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Dispatch General Discussion Thread

What I'm confused about is what exactly he was trying to achieve by having her as a mole. So Shroud has her go (she said she quit after planting the bomb, but she either lied about that or just went back to him later) and join the Phoenix Program months before Robert is even conscious. Let's assume he just knew Robert was gonna end up working for SDN. While she's working there, she... doesn't really seem to do / achieve anything except sucking at her job and ending up the bottom of the leaderboard? Okay? Why do this?
I think shroud calculated Robert was going to end up working at SDN after Mecha-Man's destruction, had Visi join SDN, and wanted her to do something but she just ended up not doing it/Shroud didn't know how long Robert would have been out and Visi just naturally fell behind because she wasn't initially interested in actually doing any of the SDN stuff while Robert wasn't there.
 
I think shroud calculated Robert was going to end up working at SDN after Mecha-Man's destruction, had Visi join SDN, and wanted her to do something but she just ended up not doing it/Shroud didn't know how long Robert would have been out and Visi just naturally fell behind because she wasn't initially interested in actually doing any of the SDN stuff while Robert wasn't there.
That's the thing, what did he want her to do? Seduce Robert? Okay, but why? To get the Astral Pulse? Robert doesn't have it, doesn't know how to find it, and as far as Shroud knows (according to Royd to be fair, but we're never told anything that walks this back) it was destroyed.
 
That's the thing, what did he want her to do? Seduce Robert? Okay, but why? To get the Astral Pulse? Robert doesn't have it, doesn't know how to find it, and as far as Shroud knows (according to Royd to be fair, but we're never told anything that walks this back) it was destroyed.
He likely believed Robert would be trying to get the astral pulse and had Visi in there to try and give him the same info they had, so he was a step ahead. He likely knew the astral pulse wasn't destroyed by the time several other gangs blew themselves up and sold it to eachother.
 
Btw what are the character's currently scaling to? i've seen 9-A calcs but hasn't there been an 8-C or High 8-C calc? Tryna think of vsthreads i can write short stories about...
 
He likely believed Robert would be trying to get the astral pulse and had Visi in there to try and give him the same info they had, so he was a step ahead.
Maybe? But then wouldn't he have been wrong in that case? Robert made no effort to locate the original Astral Pulse once he started working for SDN, he just worked with Royd to try and make a new one. It was Visi's idea to try and find the original, and she didn't come up with that until Episode 6, by which point she had (seemingly) already betrayed Shroud, which would line up with him trying to kill her there, but not with her being a double agent for him the whole time unless you think they were just faking that or something.
He likely knew the astral pulse wasn't destroyed by the time several other gangs blew themselves up and sold it to each other.
But if he did know that ahead of time, why didn't he just go get it himself? (I hope none of this sounds too rude or argumentative, sorry).
 
Maybe? But then wouldn't he have been wrong in that case, then? Robert made no effort to locate the original Astral Pulse once he started working for SDN, he just worked with Royd to try and make a new one. It was Visi's idea to try and find the original, and she didn't come up with that until Episode 6, by which point she had (seemingly) already betrayed Shroud, which would line up with him trying to kill her there, but not with her being a double agent for him the whole time unless you think they were just faking that or something.
Shroud's power makes this discussion issue cuz how much can you really mock up to him being a computer making a crazy calculation and how of it is just "oh damn thats convenient?"

Shroud has shown he will blatantly lie and contradict what other people say. I don't think there will ever be a 'real' truthful explanation to why he really sent visi in (or if he really did)
But if he did know that ahead of time, why didn't he just go get it himself?
Ego perhaps? Maybe he was simply not prepared to get it at that point, and didn't have his mech ready atp and was still making the astral pulse we saw in his mech in episode 8? Maybe he really didn't know until Visi brought it up?
(I hope none of this sounds too rude or argumentative, sorry).
Nah it's good lol. This is fun.
 
Not a disqualifier. We already have been shown he can't calculate random chance and said info needs to be stuff he reasonably knows to accurately calculate the Z-Team's next moves.
He can calculate to know and move away from a flying door from an opponent he can't see with an inferior version, yet can't dodge a knife hit? Bruh.

