not even a suicidal attack to begin with.​

Except said attack seems to reducded his body to a puddle of blood.

As I just commented, this was just another instance of one of Gyutaro's regular techniques, the statement was quite explicit. The blood puddle isn't necessarily in the same location as his body was, in the same way all the other characters were tossed away by the attack, Gyutaro's body could have also been moved from its initial position, or it might just as well have already vanished as it always happens when a demon gets beheaded. There're is also not a single showing nor statement of Gyutaro's body getting destroyed by his own attack.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

These ^. Just by pure visuals you can tell they are not the same level as his suicide attack.

According to who? Did you check the panel that I linked where Gyutaro explicitly stated that he needed to use his rotatory slashes?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

[]Nehz doesn't really has to prove anything here. It is a well stablished fact that demons can't die unless they're exposed to sunlight or their head gets cut off with a nichirin blade. This is not even a suicidal attack to begin with.[/]

If his arguement is that he can do these attacks again and again and regenerate from them, then yes I would like to see proof of this because from visuals it seems to have reducded Gyutaro to a puddle.

 

[Epyriel]

If his arguement is that he can do these attacks again and again and regenerate from them, then yes I would like to see proof of this because from visuals it seems to have reducded Gyutaro to a puddle.

Considering this was after a small timeskip, Gyutaro’s body would have disintegrated from the beheading.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

If his arguement is that he can do these attacks again and again and regenerate from them, then yes I would like to see proof of this because from visuals it seems to have reducded Gyutaro to a puddle.

Didn't we already establish that demons are currently accepted to have infinite stamina? Without a Content Revision Thread changing that it would be hard to use an argument based on the contrary.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Didn't we already establish that demons are currently accepted to have infinite stamina? Without a Content Revision Thread changing that it would be hard to use an argument based on the contrary.

Stamina has nothing to do with Regeneration

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Stamina has nothing to do with Regeneration

It's also established that trying to kill demons without Nichirin blades or sunlight is generally an exercise in futility to the point where the vast majority of demons are incapable of killing each other because of said Regeneration. Suicide attacks wouldn't be an exception unless there is something special that differentiates them from attacks demons would survive.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

If his arguement is that he can do these attacks again and again and regenerate from them, then yes I would like to see proof of this because from visuals it seems to have reducded Gyutaro to a puddle.

What visuals? You mean the aftermath of the attack? There really is no necessity for Gyutaro’s body to have been reduced to a blood puddle to explain that scene. As I just said, his body might have just disintegrated as it always happens after demons are beheaded (especially considering we don’t how much time passed before Tanjiro regained consciousness), or it could have been just tossed away along with all the other characters in the place. And there really is absolutely no showing of Gyutaro’s body being destroyed as he releases his attack, the same image you shared shows Gyutaro’s body laying on the floor while his attack had already extended several meters.​

I encourage you to provide actual evidence to support your claim.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

Stamina has nothing to do with Regeneration

Unlimited stamina quite literally allows demons to regenerate indefinitely.

 

[Passersby]

If his arguement is that he can do these attacks again and again and regenerate from them, then yes I would like to see proof of this because from visuals it seems to have reducded Gyutaro to a puddle.

Other than the blatant, established verse mechanics of immortality, regeneration, no need for a brain (hence no need for organs), and infinite stamina, Gyutaro lost his legs from the knees down and managed to regenerate them completely while detoxifying an anti-demon poison laced on a kunai that completely halted said regeneration before Tengen's blade could travel a single meter.




i couldn't find the scene on youtube so best i could find is this where the regen that took place and the slow mo pace of the blade was accounted for as gyutaro regenerated said legs



there is not a single reason, even assuming the fact that his body would somehow be destroyed in the process (of which no tangibe evidence of that being the case is provided) that he can't spam his attack

edit : ep 9 on 5:56 if you need a reference

 

[Damage3245]

Super Perfect Cell scaling to Solar System because his final Kamehameha being able to destroy the Solar System, which most likely was the strongest attack he ever used.

Not a good example as Super Pefect Cell doesn't scale directly to the Kamehameha there.

Deku's isn't good either as that is literally just a single punch from him, so there is nothing to scale there, it's a lot more direct.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

Not a good example as Super Pefect Cell doesn't scale directly to the Kamehameha there.

I might have gotten something wrong, but it seems he's directly being scaled to that Kamehameha, or at least that's what the Dragon Ball verse page says:​

[...] with top tiers reaching Solar System level and higher due to Cell's feat of threatening to destroy the Star System from Earth.​

Deku's isn't good either as that is literally just a single punch from him, so there is nothing to scale there, it's a lot more direct.

I’m not sure of what’s the difference here. Deku is being scaled to his ultimate attack, making no distinction from his other techniques, so why wouldn’t Gyutaro scale to one of his regular techniques?

