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DMC Downgrade... kinda

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As many have seen, these past days some people made a thread about a mobile game we all are familiar with thanks to the endless controversies pertaining its existence.

As of right now, they have applied said thread to the profiles without any real justification but the real problem lies on the nature of the game. I'll attempt to explain the mobile game, it's main and side stories and why it should not scale to our profiles.

What is Peak of Combat

As explained in the official discord server: It's "a mobile action RPG based on Capcom’s Devil May Cry franchise, featuring familiar characters, stylish combat, and gacha mechanics. Officially licensed by Capcom and developed by NebulaJoy." However they also explain that this game is NOT connected to the main DMC series' story.

As many of you know Peak of Combat or PoC for short, had a troubled development with the original 1.0 - 1.4 versions until the untimely end and subsequent release of the 2.0 versions.

PoC 1.0 had all sort of canon labels as explained in one of the original 1.0 threads that was made when we were under the impression of the fake scans being real. Now if you go the site or you check the links used in the thread, they are blank or the description has changed to basically being a game that tries to reproduce DMC for mobiles.

From what I understand, the team from capcom that was present during the supervision was there for the 1.0 version. Here is the original description for the 1.0 versions which can't be found anywhere for the Global/2.0 version.


PoC's original story

PoC original story added a lot of things, including a new original story for Vergil shortly after his defeat by Dante in DMC3.

The 2.0 version of the game reuses part of the original story from the defunct 1.0 version, however it is incomplete, landing at 14 missions and several cutscenes being deleted when the original had 18 missions and a story that was actually coherent.

To summarize 2.0 PoC story: During a demonic invasion Dante is hired to protect a relic (The Book of Demons) and at the same time he has to find clues about Vergil who seems to be alive and out of hell but in reality it is Plutone trying to lure Dante to the seal that holds Medea in order to free her. At the end Plutone and Medea escape through a portal that shows Vergil. This is later expanded on the side stories as Vergil is actually alive, okay and not under Mundus control and to top it all of making deals with Plutone for unknown reasons.

There are many side stories and making an essay explaining all of them and their connections will take time so here is a summary I made long ago.

As it should be obvious, the story is wildly different from what we know from main canon DMC, hence why they explicitly said its NOT connected to the main DMC stories.


What does this mean for scaling?

Obviously this parallel universe should not be used to scale the main DMC profiles. In, lets say "canon", there are no feats that come close to what Hellfilth is doing (collapsing the multiverse), not only that but they also lack the range to reach parallel universes.

In "canon" the only time someone has been able to contact or reach parallel universes has been when the Beastheads banished Dante and Beryl into a parallel universe in which Mundus killed Sparda and took over the world. Chen for his part has only cosmic awareness wanting to see beyond all possible dimension and time which is a far cry from what Hellfilth did.

To make it short, just like the parallel universe from Volume 2, anything that is "common" to demons should be able to cross scale to main DMC's demonic energy as long as it isn't contradictory but specific powers, abilities or tiers should not as obviously we don't scale characters to alternative universes counterparts (Trish and Mundus as examples of this).

PoC Characters should get their own profiles if people want to make them but it shouldn't scale to main. That's all, have a good day.


Agree: 2 (Qawsedf234, Vietthai96)

Disagree:

Neutral/Undecided: 1 (DarkDragonMedeus)
 
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Easy agree, this should've been done ages ago really
Like I explained, originally it was meant to be an actual sequel/prequel of the series. A canon entry, but after a lot of things it ended up being this alternative universe ala Vol2.

Hence why no one made a thread for it
 
To make it short, just like the parallel universe from Volume 2, anything that is "common" to demons should be able to cross scale to main DMC's demonic energy as long as it isn't contradictory but specific powers, abilities or tiers should not as obviously we don't scale characters to alternative universes counterparts (Trish and Mundus as examples of this).
If the canon is non-canon/one way canon even Demon abilities wouldn't back scale. What happens there just doesn't affect the main DMC at all without a direct statement about equivalence.

Other than that, removing the scaling looks fine.
 
