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Devil May Cry - UES Revision

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Hello Everyone!​

Today's topic is one I’ve been meaning to address for ages but never quite found the time or motivation to—until now. As we all know, the verse features a Universal Energy System (UES) known as "Demonic Energy" which is detailed extensively on the main page. However, there’s a significant issue: it’s categorized as two separate types of energy. In my opinion, this distinction is completely unnecessary and flawed at its core.

So, let’s dive in and dismantle the idea of "Demon World Energy" as a standalone energy system:
Now if these points are not blatant enough I believe a remedy can be found in the contents of DMC Volume 2 which I believe is very direct how it spells out for its audience (in no uncertain terms) that Demonic Energy is the same as the energy which naturally emanates from the Demon world.
Also as an important note, one of the key members of the previous DMC supporter known as Tanin_iver in our DMs has given his remarks that it was already deemed by Lightning and his group who made the blog seemingly agreed later down the line that there really isn't any difference between both sets of energy soo like it they are agreeing themselves then I don't see any problem applying it if you ask me. You can tag and ask him for confirmation if you don't believe me.

Final Conclusion​

"So what can we conclude overall based on the information gathered here," you may be asking? Well it’s quite simple really:
  1. All Demons are fueled by Demonic Energy otherwise known as magical energy.
  2. This magic/magical energy is their life force.
  3. Magic/magical energy is the supernatural energy which emanates from the Underworld/Demon World’s environment.
  4. Demons derive energy from the magical energy in environments like the Underworld/Demonworld.
  5. No distinction is made between any variety of magical energy with Chen’s being the only exception and that’s due purely to the feeling of wicked blackness/malice that characterizes the Underworld/Demonworld/Demons with it still operating the same given how Chen’s and Dante’s energy interacts.
In short both Demon World Energy and Demonic Energy are one and the same via Occam's razor as there is no evidence to support an alternative interpretation which arbitrarily divides the two qualities in conversation whereas there is a large compilation of instances in which these two elements are portrayed as being the same in all relevant senses.

Addressing Potential Counter-Arguments​

Counter Argument: Alright but why was it labeled as different sets of energy to begin with?
Rebuttal: The previous group who made the blog had based it over this single fact and I quote:
Since as shown in DMC5, which makes clear that the Demonic Power (The regular one) comes from human blood, which completely contradicts DWE and DE being the same, since DWE existed ever since DMC's genesys, when Pluto separated the Worlds, and demons getting fraction of powers from DWE still doesn't make DE 4D, since they are getting only a tiny portion of that energy and not everything.
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Aside from the fact that it was been made ages ago and things have changed alot since then, this has to be one of the most absurd reasonings I’ve come across—no offense. The argument hinges on the fact that Qliphoth granting demons power by absorbing human blood, which is somehow supposed to prove that “Demon World Energy” is distinct because Demonic Energy from the Demon World already… existed? This logic is clearly flawed if it's not apparent enough and it also overlooks the broader context. Humanity, even through emotions alone, grants demons power—and vice versa. Humans and demons are dual opposites, and combining these opposing forces creates unprecedented power. (I’ll delve deeper into this concept in another thread when I get the chance.) Moreover, Demonic Energy at its core bends time and space, as evidenced by multiple examples. For instance, consider the random horse that gained temporal abilities just from exposure to Demon World miasma, or Dante transcending time by channeling his Demonic Energy into a machine and many more. In truth, these arguments feel like nothing more than self-made ideas trying to justify why the energy Demons are practically immersed in at every moment of their existence should be treated as something entirely different.

What is going to be changed?​

From a humble perspective, the abilities that is made specific to Demon World Energy needs to be either:

A) Given to Low Tier Demons on the Demon Physiology Page.
B) Make another section within Demon Physiology Page that deal with passives of Demonic Energy.

Whatever it is, we'll decide it ourselves later. Additionally, I want to replace the current Energy System blog with an altered one I made here. Also, shoutout to @Unoriginal777 for his amazing contribution here. I hope he will keep helping out and fix things back to normal!

Agree: @Planck69 @Dalesean027 @Theglassman12

Disagree:

Neutral:
 
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SuperSonicTL said:

Hello Everyone!​

Today's topic is one I’ve been meaning to address for ages but never quite found the time or motivation to—until now. As we all know, the verse features a Universal Energy System (UES) known as "Demonic Energy" which is detailed extensively on the main page. However, there’s a significant issue: it’s categorized as two separate types of energy. In my opinion, this distinction is completely unnecessary and flawed at its core.