And I don't want to sound repetitive, but I also noted a few other reasons why this technique would still scale to the others, such as the NPES, Gyutaro going all out against Tengen, the fact he doesn't gets tired from using his attacks, and that this was another instance of a technique he had already used before.
Furthermore, Gyutaro's techniques are essentially all the same thing, which is just “blood telekinesis”. He can telekinetically control his blood, giving it variated shapes and moving it around, but other than that they're all the same, it’s not like he casts a fireball and then he summons lightning, he’s only manipulating his blood.​

 

[Damage3245]

I might have gotten something wrong, but it seems he's directly being scaled to that Kamehameha, or at least that's what the Dragon Ball verse page says:

No worries; it's just a little outdated.

I’m not sure of what’s the difference here. Deku is being scaled to his ultimate attack, making no distinction from his other techniques, so why wouldn’t Gyutaro scale to one of his regular techniques?

And I don't want to sound repetitive, but I also noted a few other reasons why this technique would still scale to the others, such as the NPES, Gyutaro going all out against Tengen, the fact he doesn't gets tired from using his attacks, and that this was another instance of a technique he had already used before.
Furthermore, Gyutaro's techniques are essentially all the same thing, which is just “blood telekinesis”. He can telekinetically control his blood, giving it variated shapes and moving it around, but other than that they're all the same, it’s not like he casts a fireball and then he summons lightning, he’s only manipulating his blood.

I'll go back over the thread some more.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

No worries; it's just a little outdated.

Oh, my bad then, thanks for the heads-up.

I'll go back over the thread some more.

Thanks, here is my previous reply just in case.

 

[KnyRaizn]

I do want to bring up two issues:
1) Why does Gyuutaro scale to it? He's already half dead. That's like saying a human should scale to a suicide vest (Dark I know, but still)
2) How far are Tanjiro and Tengen from Gyuutaro? Any distance, even less than a meter, means they don't scale to the full force of the attack.
In the manga, they aren't even hit by it.

The demons scale their attacks, as we saw in the thread for the BDA's, Gyutaro's body does not scale because a demon's body is more fragile when it is headless, and Gyutaro had been decapitated at that time. Even logically, if Gyutaro could not resist that attack under normal conditions, what would be the point of an attack in battle, which destroys his own body? And anyway Gyutaro's body doesn't seem to be destroyed by his attack, we don't know when it dissolves, when the attack starts we see that it's still there

 

[Arkenis]

bump

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Bump.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Bump.

 

[Nierre]

looks okay to me.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

IMO I never really agreed to a lot of demon slayer calcs for one reason, the value we use for destruction of concrete are using modern concrete which was only used in Japan after the 1923 great kanto earthquake and were only implemented in normal buildings between 1933 and 1937 according to Wikipedia, while demon slayer took place between 1912-1926 so while there is a possibility that they used modern concrete, the chances are low at best and they where likely using a much more primative version than what is here today therefor making VS battle wikis destructive values for it incomparable IMO

 

[Epyriel]

IMO I never really agreed to a lot of demon slayer calcs for one reason, the value we use for destruction of concrete are using modern concrete which was only used in Japan after the 1923 great kanto earthquake and were only implemented in normal buildings between 1933 and 1937 according to Wikipedia, while demon slayer took place between 1912-1926 so while there is a possibility that they used modern concrete, the chances are low at best and they where likely using a much more primative version than what is here today therefor making VS battle wikis destructive values for it incomparable IMO

The small percentage of concrete used in the calcs is based off of what we can visually see on screen.

If you think using the standard destruction value for concrete is in error, I mean, what concrete exactly do you think they were using? Standard modern Portland concrete was invented in the 1840s, over 70 years prior to the start of Demon Slayer.

Unless you think they were for some reason using lime-based cement instead of the standard Portland cement despite is being phased out a century earlier, in which case I would love to hear your reasoning.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

The small percentage of concrete used in the calcs is based off of what we can visually see on screen.

If you think using the standard destruction value for concrete is in error, I mean, what concrete exactly do you think they were using? Standard modern Portland concrete was invented in the 1840s, over 70 years prior to the start of Demon Slayer.

Unless you think they were for some reason using lime-based cement instead of the standard Portland cement despite is being phased out a century earlier, in which case I would love to hear your reasoning.

It was invented in the 1840s but was only used in JAPAN in the mid 20th century

 

[Epyriel]

IMO I never really agreed to a lot of demon slayer calcs for one reason, the value we use for destruction of concrete are using modern concrete which was only used in Japan after the 1923 great kanto earthquake and were only implemented in normal buildings between 1933 and 1937 according to Wikipedia

It was invented in the 1840s but was only used in JAPAN in the mid 20th century

If you are using this Wikipedia page as your source for concrete only appearing in Japan in 1933-1937 I would like to point out that this specifically states that this was when they began to experiment with reinforced concrete in Japan (which is a different material that comprises of rebar being added to concrete to increase its durability which has its own destruction value that wasn’t used).

Also I would like to point out that just because a certain material wasn’t used in every house doesn’t mean it wasn’t used at all anywhere in the country - in this case we literally see concrete on panel.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

If you are using this Wikipedia page as your source for concrete only appearing in Japan in 1933-1937 I would like to point out that this specifically states that this was when they began to experiment with reinforced concrete in Japan (which is a different material that comprises of rebar being added to concrete to increase its durability which has its own destruction value that wasn’t used).