If the canon is non-canon/one way canon even Demon abilities wouldn't back scale. What happens there just doesn't affect the main DMC at all without a direct statement about equivalence.
What I meant is, it uses the same concepts as the main DMC story (demonic energy mainly) hence why I thought it should scale like how Castlevania and Lords of Shadows cross-scale.

But it's fine by me if we keep it completely separated.
 
Like I explained, originally it was meant to be an actual sequel/prequel of the series. A canon entry, but after a lot of things it ended up being this alternative universe ala Vol2.

Hence why no one made a thread for it
Yeah ik, it just looks funny how the 2-A scaling didn't even get to live for 2 days lol
 
Yeah ik, it just looks funny how the 2-A scaling didn't even get to live for 2 days lol
The funny thing is, I started picking the scans a while ago because I had already told the DMC guys I would make this. It lasted 2 days because they changed the tiers, told no one and I only learned like 1 hour ago it happened because of a friend.
 
Anyways, I'll leave this draft here I prepared awhile back because I already expected "someone" will point this out but I'll come back tomorrow for more:

Okay so let's start from this thread. As you can see, Peak of Combat mobile game recently got a blatant 2-A feat which is accepted here. There was no Paradox involved, the Multiverse is accepted to operate according to Many-Worlds Interpretation with supporting evidence from mainline series that has shown 2-A abilities and range as a whole.

However, the nuances with this game is that it's considered a parallel timeline where there is no paradox involved in the main story and is neither 100% nor 0% canon and we need to play it to figure out why that's the case. This is later proven again recently that it's part of the official franchise whose plot is officially authorized by Capcom and the licensed game has story which is alternate from main one. Moreover, the first Demon God Pluto who Mundus slain in original Devil May Cry is still alive in this game which shouldn't be the case.

Now, Peak of Combat is a game that is worked on by director of the original series (Itsuno), Capcom Team (the company that created original Devil May Cry) with cooperation of Peak of Combat directors and devs:

This is the quality of this game given as:
  1. Devil May Cry is the only authorized and official game approved by Capcom, inherited the worldview of original Devil May Cry and it's official merchandise was also approved by Capcom.
  2. Peak of Combat is developed and released by NebulaJoy Games and authorized by Capcom.
  3. The director of original Devil May Cry game and company was heavily involved in the making process of the game alongside NebulaJoy to ensure it is consistent with the original world building. Also claiming that NebulaJoy is very researched about the original work & wish to expand more region and more places around the world.
It should be noted very clearly that the intent behind the game was to be as consistent to world building of Devil May Cry as possible—pointed out in the original play store description:
In order to maintain the consistent worldview of the Devil May Cry series
Featuring characters from the multiple Devil May Cry series, revisit countless iconic scenes from the world of Devil May Cry.
So really, you’re just being nitpicky for no reason. Almost everyone disagrees with you in the other server. It’s like saying Dante suddenly eats a strawberry sundae instead of pizza and somehow that means the scaling jumps from 2-C to 2-A which is a clear cut logical fallacy?

Besides, the Beastheads clearly showed 2-A range of abilities and they were a product of OG Mundus’ power. Alternate timelines was already a thing in OG series and even the reboot—despite being so different—is still considered a parallel world to canon DMC... Like scratch that for a moment.
 
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You do realize that QaA is from 2023, right? The most recent post they have made is from 2025 and none of that information can be found in the most recent official posts, not to mention said information is practically carried over from what 1.0 originally had.

Not to mention, one of the QaA you use are the exact same I'm using which says the game is not connected to main series.
Now, Peak of Combat is a game that is worked on by director of the original series (Itsuno), Capcom Team (the company that created original Devil May Cry) with cooperation of Peak of Combat directors and devs:

This is the quality of this game given as:
  1. Devil May Cry is the only authorized and official game approved by Capcom, inherited the worldview of original Devil May Cry and it's official merchandise was also approved by Capcom.
  2. Peak of Combat is developed and released by NebulaJoy Games and authorized by Capcom.
  3. The director of original Devil May Cry game and company was heavily involved in the making process of the game alongside NebulaJoy to ensure it is consistent with the original world building. Also claiming that NebulaJoy is very researched about the original work & wish to expand more region and more places around the world.
It should be noted very clearly that the intent behind the game was to be as consistent to world building of Devil May Cry as possible—pointed out in the original play store description:
1 & 2) All of this means they got the license from Capcom to develop the game, not that it is relevant to the main series, which they explicitly say its not part of said main series.