It's just disappointing that I expected at least Heimdall (GoW) levels of precognition from a main antagonist with his MacGuffin.
 
Shroud's power makes this discussion issue cuz how much can you really mock up to him being a computer making a crazy calculation and how of it is just "oh damn thats convenient?"

Shroud has shown he will blatantly lie and contradict what other people say. I don't think there will ever be a 'real' truthful explanation to why he really sent visi in (or if he really did)
Yeah, I think the best way to look at it is to believe that he was talking out of his ass, there. Not that Visi never worked for him as a mole, just that she obviously isn't really doing so currently, regardless if she becomes a hero or villain. What was she doing as a mole in the first place? Don't worry about it lol
Maybe he really didn't know until Visi brought it up?
I'm gonna choose to believe that because I think it's funnier.
Nah it's good lol. This is fun.
🤝
 
Someone finally managed to explain where Invisigal's loyalties were, or at least make a timeline of her loyalties that I think makes the most sense. (Source) Warning: it's all one paragraph, so I broke it up here:
I spent hours building the whole storyline brick by brick and this is what i came up with. Sorry for the yap.

Visi was indeed a traitor and she worked for shroud but only till the end of episode 3. You know how she put a donut on robert’s desk and then came back to destroy it, its because at the very start she was supposed to flirt with robert and get closer to him. She was feeding all info about robert to shroud, thats how shroud at the end knows that beef is robert’s weakness. Also lightningstruck was shroud’s puppet, thats why visi disobeyed robert’s order in episode 2 so that lightningstruck could run away, because thats what shroud wanted, thats also the reason why she made that trap for malevola when mal was chasing lightningstruck. Shroud didnt want him to get caught. So she was fully worked for shroud feeding him everything she knows.

As we also know visi got the mechanism that helped her with her asthma, notice for how long she could be invisible holding her breath in the conference room with blonde blazer and robert. Thats because she was still working for shroud and he was making sure her asthma was better. Then the third fight with lightningstruck happened in a jewellery store, what a crazy coincidence that visi was right next to that store lightningstruck was gonna rob. Since visi was at the bottom of the leaderboard at that time she need to catch a bad guy to get points, thats when they probably planned with shroud that she would use lightningstruck to stay in z team because thats the inly way for shroud to know more about robert. After she catches him just like the way shroud wanted her to catch him, you can see how weird she feels when everyone is proud and happy for her. You can almost tell that she never felt someone being proud of her and happy for her. She never really felt loved. Thats when everything change.

The fact that she felt being loved, everyone was proud of her, robert’s pep talk about making your own destiny and that you are not your past, its actually the decisions you are making right now define who you are, all that changed her so much instantly that she wanted to feel that again, she wanted to feel like a hero, she wanted people to look at her like she is a hero. Thats also what she meant bh saying “i just wish you looked at me the way you look at blonde blazer”, she said that to robert in episode 7 in the lockers. You might think she was being jealous that robert loves bb more or something like that, what she actually meant is she wants robert to look at her like she is a hero, like she is a truly good person, like she can do good, like he looks at blonde blaze.

Then in episode 4 we have that freaky dream that i thought at the start was just freakiness for the sake of freakiness, but it actually shows how visi falls in love with robert and how she changes from being shroud’s puppet and now wanting to feel the way she felt when everyone were proud of her, she wanted to feel loved and wanted to feel like a hero. Basically that new feeling of other being proud of her, the feeling that robert truly believed in her, all that changed her. So after that she stops working for shroud (kinda), she still works for him but now everything she does is for the sake of z team and robert, but she still doesnt want shroud to know. Then in episode 5 when armstrong in the bar tells visi “someone wants to talk to you” probably means shroud started getting angry at her not feeding him any information anymore and not cooperating.

