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[Tony_di_bugalu]

I'm on a crusade again trying to fix things and adding stuff

Starting with Argosex the Chaos here is the profile

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New abilities that other demons have in verse but aren't in the demon phys cuz they are individual stuff

Spoiler: new abilities

• Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1 & 3; Aspect 1, 3 & 4) (Sargassos are spirits that are transparent and non-existent until they find prey, Nobodies lack a Name)
• Forcefield Creation (Sanctus can create a shield shield, which was able to withstand attacks from Nero).
• Instinctive Action & Fire Manipulation (Berial's flames can act on their own to protect him from his opponents, and can act as a shield to protect him from attacks from his opponents even including Nero's bullets. Berial's flames are hot enough to melt ice with temperatures below absolute zero, as confirmed by Nero that Frost doesn't stand a chance against Berial. Goliath is able to create a tornado of hellfire that sucks you inside it
  
  
• Attack Reflection (Credo's shield is capable of repelling any type of attack.)
  
  
• Power Mimicry via Electricity Manipulation & Darkness Manipulation (Doppelganger can steal the opponent's shadow to mimic their form powers, movements, and abilities. Plasma can copy their oponents shape and abilities. Dante mentions that some demons are able to copy the powers, movements, and abilities of those they see.)
  
  
• Enhanced Senses (Smell, Hearing), Power Absorption & BFR (Fault is a demon with a heightened sense of smell and hearing capable of absorbing and sending its victims to a dimension full of demons, he can also absorb the magical power of his prey.)
  
  
• Poison Manipulation,Acid Manipulation & Resistance Negation (The Demon Monkey's poisonous blood, which was poisonous enough to dissolve his own body, Noctperan's Poison Wings, which is powerful enough to kill an elephant.)
  
  
• Life Force and Energy Absorption & Statistics Amplification (Agnus absorption ability to steal demons's life force and demonic power to and amplify his powers and regenerative capabilities)
  
  
• Possession, Biological Manipulation, Instinctive Action, Statistics Amplification, Transmutation & Mind Manipulation (Chimera seeds parasite their victims, they will sprout weapons from their bodies that will attack with no regards of the host's movements along with making them more aggressive and also stronger along with eventually they will start absorbing the nutrients of their bodies and turning then into a tree of the Demon World.
  
  
• Duplication and Fusionism via Blood Manipulation & Electricity Manipulation (The Blood-Goyle are able to fuse with statues and are also able multiply every time they receive attacks. Plasma demons are able to multiply at will.)
  
  
• Death Manipulation (Can kill beings by just being looked at.)
  
  
• Sealing (Lucia can seal the passage of both worlds.)
  
  
• Time Manipulation & Teleportation: (Geryon and Elder Geryon which are able to slow down time against his enemies, make himself faster, can create space and manipulate space and time and can teleport.)
  
  
• Precognition (Can sense the upcoming danger)
  
  
• Telekinesis (Sanctus can lift Yamato and Devil Sword Sparda with his mind)
  
  
• Omniscience (Is a god who grasps and remembers everything in history and is the god of space and time himself. Argosax's power can give you absolute wisdom)
  
  
• Creation (Can create demons and an artificial Demon World)

Agree: (4) @Random-Helper323, @Planck69 (agrees with Random), @Vietthai96 (agrees with Random), @KingTempest (agrees with Random)

Disagree: (3) @Random-Helper323 (death manipulation for Doppelganger and omniscience), @Planck69 (agrees with Random), @Vietthai96 (Agrees with Random, disagrees with NEP type 1), @KingTempest (agrees with Random)

Neutral:

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

And before anyone complains about NEP it got accepted here

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Argosex the Chaos

Heh, but yeah new profile is an improvement.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Temporal omnipresence have nothing to be suggested in the scans so it should be removed. Besides that, everything seems fine.

 

[Thehunter077]

Does temporal omnipresence are limited version?

 

[Random-Helper323]

Argosax has the forms and powers of all demons below his level

I'm okay with this for most demons, but this should have some limits.

• Sparda's Bloodline "Pre-Awakening" Abilities and Resistances

This should be okay.

• Sargassos' Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1 & 3; Aspect 1, 3 & 4) (Sargassos are spirits that are transparent and non-existent until they find prey)

This is more a state of being, so I don't know.

Edit: having discussed it, it should be fine.

• Beastheads
• Nightmare

These two were created by Mundus though. And Nightmare at least was seemingly created recently.