3) This doesn't change the fact that it has nothing to do with the main story.
So really, you’re just being nitpicky for no reason. Almost everyone disagrees with you in the other server. It’s like saying Dante suddenly eats a strawberry sundae instead of pizza and somehow that means the scaling jumps from 2-C to 2-A which is a clear cut logical fallacy?
This is irrelevant.
Besides, the Beastheads clearly showed 2-A range and they were a product of Mundus’ power. Alternate timelines was already a thing in OG series and even the reboot—despite being so different—is still considered a parallel world to canon DMC... Like scratch that for a moment.
As I addressed in the OP:

Range =/= power (getting knowledge of the multiverse and beyond isn't the same as nuking the multiverse and beyond)

Creating something =/= having the same powers (just because Mundus created the BH doesn't mean he gets their powers)

Parallel universes do NOT scale to main ones (case on point, the reboot doesn't scale to DMC3 nor Trish or Mundus scale to Volume 2 Trish or Volume 2 Mundus)



You didn't bring anything relevant and I have nothing else to say, all the important information is in the OP.
 
You do realize that QaA is from 2023, right? The most recent post they have made is from 2025 and none of that information can be found in the most recent official posts, not to mention said information is practically carried over from what 1.0 originally had.
I know that mate considering I was right there with you on this journey. That being said, you should also know that PoC 2.0 was already a thing back then and was in its beta phase before it is launched globally. The statement there came from live stream Q&A—not from that website. You can't mess around with 1.0 mumbo jumbo here. I never talked about that throughout my whole justifications.

Not to mention, one of the QaA you use are the exact same I'm using which says the game is not connected to main series.
Yes, and that means it is a parallels timeline. Stop bending the scans to your justifications.

1 & 2) All of this means they got the license from Capcom to develop the game, not that it is relevant to the main series, which they explicitly say its not part of said main series.
3) This doesn't change the fact that it has nothing to do with the main story.
Do you even understand the definition of non-canon? Hell, it wasn't even stated to be non-canon, just that it is not 100% canon which anyone who can read here sees it having its own merit to original work.

This is irrelevant.

As I addressed in the OP:
You addressed nothing, pal. You just said it is not canon to main timeline and went on about how it is not possible to cross scale because vibes.

Range =/= power (getting knowledge of the multiverse and beyond isn't the same as nuking the multiverse and beyond)
Still an indication that they already posses the ability to effect infinite multiverse before Helfilth was even a thing. Sure, there is no indication he has that power but there is also no justification that he can't have it. The only thing we can say for sure is that he already has the capability that spans across all timelines.

Why do you think I put it there very bluntly that Beastheads stuff is just "supporting" evidence on the original thread?

Creating something =/= having the same powers (just because Mundus created the BH doesn't mean he gets their powers)
Remember how names works? Remember how DE works? Are you trying to retreat from your stance regarding universe creation feat for Mundus?

Parallel universes do NOT scale to main ones (case on point, the reboot doesn't scale to DMC3 nor Trish or Mundus scale to Volume 2 Trish or Volume 2 Mundus)
After ignoring my scans, sure. You are clearly true after disregarding everything I pointed there regarding the official company and the director of the original series claiming how consistent it is and how researched NebulaJoy was in their development phase of this game.

You didn't bring anything relevant and I have nothing else to say, all the important information is in the OP.
There was nothing significant in the OP, mate. That’s just arguing for the sake of it.
 
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nor Trish or Mundus scale to Volume 2 Trish or Volume 2 Mundus)
That's cuz Trish is amped version of main timeline one by void mundus. And void.mundus is a mega evolved mundus who became a void.

On the contrary we scale void to main timeline and void timeline generals to main timeline.

Reboot isnt scaled due to the history being completly different down to how demons are. Poc dante is just post dmc3 dante

This all inma say for now.
 