We also see that after episode 3 she cant be invisible for so long anymore, probably because shroyd stopped helping her with asthma since she stopped working for him. In episode 6 when she “remembered the similar explosions and asked royd to check energy levels around la” that sounds too scientific for visi, she probably knew the location from shroud. But she definitely wasnt supposed to tell it to robert, since she loved him and wanted to make up for all the pain and shit she has done to him, she then decided to help him and go solo. Thats why all the villains on the ship werent expecting to see her cos she was moving against shroud. So at this point she actually regretted everything she did to robert and wanted to make up for it and be a hero she always wanted to be. So at the end of episode 6 shroud genuinely wanted to kill her ass because she betrayed him.

Now idk why she didnt give astral pulse to robert, either she actually didnt want shroud to get it through robert or the reason royd found her in the same room where mecha suit was supposed to be is because she wanted to change the actual astral pulse with the prototype and give proto pulse to shroud like she was sorry for betraying shroud, but she actually wanted him to die because of that proto pulse. It never made sense for me when royd said “she tried to steal your mecha suit” in episode 8. Invisigal is not that smart to being able to use that suit anyway, the only possible reason she could be trying to find it is to swap it and give shroud the prototype since we all know prototype was already in the suit.

Now last bit, at the very end in sdn’s roof shroud bluffed when he said visi was working for him all this time, because he wanted robert to stop trusting her and be disappointed. In that case shroud knew how visi was going back and forth, so by saying that he thought he cut any possible way for visi to gain z-team’s trust again because no one would believe her denying shroud’s words. Then she wouldnt have any other option but to join red ring again and become shroud’s puppet again. But since we supported her and believed in her (if you did so you could get the good ending) and the fact that she loved us, instead of being a villain again she decided to do what robert taught her, what chase showed her, she didnt care if anyone would forgive her, all she wanted is to be a hero and feel like a hero and sacrifice herself for robert
 
He can calculate to know and move away from a flying door from an opponent he can't see with an inferior version, yet can't dodge a knife hit? Bruh.
He calculated when blonde blazer would arrive and how she'd enter, not how to dodge the door. You can see him turn his head before Blonde Blazer arrives at the door.

He's just a human who basically is told what the most probable outcomes are based off what he knows by a machine in his head. If he's wrong about something he objectively won't have the right outcome he wants. He clearly knew visi kept switching sides and assumed Visi was on his side in that moment after he destroyed visi's trust with Z-Team so he didn't calculate to react accordingly because as Robert said, Elliot hates making a gut decision and needs a machine to make it for him.

tldr; Shroud died to Visi because he's terrified of making his own decision without his augments, and when his calculation was wrong about visi's alignment he basically froze up and didn't make any choice.
 
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Invisigal is not that smart to being able to use that suit
I'm glad someone else said this. When Royd accused her of trying to steal the suit, I was just like, "Bro what are you talking about? She can't pilot that thing."

Do you think a toddler is going to steal your SUV just because they're holding the keys? To what end would she even be trying to steal it?
 
Then the third fight with lightningstruck happened in a jewellery store, what a crazy coincidence that visi was right next to that store lightningstruck was gonna rob. Since visi was at the bottom of the leaderboard at that time she need to catch a bad guy to get points, thats when they probably planned with shroud that she would use lightningstruck to stay in z team because thats the inly way for shroud to know more about robert
Wasn't Visi explicitly acting in ways to try and get herself booted from the program during that episode? Maybe Shroud planned that but it doesn't look like Invisigal was in on that.
 
Thats also what she meant bh saying “i just wish you looked at me the way you look at blonde blazer”, she said that to robert in episode 7 in the lockers. You might think she was being jealous that robert loves bb more or something like that, what she actually meant is she wants robert to look at her like she is a hero, like she is a truly good person, like she can do good, like he looks at blonde blaze.
What I find interesting is that there's actually two versions of that scene. One where she pretty explicitly says she wants to be seen as a hero like Blonde Blazer, and one that I believe is meant to be both in a heroic sense and romantically.