Edit: having discussed this, it should be fine.

• Forcefield Creation (Sanctus can create a shield shield, which was able to withstand attacks from Nero).

The Ascension ceremony is a knock-off of Sparda's power though, or more accurately Vergil's. Forcefield creation is common in the verse though, so I'd say it's fine for demon kings to have this ability.

• Instinctive Action & Fire Manipulation (Berial's flames can act on their own to protect him from his opponents, and can act as a shield to protect him from attacks from his opponents even including Nero's bullets. Berial's flames are hot enough to melt ice with temperatures below absolute zero, as confirmed by Nero that Frost doesn't stand a chance against Berial. Goliath is able to create a tornado of hellfire that sucks you inside it

This should be fine. Argosax can breath fire with the bull demon already, and he seems almost like he's made partly of fire.

• Attack Reflection (Credo's shield is capable of repelling any type of attack.)

Same issue as Sanctus. Argosax can block attacks though, so either way it's fine.

• Power Mimicry via Electricity Manipulation & Darkness Manipulation (Doppelganger can steal the opponent's shadow to mimic their form powers, movements, and abilities. Plasma can copy their oponents shape and abilities. Dante mentions that some demons are able to copy the powers, movements, and abilities of those they see.)

This should be okay. Argosax shows abilities similar to this already.

• Enhanced Senses (Smell, Hearing), Power Absorption & BFR (Fault is a demon with a heightened sense of smell and hearing capable of absorbing and sending its victims to a dimension full of demons, he can also absorb the magical power of his prey.)

This is fine.

• Poison Manipulation,Acid Manipulation & Resistance Negation (The Demon Monkey's poisonous blood, which was poisonous enough to dissolve his own body, Noctperan's Poison Wings, which is powerful enough to kill an elephant.)

Also fine.

• Life Force and Energy Absorption & Statistics Amplification (Agnus absorption ability<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:GilverTheProtoAngelo/DWSandbox#cite_note-DMC4PrimaPage46-24"><span>[</span>24<span>]</span></a> to steal demons's life force and demonic power<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...andbox#cite_note-DMC4DFStage17Pages170-172-25"><span>[</span>25<span>]</span></a> to and amplify his powers and regenerative capabilities)

Same issue as Sanctus. Other demons also have all three of these though, with Nevan having life force absorption and energy absorption, and stat amp actually being something all demons seem to have and certainly some do. So this is fine.

• Possession, Biological Manipulation, Instinctive Action, Statistics Amplification, Transmutation & Mind Manipulation (Chimera seeds parasite their victims, they will sprout weapons from their bodies that will attack with no regards of the host's movements along with making them more aggressive and also stronger along with eventually they will start absorbing the nutrients of their bodies and turning then into a tree of the Demon World<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...-DMC4DeadlyFortuneVolume1Stage7Page149-150-26"><span>[</span>26<span>]</span></a>.
• Duplication and Fusionism via Blood Manipulation & Electricity Manipulation (The Blood-Goyle are able to fuse with statues and are also able multiply every time they receive attacks. Plasma demons are able to multiply at will.)

Okay.

• Immortality (Type 5) and Time Rewind (Can rewind time before his own death. Is a transcendental power that defies the laws of life and death. can transcend time and bring about the restoration of all things.)

Via items? This shouldn't be here.

• Death Manipulation (Can kill beings by just being looked at.)

Is this already accepted? I'm not sure that's death hax.

• Sealing (Lucia can seal the passage of both worlds.)
• Time Manipulation & Teleportation: (Geryon and Elder Geryon which are able to slow down time against his enemies, make himself faster, can create space and manipulate space and time and can teleport.)
• Precognition (Can sense the upcoming danger)

This should be fine, although the precog could probably benefit from more justification.

• Telekinesis (Sanctus can lift Yamato and Devil Sword Sparda with his mind)

I'm sure there are other demons with telekinesis. This is likely fine.

• Temporal Omnipresence and Omniscience (Is a god who grasps and remembers everything in history and is the god of space and time himself. Argosax's power can give you absolute wisdom)

I don't know.

• Creation (Can create demons and an artificial Demon World)

Creation is fine given it seems to be common for demon king level demons. Abigail had it as well.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Interesting thread.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I'm okay with this for most demons, but this should have some limits.

King of the Underworld narratively should be the peak of everything within the verse so I don't so why it can't replicate inferior abilities to itself. The statement also makes it clear that he has all forms and abilities of Demons.

