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DMC downgrade... again?

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So, the current demon physiology is absolute garbage has a section called "passive" for demons which are things done by the demon world.

Why demons have things the demon world does as their abilities? Demons never do those, why do they have it?

Then we have another problem, more than half of those abilities were debunked by Deagon so I don't understand why they are even there. Yes, I know I made threads to revert deagon's actions but still, those were made recently while the "passives" were added long ago before I made my threads.

My proposal, demons should not have the same abilities as the demon world, there is no reason for demons to have it, thus they should have only things demons have shown to do. Demon world abilities should stay with the demon world or demons that bring it with them (Void Mundus and Argosax).

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Yep, it always confused me why Demons had those abilities in the first place
 
the physiology page is like very outdated iirc, and idk if its ever gonna be revised or changed. I think it would be better to ignore it until someone updates the whole page (it is a pretty bad one)
 
Ain't these things already covered in this thread of yours?

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DMC update 1

The point of this thread is very simple and that is to change/fix the current demon physiology page for a better looking and updated version. The changes and updates come from the following accepted threads: https://vsbattles.com/threads/dmc-downgrade-again.185262/...
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The demon world's effects do mean demons resist those things though.
 
Random-Helper323 said:
The demon world's effects do mean demons resist those things though.
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Some of it should be still be looked at, I don't think Demons would resist some of the Corruption things since that basically just turns things into Demons, and Demons not being transformerd into Demons shouldn't count as a resistance imo
 
Drite77 said:
Some of it should be still be looked at, I don't think Demons would resist some of the Corruption things since that basically just turns things into Demons, and Demons not being transformerd into Demons shouldn't count as a resistance imo
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It warps people and even inanimate objects in general, for example what's to stop it from warping one type of demon into a different kind? It also warps humans into stone and trees. The complete lack of effect indicates resistance still.
 
Random-Helper323 said:
It warps people and even inanimate objects in general, for example what's to stop it from warping one type of demon into a different kind? It also warps humans into stone and trees. The complete lack of effect indicates resistance still.
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I find it too much of a stretch, Demons are similar in nature, I don't know why they would be resistant of being transformed into another type of demon. The stoen and trees aren't just transmutation though?
 
Drite77 said:
I find it too much of a stretch, Demons are similar in nature, I don't know why they would be resistant of being transformed into another type of demon. The stoen and trees aren't just transmutation though?
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It transmuted a normal stone into a magic one, so it works on inanimate objects too. Are you just talking about the corruption into demons or all of it? We even literally see Dante have to adapt to the demon world's presence, and the novel describes fear just from being near demons.
 
TheTenno07 said:
Ain't these things already covered in this thread of yours?

vsbattles.com

DMC update 1

The point of this thread is very simple and that is to change/fix the current demon physiology page for a better looking and updated version. The changes and updates come from the following accepted threads: https://vsbattles.com/threads/dmc-downgrade-again.185262/...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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nope, hence why I made this thread

also the last one got derailed hard

Maniaunavailable said:
the physiology page is like very outdated iirc, and idk if its ever gonna be revised or changed. I think it would be better to ignore it until someone updates the whole page (it is a pretty bad one)
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yeah, that's me

I'm the guy updating it

Apotheosis69 said:
Would Sparda Physiology have those Passives?
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no one outside of Argosax and Void Mundus should get them

Drite77 said:
Some of it should be still be looked at, I don't think Demons would resist some of the Corruption things since that basically just turns things into Demons, and Demons not being transformerd into Demons shouldn't count as a resistance imo
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as of right now what you think is irrelevant, make a thread for it if you want but don't bring up stuff that isn't related to the main point of the OP, I don't want another derailed thread

Random-Helper323 said:
The demon world's effects do mean demons resist those things though.
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yes, I'm not saying they don't resist those, I'm just saying Demons should not have the same powers and abilities the demon world has shown

if they have similar powers because of their own feats then good for them, otherwise they don't get anything
 
I agree for the most part. Demons get resistances to all the DW passives while they themselves need not possess them as they haven't demonstrated all of them. They would obviously qualify if they demonstrate some of them independently.
 
No more "Passive Time Travel"? Hard disagree with these revi -- wait, I made that joke already...

Anyway, yeah, most of that should go. Probably keep most of that as resistances, but only if it seems in alignment to standard procedure to say that those effects in general are to be resisted, as opposed to only "those effects, DMC Demonic Energy edition" only. I think the former is how we tend to do things here, though.

I also think that Law Manipulation should be just gone (that Beastheads bit is way too flowery to count for that ability imo), same with Time Travel (which should be an ability for Argosax but probably not apply to anyone else in any capacity).

Maaaybe keep Space-Time Manip/Time Stop as a resistance -- Dante's Time stuff is layered to some degree anyway -- but that DMC2 guidebook isn't a good citation for it, would be better to fish up some quotes wrt DMC3's Demon World's spacetime being wack if they're as relevant as I recall.
 
Yeah, unless those abilities were added back somewhere after Deagonx thread, remove them
 
I agree with the thread.


Follow_Doctor_Freeman said:
I also think that Law Manipulation should be just gone (that Beastheads bit is way too flowery to count for that ability imo)
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I disagree. The statement is literally "What would happen if Creatures that do not follow the Laws of the World..."
And then ends with "We are about to find out."

Linking Demons, very clearly, to the question. So they don't follow the Laws of the World. Now, everything else I agree with.
 
Well, I know I don't have much to add since Leph activated MFTL+ mode but...


...Yeap, agree with the OP
 
Go for it.
 
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