(I could swear I've seen that, at least. Please tell me that I'm not just making that up lol)
 
So damn, I just bought the game on PC to try and get comic scans since they ain't online and I know playstation blocks out screenshotting for that kind of thing usually...I didn't realize I needed to beat the entire game to get comic access so here we go, doing my own playthrough instead of what I watched on YT


Also I did calc Chase running to save invisigirl already and it got Mach 16 (Hypersonic+)
shouldnt be used. contracicted by prime barely being supersonic . the verse has too many contradictions for anyone outside of phenomeman and MAYBE blonde blazer (heavy maybe as contextually phenomemans supersonic flight is a bit faster then hers)
i genuinely hate how people make calcs of livi invisigal getting to hyper + when the story contardicts that level of scaling HEAVILY on almost every single account
not a single soul is supersonic or at best hypersonic outside of chase, blonde blazer and phenomeman. i hope the influx of fans can slow down to consider narrative and inverse debunks for half a second before throwing out the speed calcs
 
I prolly forgot if it was by any chance said, but was Mecha Man suit better then the original one blown up? Like stat wise or something, given Flambae could have cooked him even with the shield and Golem tanked the flames without an issue

The Z team could scale to the suit given two of them do, Flambae even took hits from the suit, also while it may not turn too impressive on its own visually, Robert survived an explosion that blew Mecha Man, he was knocked out for hours and has some visible injuries, but was overall good, despite being a powerless hero, the Z team members should all scale obviously above him
 
I prolly forgot if it was by any chance said, but was Mecha Man suit better then the original one blown up? Like stat wise or something, given Flambae could have cooked him even with the shield and Golem tanked the flames without an issue

The Z team could scale to the suit given two of them do, Flambae even took hits from the suit, also while it may not turn too impressive on its own visually, Robert survived an explosion that blew Mecha Man, he was knocked out for hours and has some visible injuries, but was overall good, despite being a powerless hero, the Z team members should all scale obviously above him
didnt royd claim hed upgrade the suit a few times? unless im misremembering. the suits explosion damage is inconsistent. it can get damaged and demolished to wall+ explosions but take small building attacks to flambae. the verse in general is heavily contradictory on multiple of its scaling stats. (speed and strength for the most part) but characters like flambae , malevola, golem and beast sonar should be low end small building.
visi, just straight up absolutly not. not prism nor base sonar , nor punch up honestly. he can barely even relevantly damage fodders.

the scaling is just abominable. blonde blazer whos a tip top tier was gonna die to like 30 augmented fodders who have no good scaling. its just that you can tell they didnt care about scaling at all
 
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Dont think Flambae hits him hard enough like his suit, he was still upset, but he also forgiven him, only time he actually was gonna deliver a deadly attack was when he wanted to burn him, Punch Up tbf he hits him in a weak spot and that hurts anyone, although i forgot he battles Toxic too, whom Mecha Man battled too

There seems to be more leaning towards Z team characters scaling to it, some have scaling to justify it as pointed, others needs to be looked at if they got any sort of scaling too, if not then the next best thing
 
Dont think Flambae hits him hard enough like his suit, he was still upset, but he also forgiven him, only time he actually was gonna deliver a deadly attack was when he wanted to burn him, Punch Up tbf he hits him in a weak spot and that hurts anyone, although i forgot he battles Toxic too, whom Mecha Man battled too

There seems to be more leaning towards Z team characters scaling to it, some have scaling to justify it as pointed, others needs to be looked at if they got any sort of scaling too, if not then the next best thing
So what do you think about 9-A dura? I'm not very clear
 
blonde blazer whos a tip top tier was gonna die to like 30 augmented fodders who have no good scaling
Keep in mind it's not simply 30 augmented goons, there were also the ones who have actual superpowers there too (such as the dragon guy or the former z-teamer that's present) who have their augments which makes their powers even stronger than usual - Also keep in mind that defeating the former z-teamer has the stats be maxed for all categories, which BB is a little short of.
 