Also I would like to point out that just because a certain material wasn’t used in every house doesn’t mean it wasn’t used at all anywhere in the country - in this case we literally see concrete on panel.

Japan had been using a form of concrete for a while what was far weaker than what we have today which is likely what that was.

I used the 1933-1937 number because when I used Ctrl+F to find concrete it was the first thing to show up, but still the first thing that shows up whenever I search "when was concrete used in buildings in japan" or "Japan concrete usage" it will go back to the kanto earthquake of 1923 or it will say "Mid 20th century

 

[Passersby]

IMO I never really agreed to a lot of demon slayer calcs for one reason, the value we use for destruction of concrete are using modern concrete which was only used in Japan after the 1923 great kanto earthquake and were only implemented in normal buildings between 1933 and 1937 according to Wikipedia, while demon slayer took place between 1912-1926 so while there is a possibility that they used modern concrete, the chances are low at best and they where likely using a much more primative version than what is here today therefor making VS battle wikis destructive values for it incomparable IMO

this feels nitpicky for no reason, considering we have buildings like this, but from the sources i've managed to find your statement is only accurate when referencing reinforced concrete rather standard modern concrete since Japan began adopting Western building techniques and materials, including plain concrete since around the Meiji period starting in 1868

 

[Epyriel]

Japan had been using a form of concrete for a while what was far weaker than what we have today which is likely what that was.

Source? The principal method of making Portland concrete hasn’t drastically changed since the 1840s.

I used the 1933-1937 number because when I used Ctrl+F to find concrete it was the first thing to show up, but still the first thing that shows up whenever I search "when was concrete used in buildings in japan" or "Japan concrete usage" it will go back to the kanto earthquake of 1923 or it will say "Mid 20th century

The Kanto Earthquake and WW2 were the two main times when Japanese infrastructure got a major overhaul towards larger portions of brick and concrete in replacement of mostly wooden houses thanks to said houses being destroyed.

That does not mean concrete didn’t exist nor that it wasn’t used in smaller portions in Japan prior to these moments. The Japanese cement industry in fact began in the 1870s, over 40 years prior to the start of Demon Slayer, with widespread adoption beginning in 1890, over 20 year prior to the start of Demon Slayer.

I will remind you that the calc uses 80% wood for its destruction value, which is more than fair for the standards of the time (also even if we assumed 0% concrete or that the concrete in question was for some reason 10 times weaker than the accepted VSBW destruction value it wouldn’t change the tier).

 

[Rogue_Forge]

this feels nitpicky for no reason, considering we have buildings like this, but from the sources i've managed to find your statement is only accurate when referencing reinforced concrete rather standard modern concrete since Japan began adopting Western building techniques and materials, including plain concrete since around the Meiji period starting in 1868

Ok that one is fair for Tokyo and other larger cities, but the entertainment district is not only a much poorer district but also was shown to be mostly made of the traditional wood, paper and clay as well as brick and rocks. we directly see what the buildings are made of after the fight, you can see the destroyed houses and what you mostly see is 1. wood and 2. roofing tile (clay), on rewatch of the entertainment district arc, you can see that there is very little concrete ruble or earthy ruble of any kind.

also as Epyriel just stated it might not even matter as the calc used 80% wood for its destruction

 

[Passersby]

i did a bit more reading and the wiki sources state this in the bibliography section

1921 – Quantities of Materials for Concrete, D. A. Abrams en Stanton Walker (Recipes for concrete reporting its strength after 28 days of curing ranging from 2000 to 4000 psi).

granted the wiki doesn't link this so it might not be a thing, and i'm no mood to go checking and reading old ahh academic archives but this point is moot anyways

 

[Passersby]

also as Epyriel just stated it might not even matter as the calc used 80% wood for its destruction

...i mean yeah, it doesn't, i just found your point to be weird you literally said this

while there is a possibility that they used modern concrete, the chances are low at best and they where likely using a much more primative version

which is just empyrically wrong

now you're just moving the goalpost but i don't want to argue on something this pointless so kudos

 

[Rogue_Forge]

I will remind you that the calc uses 80% wood for its destruction value, which is more than fair for the standards of the time (also even if we assumed 0% concrete or that the concrete in question was for some reason 10 times weaker than the accepted VSBW destruction value it wouldn’t change the tier).

Yeah It wouldn't really change the tier so it is more of a nitpick, I'm pretty sure I mostly got ticked off because someone calced a feat comparing the area with modern day hong kong for some reason, anyways I still think the characters are at that Multi-city block - Town level tier but the differences in materials will often make differences

 

[Elizhaa]

The proposals look fine.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

Proposals here look good.

looks okay to me.

The proposals look fine.

Thank you all for your help!
I think 3 staff approvals should be enough to consider this CRT to be accepted. I guess the thread can be closed now.