So, let’s dive in and dismantle the idea of "Demon World Energy" as a standalone energy system:
Now if these points are not blatant enough I believe a remedy can be found in the contents of DMC Volume 2 which I believe is very direct how it spells out for its audience (in no uncertain terms) that Demonic Energy is the same as the energy which naturally emanates from the Demon world.
Also as an important note, one of the key members of the previous DMC supporter known as Tanin_iver in our DMs has given his remarks that it was already deemed by Lightning and his group who made the blog seemingly agreed later down the line that there really isn't any difference between both sets of energy soo like it they are agreeing themselves then I don't see any problem applying it if you ask me. You can tag and ask him for confirmation if you don't believe me.

Final Conclusion​

"So what can we conclude overall based on the information gathered here," you may be asking? Well it’s quite simple really:
  1. All Demons are fueled by Demonic Energy otherwise known as magical energy.
  2. This magic/magical energy is their life force.
  3. Magic/magical energy is the supernatural energy which emanates from the Underworld/Demon World’s environment.
  4. Demons derive energy from the magical energy in environments like the Underworld/Demonworld.
  5. No distinction is made between any variety of magical energy with Chen’s being the only exception and that’s due purely to the feeling of wicked blackness/malice that characterizes the Underworld/Demonworld/Demons with it still operating the same given how Chen’s and Dante’s energy interacts.
In short both Demon World Energy and Demonic Energy are one and the same via Occam's razor as there is no evidence to support an alternative interpretation which arbitrarily divides the two qualities in conversation whereas there is a large compilation of instances in which these two elements are portrayed as being the same in all relevant senses.

Addressing Potential Counter-Arguments​

Counter Argument: Alright but why was it labeled as different sets of energy to begin with?
Rebuttal: The previous group who made the blog had based it over this single fact and I quote:

Aside from the fact that it was been made ages ago and things have changed alot since then, this has to be one of the most absurd reasonings I’ve come across—no offense. The argument hinges on the fact that Qliphoth granting demons power by absorbing human blood, which is somehow supposed to prove that “Demon World Energy” is distinct because Demonic Energy from the Demon World already… existed? This logic is clearly flawed if it's not apparent enough and it also overlooks the broader context. Humanity, even through emotions alone, grants demons power—and vice versa. Humans and demons are dual opposites, and combining these opposing forces creates unprecedented power. (I’ll delve deeper into this concept in another thread when I get the chance.) Moreover, Demonic Energy at its core bends time and space, as evidenced by multiple examples. For instance, consider the random horse that gained temporal abilities just from exposure to Demon World miasma, or Dante transcending time by channeling his Demonic Energy into a machine and many more. In truth, these arguments feel like nothing more than self-made ideas trying to justify why the energy Demons are practically immersed in at every moment of their existence should be treated as something entirely different.

What is going to be changed?​

From a humble perspective, Deagonx's series of downgrades where he labeled some haxs as related to Demon World specifically needs to be either:

A) Given to Low Tier Demons on the Demon Physiology Page.
B) Make another section within Demon Physiology Page that deal with passives of Demonic Energy.

Whatever it is, we'll decide it ourselves later. Additionally, I want to replace the current Energy System blog with an altered one I made here. Also, shoutout to @Unoriginal777 for his amazing contribution here. I hope he will keep helping out and fix things back to normal!
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Thanks for the shoutout @SuperSonicTL, it is much appreciated and it was my pleasure to be able to engage with you on this endeavor. Overall, I see no sufficient reason why anyone would argue that magic emanating from the Demons themselves versus the Demon World can ever be diversified. The series makes it quite clear that all magic as an energy system operates similarly with little to no distinction (and going by the example of Chen any available distinction is irrelevant functionally speaking). Anyone trying to argue that the energies diversify on basis of different sources or names falls very much victim to non-sequitur, nominal fallacy, and the aforementioned occam's razor. Additionally, they'd have to apply this argument to the extreme to maintain consistency for said argument for creating multiplicity between magic types given the inherent problems with doing so on a solely source basis because you've already provided evidence of a clear equivalence relationship between all forms of magic regardless of source (i.e. one would have to start dividing the magic system not only based on overall source since the materials make it clear source alone won't cut it for going against equivalence, but from individual to individual which ultimately leads to absurdity) However, rather then complicate things a simple Occam's Razor to assert all magic types are the same in verse would make for a far more coherent stance leading to less instances of unnecessary multiplicity in favor of logical simplicity.
 
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