So what do you think about 9-A dura? I'm not very clear
I would give it an at most if anything, mostly cuz he survived the explosion of the suit in ep 6, but not a straight up rating, Z members whom can harm him or similar should be scaling though

I also remember Sonar in base form knocked Robert out and punched him more while held hostage, his monster form even if augmented fought BB and Mecha Man suit
 
Robert 9-A in DURA?
Well, I've been working on dispatch profiles and I have a question about Mecha Man's profile. Flambae and Punch-Up are both Small building characters.
Flambae hit Mecha Man's armor (0.026060644 Tons of TNT), and Punch-Up easily defeated Toxic (0.0095669951 Tons of TNT). Both characters Harmed him, so Robert should be 9-A (In durability), but this seems like an exaggeration. What do you think?
punch up didnt deafeat him. just kept abusing a weak spot and the dude was fine in the end after a minute or 2.
robert shouldnt be above wall level but punch up being low end small building is fine. or wall lvl. i dont mind either.
 
Keep in mind it's not simply 30 augmented goons, there were also the ones who have actual superpowers there too (such as the dragon guy or the former z-teamer that's present) who have their augments which makes their powers even stronger than usual - Also keep in mind that defeating the former z-teamer has the stats be maxed for all categories, which BB is a little short of.
the point is agian. superpowers or not. they are outright RANDOM supervillains. one of them base robert oculd react and dodge a fire breath from. and sonar and coup can individually beat in both scenarios singlehandedly

the stats are cool and all but agian. 0 actual relevant showings. at most above x person. so she again caps at small building at best.

punch up didnt defeat toxin. toxin was just fine a few minutes later after he kept getting hit in a weak spot.

i think the current non metaman peak is blonde blazer
stats: supersonic (low/mid end)
ap; small building
dura; small building
range: multiple dozen meters

the rest:
considerably below supersonic at best transonic to high subsonic
dura: wall + to small building
same with ap
range varies

visi shouldnt scale to them in ap or anything , nor should base sonar.
so at best visi is wall level
subsonic/transonic (highley pushing while ignoring inverse debunks)
and wall level + dura.

if she was that fast. shed just pure blitz them. if her light attacks were actually lightspeed shed be able to blitz subsonic /transonic goons effortlessly. but she isnt able to even with roberts life on the line.

id love to see a vs between her and a few lookism characters. would be interesting but im not really aware how to start that.
if i were to pick a specific matchup id go. elite or james lee vs blonde blazer or vs mechaman
i love matchups like that. i think james would take it but id love to have discussions ons said topic
 
the point is agian. superpowers or not. they are outright RANDOM supervillains. one of them base robert oculd react and dodge a fire breath from. and sonar and coup can individually beat in both scenarios singlehandedly

the stats are cool and all but agian. 0 actual relevant showings. at most above x person. so she again caps at small building at best.

punch up didnt defeat toxin. toxin was just fine a few minutes later after he kept getting hit in a weak spot.

i think the current non metaman peak is blonde blazer
stats: supersonic (low/mid end)
ap; small building
dura; small building
range: multiple dozen meters

the rest:
considerably below supersonic at best transonic to high subsonic
dura: wall + to small building
same with ap
range varies

visi shouldnt scale to them in ap or anything , nor should base sonar.
so at best visi is wall level
subsonic/transonic (highley pushing while ignoring inverse debunks)
and wall level + dura.
I'll be totally honest, the way you be speaking don't sound like you talkin in good faith... Might wanna work on that
 
I'll be totally honest, the way you be speaking don't sound like you talkin in good faith... Might wanna work on that
ok yeah i get told that i sound really argumentative alot. mysincere bad on that. but what im trying to say is. theres just quite a bit of. wonky? vs scaling
like its kind of strange that blonde blazer. a top 2 hero isnt able to take down some augmented supervillains or at times even kind of struggled with upgraded sonar?
sorry for coming off wrong

the specific thing i find the weirdest is. shrouds prediction being fairly inconsistent but op at the same time. considering hes just a augmented dude aswell, he was perciving people that should be within supersonic/transonic ranges. idk if thats a augmented human or just shroud upscale interms of reaction
 