Anyways, I'll leave this draft here I prepared awhile back because I already expected "someone" will point this out but I'll come back tomorrow for more:

Okay so let's start from this thread. As you can see, Peak of Combat mobile game recently got a blatant 2-A feat which is accepted here. There was no Paradox involved, the Multiverse is accepted to operate according to Many-Worlds Interpretation with supporting evidence from mainline series that has shown 2-A abilities and range as a whole.

However, the nuances with this game is that it's considered a parallel timeline where there is no paradox involved in the main story and is neither 100% nor 0% canon and we need to play it to figure out why that's the case. This is later proven again recently that it's part of the official franchise whose plot is officially authorized by Capcom and the licensed game has story which is alternate from main one. Moreover, the first Demon God Pluto who Mundus slain in original Devil May Cry is still alive in this game which shouldn't be the case.

Now, Peak of Combat is a game that is worked on by director of the original series (Itsuno), Capcom Team (the company that created original Devil May Cry) with cooperation of Peak of Combat directors and devs:

This is the quality of this game given as:
  1. Devil May Cry is the only authorized and official game approved by Capcom, inherited the worldview of original Devil May Cry and it's official merchandise was also approved by Capcom.
  2. Peak of Combat is developed and released by NebulaJoy Games and authorized by Capcom.
  3. The director of original Devil May Cry game and company was heavily involved in the making process of the game alongside NebulaJoy to ensure it is consistent with the original world building. Also claiming that NebulaJoy is very researched about the original work & wish to expand more region and more places around the world.
It should be noted very clearly that the intent behind the game was to be as consistent to world building of Devil May Cry as possible—pointed out in the original play store description:


So really, you’re just being nitpicky for no reason. Almost everyone disagrees with you in the other server. It’s like saying Dante suddenly eats a strawberry sundae instead of pizza and somehow that means the scaling jumps from 2-C to 2-A which is a clear cut logical fallacy?

Besides, the Beastheads clearly showed 2-A range of abilities and they were a product of OG Mundus’ power. Alternate timelines was already a thing in OG series and even the reboot—despite being so different—is still considered a parallel world to canon DMC... Like scratch that for a moment.
In adding onto my friend @SuperSonicTL's remark, I would like to clarify further the magnitude of @Tony_di_bugalu's grave error in his evaluation of the DMC multiverse and it's inner workings. To recall, in DMC Volume 2 we learn pretty quickly that the multiverse is contingent on alternative possibilities wherein the world has taken an alternate path. Now as of consequence the changes themselves can range from insanely different to minor in relation to the main timeline. To demonstrate this in practice we'll start with the farthest timeline from the mainline demonstrable (at this time) which is none other then the reboot where instead of the state of existence giving rise to a Demonworld and eventually a Humanworld a new existence takes hold wherein a Heaven, Hell, Limbo, and Humanworld take hold. Obviously, this timeline presents a complete departure from the worldview of the main timeline and thus makes it impossible for the events therein to be followed in any real manner.

Now with the farthest possibility established and moving a bit closer inwards we have the Volume 2 Novel which while more close to consistency in its worldview with DMC mainline (i.e. cosmology and UES), it differs greatly in events in that humans poison Sparda and betray him which in turn leads to a whole cascade of separate events that make the progression of the mainline titles and secondary materials absolutely impossible. Thus, this to would also be an example of a timeline with an inconsistent worldview.

However, closer than even the alternate timeline is the PoC timeline wherein the events of the canon games/overall series both proceed after and precedes the events of PoC which itself present the only divergence mentionable. What this means is that the only difference as far as an alternative possibility in the official DMC multiverse, is just that, the unique events that occurred in PoC as outside of these events the timeline is exactly the same as the main one without paradox whatsoever. Now what does this mean for scaling you may ask? Well that's simple, as because 3 takes place before and 1 after in exactly the same fashion as the mainline there's no justification for Dante's scaling to increase by an order of magnitude, let alone a magnitude of infinity at that if 1's events are to remain utterly consistent in both this and the main timeline. This is without even touching on how the PoC development team feel at liberty to classify PoC timeline Plutone the same as his main timeline counterpart which ties the universes together more and more.