This is more a state of being, so I don't know.

He was described to possess forms of all Demons though. Also Sargassos are low tier Demons, they aren't anything special.

These two were created by Mundus though. And Nightmare at least was seemingly created recently.

Those two were made before Argosax' debut in the series. They are Demons as well.

Via items?

Argosax is described to be perfect and all-encompassing entity so I don't see why it shouldn't be included when narrative makes it abundantly clear.

Is this already accepted? I'm not sure that's death hax.

I had the same thought too but it would be weird to claim that someone would die by looking at him since Demons are naturally born to kill humans and no other Demon had a description like this so it most likely alludes to a specific ability Shadow has.

 

[Mister6ame6]

Looks fine but i think Argosax should have Sparda Physiology untill before DMC1 events since Dante Pre DSS and Nelo Angelo are still weaker them Mundus and Argosax by a good margin (The game inplies M17 is weaker them even Pluto's pet imo) so Argosax should scale to that level too imo

 

[3Pencil]

Agree and this

Temporal omnipresence have nothing to be suggested in the scans so it should be removed. Besides that, everything seems fine.

 

[Random-Helper323]

King of the Underworld narratively should be the peak of everything within the verse so I don't so why it can't replicate inferior abilities to itself. The statement also makes it clear that he has all forms and abilities of Demons.

True. Mundus demonstrated some similar things.

He was described to possess forms of all Demons though. Also Sargassos are low tier Demons, they aren't anything special.

I suppose. Void Mundus already went there, so it's not outlandish.

Those two were made before Argosax' debut in the series. They are Demons as well.

Argosax does have the forms of Mundus generals, although Nightmare is notably absent. Mundus created Nightmare though, so it's not even that out of left field for a demon king to have that many abilities. I suppose it could be okay.

Argosax is described to be perfect and all-encompassing entity so I don't see why it shouldn't be included when narrative makes it abundantly clear.

Given Void Mundus is all the demon world itself, Argosax being able to be all the demon types is hardly outlandish. Gold orbs are items rather than demons though, so I'm not sure on that one.

I had the same thought too but it would be weird to claim that someone would die by looking at him since Demons are naturally born to kill humans and no other Demon had a description like this so it most likely alludes to a specific ability Shadow has.

The description says that he brings death to all who see him. I'm just not sure that's death hax and not just him killing them. Beastheads already has death hax though, and very obviously so, so I don't know.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

The description says that he brings death to all who see him. I'm just not sure that's death hax and not just him killing them. Beastheads already has death hax though, and very obviously so, so I don't know.

You can disagree with that then.

 

[Random-Helper323]

You can disagree with that then.

So glad I have your permission lol.

Kidding, I'm unsure but leaning towards disagreeing. Open to being convinced given similar hax definitely exists in the verse though.

 

[KLOL506]

@Planck69 Help us out with the NEP aspects and shizz

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I'm okay with this for most demons, but this should have some limits.

Yeah, it's limited to lower kind of demons than Argosax.

Obviously ONLY Argosax will get all of this since he is the ONLY demon that has such statements.

This is more a state of being, so I don't know.

The scan says Argosax has the forms of all demons so it should count.

Via items?

Oops, must have missed it when I was editing stuff.

Nah, items are their own thing and shouldn't be here (unless demonic energy is involved but that goes to general physiology)

Is this already accepted? I'm not sure that's death hax.

Nope, not accepted.

Some guys in the discord server told me this wasn't literal so I'm fine removing it.

This should be fine, although the precog could probably benefit from more justification.

I mean, yeah it's just a minor form of precog after all

I'm sure there are other demons with telekinesis.

A lot of random abilities are missing from the demon physiology from what I know

@Planck69 Help us out with the NEP aspects and shizz

Check the first comment

And before anyone complains about NEP it got accepted here

 

[Ang4I00]

And before anyone complains about NEP it got accepted here

But not Type 3 tho, so you should remove that

Everything else looks fine except omnipresence stuff, I don't see anything suggesting that, its just omniscience

 

[HelloThere1089]

Argosex

It's Agrosex.

Agree

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

But not Type 3 tho, so you should remove that

I was checking the thread and staff agreed to it tho

 

[Netoriman]

Regarding, Immortality Type 5 & Time Rewind, I presume is for the Yellow Orb, though you included scans for it mixed with the Gold Orb which have different abilities.
Would you consider, Immortality Type 4 & Resurrection for Gold Orbs as it's DMC5 description states it revives you.