shouldnt be used. contracicted by prime barely being supersonic . the verse has too many contradictions for anyone outside of phenomeman and MAYBE blonde blazer (heavy maybe as contextually phenomemans supersonic flight is a bit faster then hers)
Bro isn't barely Supersonic he clears Supersonic even his low end statement has him at worst 500m/s with the lowest interpretation yet he has feats of perception blitzing dudes over large distances. Even the bullet thing he outspeeds when not even being ready for initially and having to hurry to accelerate at the last second hardly an anti-feat especially since he has to active his speed beforehand and doesn't naturally just have top speed reactions otherwise.

i genuinely hate how people make calcs of livi invisigal getting to hyper + when the story contardicts that level of scaling HEAVILY on almost every single account
not a single soul is supersonic or at best hypersonic outside of chase, blonde blazer and phenomeman. i hope the influx of fans can slow down to consider narrative and inverse debunks for half a second before throwing out the speed calcs
For the rest of the cast I do agree they shouldn't touch this level of speed as well but can you not be so pretentious in tone and pretend to be better than other users here on the site
 
Robert 9-A in DURA?
Well, I've been working on dispatch profiles and I have a question about Mecha Man's profile. Flambae and Punch-Up are both Small building characters.
Flambae hit Mecha Man's armor (0.026060644 Tons of TNT), and Punch-Up easily defeated Toxic (0.0095669951 Tons of TNT). Both characters Harmed him, so Robert should be 9-A (In durability), but this seems like an exaggeration. What do you think?
Make the verse page a sandbox so others can edit it because there are things that need a fix here
 
ok yeah i get told that i sound really argumentative alot. mysincere bad on that. but what im trying to say is. theres just quite a bit of. wonky? vs scaling
like its kind of strange that blonde blazer. a top 2 hero isnt able to take down some augmented supervillains or at times even kind of struggled with upgraded sonar?
sorry for coming off wrong

Bro isn't barely Supersonic he clears Supersonic even his low end statement has him at worst 500m/s with the lowest interpretation yet he has feats of perception blitzing dudes over large distances. Even the bullet thing he outspeeds when not even being ready for initially and having to hurry to accelerate at the last second hardly an anti-feat especially since he has to active his speed beforehand and doesn't naturally just have top speed reactions otherwise.


For the rest of the cast I do agree they shouldn't touch this level of speed as well but can you not be so pretentious in tone and pretend to be better than other users here on the site
Bro isn't barely Supersonic he clears Supersonic even his low end statement has him at worst 500m/s with the lowest interpretation yet he has feats of perception blitzing dudes over large distances. Even the bullet thing he outspeeds when not even being ready for initially and having to hurry to accelerate at the last second hardly an anti-feat especially since he has to active his speed beforehand and doesn't naturally just have top speed reactions otherwise.
uh yeah i get where you are coming from. the only contention i have are feats of his prime , for example with roberts dad where he slightly outpaces the bullet. im completely fine with chase being high or mid end supersonic.
hes alraedy in a ready running position by the time the bullet is one head distence away from him. all thing accounted hes at best like 2 times faster then the bullet from a rough estimate.
from what we even see in the game. its kind of like when hes in the pose he can go 0 to 100. and he was already in the pose when it wasnt too far away

again i do apologize for coming off pretentious. genuinely didnt mean to. arguing with discord goons rubbed off on me the wrong way, but i dont recall pretending to be better then anyone here or on the website. theres hundreads of people better at scaling and calcs then me, you are one of them too, like you are legit a calc member, im very aware you are better at this then me
 
also curious if anyone would be willing to have a vs discussion about some similar ish characters between dispatch and lookism. iv personallynever made a versus thread so idk where to start

another question. i dont remember robert having feats of dura outside the mech explosion. does him taking a hit from punch up count? id personally count that ,
 
i think the current non metaman peak is blonde blazer
stats: supersonic (low/mid end)
ap; small building
dura; small building
range: multiple dozen meters
Ngl Blazer, Mechaman, and Phenomaman should all be higher than 9-A as they are the ones most relative shrouds Mech which could with its lasers partly disperse some clouds and send Phenomaman to space at MHS speeds which would be like 8-B KE