Overall, the only way to argue that @Tony_di_bugalu's proposition can be possible is to present evidence that PoC is an entirely separate continuity from DMC's canon multiverse (which the scans provided in both my and @SuperSonicTL's remarks render something of an impossibility) akin to how you'd treat MVC on the wiki or the SMT and more recent PGR crossovers. This all implies a Hitchens razor burdening @Tony_di_bugalu that must be resolved before we can even get his proposed downgrade to even be considered a reasonable thought process. As without doing so, a mere minor difference like Dante eating pizza in one world versus pasta in another as the only difference during a short period of time in his life would be grounds for scaling differentials of the most absurd kind. A notion I'd dare call a sin against Occam's Razor and reason overall.
 
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You do realize that QaA is from 2023, right? The most recent post they have made is from 2025 and none of that information can be found in the most recent official posts, not to mention said information is practically carried over from what 1.0 originally had.

Not to mention, one of the QaA you use are the exact same I'm using which says the game is not connected to main series.

1 & 2) All of this means they got the license from Capcom to develop the game, not that it is relevant to the main series, which they explicitly say its not part of said main series.

3) This doesn't change the fact that it has nothing to do with the main story.

This is irrelevant.

As I addressed in the OP:

Range =/= power (getting knowledge of the multiverse and beyond isn't the same as nuking the multiverse and beyond)

Creating something =/= having the same powers (just because Mundus created the BH doesn't mean he gets their powers)

Parallel universes do NOT scale to main ones (case on point, the reboot doesn't scale to DMC3 nor Trish or Mundus scale to Volume 2 Trish or Volume 2 Mundus)



You didn't bring anything relevant and I have nothing else to say, all the important information is in the OP.

I disagree

First of first it is not mainline that's why it is a parallel timeline

The imparting of BH's knowledge validates "all possible timelines" as a coherent n functional stratum of reality within the cosmology. Far from theoretical postulation but a tangible n navigable plane upon which high tiers can exert their influence upon. To support this a bit I'd like to add something from dmc3 manga where it is said that "LIKE THE ANTS IN THIS WORLD THEIR FREEDOM IS NO MORE THAN THE POWER THEY POSSESS" the freedom of a demon is linked to his power, so the limits of abilities that a demon can exercise are limited by his own power. What I want to clarify here is that the knowledge that Beastheads already shows where "power" can extend to. Through the Beastheads exhaustive mapping of this domain, we can now definitively assert that the capacities of paramount entities extend across all the timelines. a premise that in turn corroborates the ontological validity of hellfilth argument

The reboot timeline was already so much different from what happened in the main timeline but poc dante is literally post dmc3 dante that's why it scales

For creation part I hope you remember dmc have a valid UES to support the creation part. You can also take mundus universe n nightmare as examples where mundus scales to both of them
 
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Given that the parallel timeline seemingly only deviates in minor ways that don't seem to greatly impact the characters' power levels or fundamental natures, I'm leaning towards an uncertain disagree with this, especially given that the 2-A stuff would seemingly only scale to demon king level beings and perhaps even only to DMC5 characters.

The DMC2 novel is already treated this way due to the novel timeline only deviating from the main timeline by one or two events, and meanwhile the reboot is excluded due to deviating so much that it's clear that timeline has been different from the get-go. This PoC timeline seems to far more closely resemble the novel.
 
However, I don't like that it was scaled even to DMC3 Dante and Vergil, and ironically not scaled to Arkham, the character DMC3 Dante and Vergil had to team up to beat. The latest revisions have left the verse a complete mess.

It shouldn't scale to DMC3 versions, only from DMC1 onwards, and there needs to be a Helfilth page attached to the Wiki verse page, since that's where the scaling comes from.
 