And if we are doing Demonic items/Orbs for Argosax, would you consider the below?

Energy Restoration for Blue/White Orbs & Devil Star
Healing for Green Orbs & Vital Star
Healing, Energy Restoration & Resurrection (DMC5 description & death screen) for Red Orbs
Purification for Holy Star
Also would items like Untouchable, Smell of Death & Holy Water etc count? Or is that too specific to Demon Hunter arsenal?

@Tony_di_bugalu
Only just saw your comment addressing items right now, ignore what I said..

 

[SuperSonicTL]

• Law Manipulation (The Demon World has different laws from the Human World<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Sandbox#cite_note-DMC5DocumentsTheQliphoth-17"><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></a>),

I don't know which genius thought this is law manipulation... Bud this is just a world operating on different system hence it should be removed.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Temporal omnipresence
DMC 4 enemies powers

what else?

 

[Random-Helper323]

What's going on with this?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I'm on a crusade again trying to fix things and adding stuff

Starting with Argosex the Chaos here is the profile

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Please, please, PLEASE, read carefully the "demons powers and abilities" section since there are a lot of things that haven't been accepted or used in other CRTs so they are new and if something there doesn't align with the standards I can delete it.

btw you're technically suppose to list out every new thing in the CRT now

 

[Random-Helper323]

btw you're technically suppose to list out every new thing in the CRT now

I did that in my above post.

Tony, if you could add it in a spoiler in the OP that'd be good. Or I can do it for you, if you'd prefer. I won't do the latter option unless you expressly give the okay though.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I was busy yesterday, I'll do it rn

done: also I kept the DMC 4 enemy bosses powers since they attain it because of the ascension ceremony which is all about implanting demonic power into humans so it should scale to Argosax who has the forms and powers of all demons

 

[Apotheosis69]

Could demons interact with Sargassos's Nonexistence?

That can give NPI to them or Sparda Physiology

 

[Thehunter077]

Could demons interact with Sargassos's Nonexistence?

That can give NPI to them or Sparda Physiology

Like in general? Yeah, Demons do fight each other in order to survive and they have their own group

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Could demons interact with Sargassos's Nonexistence?

That can give NPI to them or Sparda Physiology

Technically yeah, they shouldn't be special because of it and its even said somewhere some fodder eats all kind of demons and adapted to be in all kinds of regions of the demon world

 

[Apotheosis69]

Technically yeah, they shouldn't be special because of it and its even said somewhere some fodder eats all kind of demons and adapted to be in all kinds of regions of the demon world

Well, more to add for Demon Physiology Revisions..

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

it will be a lot but that shall come later

I need to finish this, do the mundus and void mundus thing then move on to either Lucia or Gilver and I also want to see what I can find for Bolverk.

The last thing will be fixing Dante's profile since it mixes Volume 1 with the DMC3 manga.

Unless someone else makes the thread of course since we need to add some other abilities demons have, change the regen to Mid/High Godly and get the speed back

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

bump

 

[Random-Helper323]

You should probably list agree and disagree, since you have one agreement to most of it so far.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

You should probably list agree and disagree, since you have one agreement to most of it so far.

done

 

[Random-Helper323]

I disagree with death manipulation for Doppelganger (the Beastheads has it though, so I don't know why you don't use that) and omniscience. The rest I agree with.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

another thread for the mines

bump

 

[Random-Helper323]

@Planck69 @Elizhaa

@KingTempest @UchihaSlayer96 @Emirp sumitpo @Dalesean027 @Theglassman12

What do you think?

 

[Planck69]

For the Nonexistent Physiology, I am quite hesitant to grant state of being as part of ensemble "has all powers" packages unless they demonstrate that they can have it.

I share the same opinion as Random-Helper323 on everything else though.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

For the Nonexistent Physiology, I am quite hesitant to grant state of being as part of ensemble "has all powers" packages unless they demonstrate that they can have it.

I share the same opinion as Random-Helper323 on everything else though.

The quote actually is "Possessing all demonic forms and abilities." and in game he is shown as an amalgamation of demons.

Technically it should count for all forms or state of beings of lower demons.

 

[Planck69]

The quote actually is "Possessing all demonic forms and abilities." and in game he is shown as an amalgamation of demons.

Technically it should count for all forms or state of beings of lower demons.

So this is a form he can take on? Otherwise, this just seems like it hinges on a technicality rather than something concrete.