I'll handle the calcs later today for those

Prisms shields would also scale at most since they could block the initial impacts of them before breaking
 
Ngl Blazer, Mechaman, and Phenomaman should all be higher than 9-A as they are the ones most relative shrouds Mech which could with its lasers partly disperse some clouds and send Phenomaman to space at MHS speeds which would be like 8-B KE

Prisms shields would also scale at most since they could block the initial impacts of them before breaking
ehhhh. kind of iffy? we also have to consider that
specificall for blonde blazer. she can die to mid tier, but augmented supervillains. so her durability cant the that much exponentially higher in the end.
i can see an argument for he ap being higher then her durability by a decent margin.

im not really aweare of how blocking scaling works but scince the shield gets fully broken shouldnt it invalidate its durability scale?
or does it scale to it scince it eventually does still stop the projectile.

phenomeman is more logically above everyone in the verse. as of onscreen feats.
blonde blazer doesnt have ap showings of above small building
id see her taking more damage if we can scale the blast shroud hit her with. but it didnt apear to send her far or do much surrounding area damage.
phenomeman could easily be 8b tho. i dont recall the exact feat but hes never really injured by anything.
could him squeezing shrouds mech count as a LS feat? i think it should

also could you give me tips on how to start a vs thread between charctes? first time doing something like that

consistency wise. verse could be 9a/9a+ for certain characters with phenomagoat being the pinnacle.
 
ehhhh. kind of iffy? we also have to consider that
specificall for blonde blazer. she can die to mid tier, but augmented supervillains. so her durability cant the that much exponentially higher in the end.
i can see an argument for he ap being higher then her durability by a decent margin
Mid Tier? None of the fodder there were putting her down but Shroud's top guys like enhanced Coupe and Sonar both go blow for blow with Mechaman and require him and Blazer to 2v1 them to stand a chance, even in stat checks they require maxed out stats and she in this would be taking on his entire gang plus shroud himself so no real anti-feats there.

im not really aweare of how blocking scaling works but scince the shield gets fully broken shouldnt it invalidate its durability scale?
or does it scale to it scince it eventually does still stop the projectile.
That's why its at most, it still stopped the impact but could ONLY do that before breaking, if it didn't stop it at all and just slammer right through it hitting her that would be different but it didn't.
blonde blazer doesnt have ap showings of above small building
She's comparable to enhanced sonar and coupé who require Mechaman to team up against them to defeat and is one of the only people to withstand Shroud's laser and land solid blows on him
 
Mid Tier? None of the fodder there were putting her down but Shroud's top guys like enhanced Coupe and Sonar both go blow for blow with Mechaman and require him and Blazer to 2v1 them to stand a chance, even in stat checks they require maxed out stats and she in this would be taking on his entire gang plus shroud himself so no real anti-feats there.


That's why its at most, it still stopped the impact but could ONLY do that before breaking, if it didn't stop it at all and just slammer right through it hitting her that would be different but it didn't.

She's comparable to enhanced sonar and coupé who require Mechaman to team up against them to defeat and is one of the only people to withstand Shroud's laser and land solid blows on him
i get what you mean yeah. but the way they framed it was a numbers game
not a 1 relevant opponent with 20 mid tiers vs bb
the numbers were put forward as relevant even tho yes i agree coupe/sonar would play a big role

i agree on the shield

i get that, but what i mean is. almost nothing mentioned maybe besides shrouds laser (i also doubt every laser is the same potency cuz its shown doing very different levels of damage) scale above small building. like yes she could scale to someone that has higher lvl small building scaling but what i ment is that she doesnt have destruction feats of her own.

i think the solidest version is : 9a+
supersonic
9a+ dura
dozens of meters of range.
 
also could you give me tips on how to start a vs thread between charctes? first time doing something like that

Just go here and click post thread then make one using the characters of interest
 
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