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I disagree

First of first it is not mainline that's why it is a parallel timeline

The imparting of BH's knowledge validates "all possible timelines" as a coherent n functional stratum of reality within the cosmology. Far from theoretical postulation but a tangible n navigable plane upon which high tiers can exert their influence upon. To support this a bit I'd like to add something from dmc3 manga where it is said that "LIKE THE ANTS IN THIS WORLD THEIR FREEDOM IS NO MORE THAN THE POWER THEY POSSESS" the freedom of a demon is linked to his power, so the limits of abilities that a demon can exercise are limited by his own power. What I want to clarify here is that the knowledge that Beastheads already shows where "power" can extend to. Through the Beastheads exhaustive mapping of this domain, we can now definitively assert that the capacities of paramount entities extend across all the timelines. a premise that in turn corroborates the ontological validity of hellfilth argument
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The reboot timeline was already so much different from what happened in the main timeline but poc dante is literally post dmc3 dante that's why it scales

For creation part I hope you remember dmc have a valid UES to support the creation part. You can also take mundus universe n nightmare as examples where mundus scales to both of them
Btw @STILTHKING_OCL and @SuperSonicTL I just remembered @Tony_di_bugalu forgot that Mundus does not create minions automatically stronger then himself. Rather careless move on his part, no? Another reason why Mundus would have the BH's abilities automatically.
 
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However, I don't like that it was scaled even to DMC3 Dante and Vergil, and ironically not scaled to Arkham, the character DMC3 Dante and Vergil had to team up to beat. The latest revisions have left the verse a complete mess.

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It shouldn't scale to DMC3 versions, only from DMC1 onwards, and there needs to be a Helfilth page attached to the Wiki verse page, since that's where the scaling comes from.
We could always adjust Arkham to scale up as well. He'd logically be on the chopping block next for upscaling for characters we proposed scaled to Hellfilth originally. Regardless, your contribution to this discussion is most certainly appreciated.
 
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In the Play Store itself, it's said to be original material not told before in DMC


The only official DMC mobile game

Devil May Cry: Peak of Combat is a mobile game authorized and created by NebulaJoy, with the deep participation of the official CAPCOM Devil May Cry team! The game inherits Devil May Cry's strategic and flexible abilities and beautiful, unrestricted fighting style, and also offers players an immersive combos experience with superior motion capture technology that perfectly reproduces Devil May Cry's most distinctive battles, making players' experience more diverse.

To maintain the consistent idea of the Devil May Cry series, the game also restores the characters, scenes, weapons and BOSS from the Devil May Cry series as much as possible. Presenting the unprecedented gothic world with artistic scenes and visual effects of the highest quality and witnessing the new unrevealed storyline of the original series.

[Supervised by CAPCOM]
CAPCOM supervising the entire production process and guaranteeing quality.

 
Given that the parallel timeline seemingly only deviates in minor ways that don't seem to greatly impact the characters' power levels or fundamental natures, I'm leaning towards an uncertain disagree with this, especially given that the 2-A stuff would seemingly only scale to demon king level beings and perhaps even only to DMC5 characters.

The DMC2 novel is already treated this way due to the novel timeline only deviating from the main timeline by one or two events, and meanwhile the reboot is excluded due to deviating so much that it's clear that timeline has been different from the get-go. This PoC timeline seems to far more closely resemble the novel.
@Random-Helper323 perfectly summarizes my thoughts on the 2-A part of this thread.
I am leaning towards strongly disagreeing with Tony regarding this.

However, I don't like that it was scaled even to DMC3 Dante and Vergil, and ironically not scaled to Arkham, the character DMC3 Dante and Vergil had to team up to beat. The latest revisions have left the verse a complete mess.

It shouldn't scale to DMC3 versions, only from DMC1 onwards, and there needs to be a Helfilth page attached to the Wiki verse page, since that's where the scaling comes from
I agree with this. Separate pages and profiles seems fine.

We should indeed split and specify the timelines;
Mainline where majority of events happen, Volume 2 Void Mundus timeline and PoC.

Separate profiles but easy cross-scaling due to being part of the same cosmology and UES but being different versions due to existing in divergent timelines.
 
@Random-Helper323 perfectly summarizes my thoughts on the 2-A part of this thread.
I am leaning towards strongly disagreeing with Tony regarding this.


I agree with this. Separate pages and profiles seems fine.

We should indeed split and specify the timelines;
Mainline where majority of events happen, Volume 2 Void Mundus timeline and PoC.

Separate profiles but easy cross-scaling due to being part of the same cosmology and UES but being different versions due to existing in divergent timelines.
This is valid. We still haven't made an alternate universe Trish page from Volume 2 so yeah this is definitely warranted.
 
This is valid. We still haven't made an alternate universe Trish page from Volume 2 so yeah this is definitely warranted.
It would've been better if we had more manpower to assist us in reworking soo many profiles (I absolutely loathe the barebone formats). This is surely going to take some time to get it all consistent but we'll eventually reach that point some day I suppose?
 
Why would Mundus create something which threatened his rule? That would totally be out of character, right?




There does appear to be a canon status change.

The 2023 statements are:
1- Set in a parallel universe between DMC3 and DMC4.
2- There is no paradox.
3- Not 100% canon or 0% canon. Play the story to figure out how.
4- Plot is approved by Capcom, and it is an official entry in the franchise. Play the story to find out whether it is an alternate timeline, and whether it is taking place between DMC3 to DMC4.

The 2025 statements are:
1- Not connected to the main DMC series' story.
2- An alternative story inspired by the DMC universe.

With the story canonity statements being wiped out from promotional material, and the game alongside its story being overhauled, the canon status is questionable at best.

Furthermore, we were told during the canon confirmation era that there is no paradox. But the current side story's plot is about gathering characters from future timelines to battle Hellfilth, and after initial defeat Hellfilth begins collapsing the multiverse by rearranging time and space in all timelines, which will necessarily result in a bootstrap paradox (for example, recruiting characters from future timelines to prevent the collapse of their timelines, Hellfilth destroying his original timeline, etc.).



Even if we say it is canon, parallel universe Dante and Vergil from the DmC reboot have different scaling. So I don't see why a parallel universe Dante, that is not connected to the main DMC series' story, wouldn't have different scaling.

It is stated to be PoC canon that Lady solo'd Hellfilth:
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Lady's AP is currently 9-B physically, and 8-C with her rocket launcher; I hope there aren't suggestions to upscale her. If we say that Lady recieved buffs during the events of PoC, then so can other characters.
 
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Why would Mundus create something which threatened his rule? That would totally be out of character, right?


I'm pretty sure the statement there was misleading regarding Mundus actually fearing it? He was more afraid of his power laying waste to his empire rather then itself. It was still a masterpiece but also a pain to deal with. So, he restricted him which shouldn't be possible if it was beyond his power, don't you think so as well?

There does appear to be a canon status change.

The 2023 statements are:
1- Set in a parallel universe, set between DMC3 and DMC4.
2- There is no paradox.
3- Not 100% canon or 0% canon. Play the story to figure out how.
4- Plot is approved by Capcom, and it is an official entry in the franchise. Play the story to find out whether it is an alternate timeline, and whether it is taking place between DMC3 to DMC4.

The 2025 statements are:
1- Not connected to the main DMC series' story.
2- An alternative story inspired by the DMC universe.

With the story canonity statements being wiped out from promotional material, and the game alongside its story being overhauled, the canon status is questionable at best.
Deleting =/= changing. Their stance remains the same. I’d assume they just simplified it for clarity (or for other reasons). Honestly, not something worth scrutinizing too much so meh.

Furthermore, we were told during the canon confirmation era that there is no paradox. But the current side story's plot is about gathering characters from future timelines to battle Hellfilth, and after initial defeat Hellfilth begins collapsing the multiverse by rearranging time and space in all timelines, which will necessarily result in a bootstrap paradox (for example, recruiting characters from future timelines to prevent the collapse of their timelines, Hellfilth destroying his original timeline, etc.).

You misunderstood the premise of that statement. "No paradox" was used in the sense that events were unfolding in a linear progression at that point—meaning they weren’t part of the main timeline. The whole Helfilth storyline came much later.

Even if we say it is canon, parallel universe Dante and Vergil from the DmC reboot have different scaling. So I don't see why a parallel universe Dante, that is not connected to the main DMC series' story, wouldn't have different scaling.
DmC reboot is deviated beyond recognition. I don't need to speak much over it.

It is stated to be PoC canon that Lady solo'd Hellfilth:
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Lady's AP is currently 9-B physically, and 8-C with her rocket launcher; I hope there aren't suggestions to upscale her. If we say that Lady recieved buffs during the events of PoC, then so can other characters.
I doubt you would believe me even if I told you that it was taking place as a subconscious thingy so I asked the very moderator to explain it that you used screenshots of.
 
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